Right Speech vs. Politically Correct Speech

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  1. Nick_A

    Nick_A Interfaith Forums

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    A transcendent board has to begin with the idea that transcendence as a conscious continuance of human evolution exists. Otherwise why bother. Its existence is argued on secular boards. If we are connected to higher consciousness that seeks to help in awakening mankind, it exists in the sacred traditions since conscious awareness does not arise from the earth but descends from above. It isn't a matter of arguing about which ones since as we are we cannot know, but just to admit that it does exist. if not, then our position is hopeless without help from above.

    So rather than the usual secular approach of arguing what is authentic, the transcendent approach asserts it exists but our chicken status doesn't allow us to differentiate. So rather then arguing about it the question becomes how to awaken sufficiently to develop any sort of objective discrimination.

    Open mindedness is a quality that isn't conditioned. Closed minded people can be very open minded and receptive in their imagination. This is meaningless. If we are conditioned creatures of reaction, open mindedness truly begins when one is less conditioned so the process of becoming open minded begins when we can admit to how much are conditioning creates our mindset.

    What do you mean by "rightful context?" Is this a secular conditioned context or a transcendent context that exists in us as a human potential?
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Nick, the mask also serves as a filter of which experiences we become conscious of, and which ones we ignore.

    I disagree. We are much more than what we are only consciously aware of.
    Speak for yourself, and not for the rest of us, please.
    Your definition of what constitutes "right speech" is only another form of political correctness. Sarcasm and satire certainly have their places within the context of "right speech." Deleting them from the realm of "right speech" is analogous to the phenomenon of the Newspeak Dictionary containing fewer and fewer words with each new edition. [sarcasm] Good job, Big Brother. :p [/sarcasm]
     
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    Why does a lemming do what a lemming does? And is that right...or just politically correct?
     
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    Nick, the mask also serves as a filter of which experiences we become conscious of, and which ones we ignore.

    Yes and this filter creates the imagination that keeps humanity in the barnyard as chickens

    I disagree. We are much more than what we are only consciously aware of.

    For those that have made the conscious effort to impartially "Know Thyself" it is clear that we are what we do. This means that objectively, all we to is transform substances through our life processes in the same way the rest of organic life on earth does.

    Speak for yourself, and not for the rest of us, please.

    This is why transcendent Interfaith cannot be mixed with secular Interfaith. It is too insulting.

    Your definition of what constitutes "right speech" is only another form of political correctness. Sarcasm and satire certainly have their places within the context of "right speech." Deleting them the realm of "right speech" is analogous to the phenomenon of the Newspeak Dictionary containing fewer and fewer words with each new edition. [sarcasm] Good job, Big Brother. :p [/sarcasm]

    Right Speech to flatter a secular gathering can be politically correct since it is right to flatter the image in Caesar's domain. However for those willing to risk the psychological experience of real hell at the expense of an imaginary paradise in pursuit of the "pearl of great price," then the brutal sincerity of right speech is essential to share so that we can expose what we are so as to let it go and become our potential.
     
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    ROFLMAO!

    To the secularists or to the 'transcendentalists?'

    Oh, well now you say sarcasm can be part of 'right speech?'
    {Is that because you have experienced it, as opposed to just adhering to (pun referencing the earlier remark about glue intended) what you have been told?}
     
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    Luv ya, Seattlegal! Have some nice dark chocolate...num num numm, good stuff. ;)
     
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    It just means that the lemming like the Lily has an advantage over man. The lemming like the lily exists in a manner where its external reactions are an expression of its evolved being.



    The subtle point being made here is that instead of being expressions of what we ARE or as actualized human potential, humanity has become the expression of what Plato calls a "beast."

    The Lemming is not politically correct but rather its "isness is reflected in its actions. For humanity in this odd state of continuing evolution, it is neither one thing or the other so has brecome like an eagle acting like a chicken.

    All of transcendent Interfaith is involved with trying to actualize what Socrates offers us to ponder regardless of what a person calls themselves. How can the outer man and inner man become as One? This question is irrelevant for secularism that assumes we already are as one.
     
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    But to further the glorified imagination normal for secular dominance, I suggest good scotch as the way to go.
     
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    Yum! [​IMG]
    Chocolate goes better with PMS than liquor does. ;)
     
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    I see.

    So it is an act of transcendent evolution to commit suicide by falling onto rocks a hundred feet below?

    Dunno, after the fact I think it is more like "was"-ness is reflected in its actions. ;)

    Ah! The ongoing discussion over the appropriateness of pulling a scientific term into a philosophical discussion in an effort to impart some sense of validity, continues...

    I don't know. From where I sit, there seems to be plenty of assumption all around... :D
     
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    So it is an act of transcendent evolution to commit suicide by falling onto rocks a hundred feet below?

    No. Transcendent is conscious evolution which begins when mechanical evolution stops.. The lemming is part of a living machine we call organic life on earth. As you know in this arrangement everything eats everything else and it is continued through reproduction. It functions for the purpose of transforming substances. There is no conscious self awarness in this arrangement. Everything thing just manifests in accordance with universal laws and on earth we call it "nature's way."

    You deny from a secular perspective which is OK. But from the vertical transcendent perspective that necessitates the line of being as described before, both evolution and involution exist including the transition between mechanical and conscious evolution.

    Secularism is unconcerned with inner empiricism. Yet people concerned with human conscious potential could have an interesting discussion on it if Right Speech upheld maeningful communication.

    http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Abstracts/Needleman_93.html



    Prof Needleman is referring to what we are in relation to human potential from the perspective of human "being." This verticality is uselessm to mthe secular mindset concerned only with what we do defined and upheld by selective morality and political correctness.




    Quite true. So for the person with a growing concern for human meaning and purpose the question becomes how to verify. Plato said to impartially "Know Thyself." .Secularism advises to imagine yourself. You must choose your way.

    Can you begin to see that questioning the validity of the vertical direction that is the basis of transcendent Interfaith from the linear direction of secular interfaith cannot lead to anything unless a certain priority on Right speech served to support qualitative communication. otherwise you just get the usual.
     
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    The drive for dominion is not limited to the secular. The drive for dominion typically transcends such artificially imposed boundaries.

    I would guess the preferred psychological anesthetic of those seeking transcendent dominance would most likely be LSD, "magic" mushrooms, peyote or some related psychoactive substance. And hide that tendency by calling such substance "entheogenic." But that is just a guess. :cool: :p
     
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    From the sound of it, putting an eagle mask on a chicken accomplishes the same thing...
     
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    Yes this happens all the time and especially in matters of religion. Chickens are walking around with eagle masks and people believe them to be so. In modern times we call them "experts."
     
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    It is curious that you would use the imagination normal and proper for the secular world including its escapism and associate it with the transcendent perspective that by definition is conscious and free of imagination that for us takes the place of consciousness.
     
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    I don't know if I would neccesarily describe this site as "secular"...?

    No, I didn't say style was more important than substance. Personally I find this can be a site where people do attempt to reveal sincere substance.

    s.
     
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    Considering the manner in which you set yourself up in opposition, what seems even more curious to me is that you would be surprised...
     
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    That's so PC and non transcendent.

    Chris
     
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    Indeed. In modern times they also call themselves "prophets."
     
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    Oh Snoopy!...please be sure to let me know if my sincere substance is showing, I'll cover it with my Freudian slop. :eek: :eek:
     

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