"The empty mind is the devils workshop"

[Lunitik]

Jesus is special because the Holy Spirit is in him, animating his every action. He himself says nothing he has done is his own, but rather merely the father acting through him. This should be recognized by all Christians, but instead the emphasis is on the man. Christ means anointed, by what? It is by the Holy Spirit, else Jesus is just another Hebrew. This is why religions are so disparate, we value the man over his truth. We then argue about the wordings and techniques of each man, the particular expression of each man, not realizing they convey the same thing.

The Holy Spirit is the same as Brahman and Dharmakaya and is represented in every religion in one way or another. Few penetrate this, however, always they cling to a particular set of definitions and miss the point. Now, those that have grown in one direction never look for guidance from another, they remain isolated to their particular path. How much greater would religion be today if all had come together and analyzed exactly what is the truth each convey? There are attempts to bring dialog, but it is always on the surface, always about respect but never is it about really delving into each truth. Each path has its particular devices to reach the peak, but if you are born Christian you are not allowed to use the devices of Buddhists or Hindu's, it is arrogance.

Man has to see that existence is one and that there is only one true being. What you call it is irrelevant, but we need to help all reach that truth. Whatsoever helps the individual is good, and all should assist where possible in their endeavor. Instead we are too worried about the irrelevant to strive together for global awakening. It has become a competition, who has the most numbers? If every person in the world believed a lie, it does not make it so, we must strive for the truth without such arrogance. Even the so-called humble people are arrogant in this, they all believe their way is the highest, they do not see that this very belief makes them the lowest. This comes to a peak when wars are waged on religious ideals, when war comes on the foundation of love, how can this tree be considered good? Jesus himself says to judge the tree by its fruits, who has killed more than his own branch? This is why I am hostile to the Christians, but I love Jesus deeply, he has spoken many potent words.

There needs to be an end to the distinction between esoteric and exoteric, religion needs to be founded on truth, there should be no other criteria than direct experience. Religion should be centered around how to know truth, not on what you should believe. Belief becomes irrelevant when truth is known directly, it is not a blessing to have not seen - it simply means you are blind.

 

[luecy7]

You always pick what you want to make the other look bad in your eyes, I have said that all arises in love - because that is the quality of the emptiness - but somehow you have judged this as evil. Evil only arises through mind, satan is the adversary, the mind is that.

The quality of your emptiness is as loving as your projection onto others. As you speak of your mind, from the mind that you have built by your actions and the emptiness of actions, I agree.

When God says all is good, he means it is perfectly balanced, and it still is.

Is it good for God to need you as a translator?

 

[Lunitik]

The quality of your emptiness is as loving as your projection onto others. As you speak of your mind, from the mind that you have built by your actions and the emptiness of actions, I agree.

I wish I could convey the ignorance in this statement to you, but I feel it would fall of deaf ears. I will only ask what you consider your highly deeds? I have seen none, and since I choose to believe you aren't lying and really do things for others, I will point out that we have been around each other equally long. I might ask you consider what I was doing while away from your work though, whether that time was enough to meet people and even help them variously. I will also raise the fact that you asked me to go there, I have given you 2-3 days of my life on a whim yet you utter this nonsense? I have shared myself in that, you merely flaunted your money, which is more valuable?

Is it good for God to need you as a translator?

He has clearly deemed it so since it has happened.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

I wish I could convey the ignorance in this statement to you, but I feel . . .

Oh no Lunitik, please feel welcomed to say whatever you deem worth hearing.

It is a token of affection that will be so consoling.

Please speak your mind without hesistation.

If you do, clearly it has been deemed when it happens.

maybe we need to get in touch with our own inner Lunitik.

Let us all rally to Lunitik moon shadow and ask for our alloted cup of nectar.

thank you, in advance, from the bottom of my sole,
Bhaktajan

 

[Lunitik]

Oh no Lunitik, please feel welcomed to say whatever you deem worth hearing.

It is a token of affection that will be so consoling.

Please speak your mind without hesistation.

If you do, clearly it has been deemed when it happens.

maybe we need to get in touch with our own inner Lunitik.

Let us all rally to Lunitik moon shadow and ask for our alloted cup of nectar.

thank you, in advance, from the bottom of my sole,
Bhaktajan

Science itself says matter is utterly empty, which Buddha agrees with, for one... also, who is the void?

 

[Thomas]

Hi Lunitik —

All thinking is founded in duality ...

But the knowledge of duality enables one to escape it. If that were not true, then there's no way out.

Traditional metaphysics, Apophatic or Negative Theology in the Christian Tradition, the teachings of all the Great Traditions, are not bounded by this outlook. In your criticism of them, it's evident you really don't understand them.

I have no dogma at all, though

Of course you do. As Chersterton said, 'there's two kinds of people in the world, those who have a creed, and those who don't know they have a creed.'

Your truth must be right because ... it's your truth ... it rests on nothing other than subjective experience, and yet you insist on your own infallibility.

You are objectifying me, you are deciding what my attributes are, you have erred for I am attributeless.

Oh, I'm sorry ... I thought I was dealing with a human being. It appears I'm not.

God bless,

Thomas

 

[Vajradhara]

Science itself says matter is utterly empty, which Buddha agrees with, for one... also, who is the void?

no it doesn't and neither did the Buddha for that matter, well, not in the way that you are using that term here.

the emptiness that the Buddhas speak of is that all objects, humans too, are composite and not self sufficient entities thus they are empty of anything which makes the distinctively themselves, no "is-ness"; in short everything is a mass of aggregates.

as for science, i have no idea what you man mean. if you are referring to the idea that atoms are mostly empty space, that spot on but that does not mean that atoms are empty.

metta,

~v

 

[luecy7]

I wish I could convey the ignorance in this statement to you, but I feel it would fall of deaf ears. I will only ask what you consider your highly deeds? I have seen none, and since I choose to believe you aren't lying and really do things for others, I will point out that we have been around each other equally long. I might ask you consider what I was doing while away from your work though, whether that time was enough to meet people and even help them variously. I will also raise the fact that you asked me to go there, I have given you 2-3 days of my life on a whim yet you utter this nonsense? I have shared myself in that, you merely flaunted your money, which is more valuable?

He has clearly deemed it so since it has happened.

It is great to hear you considering your responsibility for your actions, or the absence (emptiness) of your actions, and my responsibility for my actions, or the absence (emptiness) of my actions.

 

[Lunitik]

But the knowledge of duality enables one to escape it. If that were not true, then there's no way out.

Certainly, and I said this earlier - that existence is a hint to transcend, something you rejected at that time. Again, however, it is not an escape, it is a transcendence. There is an acceptance of duality because it serves a purpose, and yet you are not part of it, you permit both poles and yet stand aloof, unaffected and untouched by either. Ordinarily, for instance, a person becomes sad and wants to escape sadness, wishing instead to be happy. The suffering isn't in the sadness, it is in the wish to be instead happy. Same is true in happiness, a person will cling and strangle the happiness, thus killing it exactly because he wants it to stay. Knowing, you accept both, simply watching as they come and go, enjoying both because life itself is such an impossibility, what to say of the experiences? Going into sadness more deeply, you come to realize at its depths is happiness, and in the depths of happiness you realize sadness is there as well, why become entangled in the expressions? Now they are simply welcomed guests.

Traditional metaphysics, Apophatic or Negative Theology in the Christian Tradition, the teachings of all the Great Traditions, are not bounded by this outlook. In your criticism of them, it's evident you really don't understand them.

My criticism is founded in understanding these things too well, in fact, and looking at the fanaticism that is caused by bringing mind so much into spiritual affairs shows this quite clearly. I hold that the only purpose of religion is to dissolve the soul back into God, that in this, all is known to you, and that nothing need be studied or learned before - in fact not even this much needs be known, simply a device should be offered to bring it about. Mind is the foundation of ego, now you will say "I know this" when you really have no idea, you have simply accepted something someone told you after having applied your own misunderstanding. It is fine in the material world to accept someone elses conclusions and build on them, but very dangerous in the spiritual for the simple reason it makes the work of a master that much more difficult.

Of course you do. As Chersterton said, 'there's two kinds of people in the world, those who have a creed, and those who don't know they have a creed.'

If you consider "love is all there is" a creed then I accept your statement.

Your truth must be right because ... it's your truth ... it rests on nothing other than subjective experience, and yet you insist on your own infallibility.

It was not subjective at all, it was a transcending of object and subject - all without and within was merged in the ecstasy of love. I was everything, and yet nothing, it was strange but no matter where I looked I was not there, and yet I was clearly not absent.

Oh, I'm sorry ... I thought I was dealing with a human being. It appears I'm not.

It depends what you mean by human being, but I do not call you a house dweller, it would be quite rude. I reside in this body, but I am consciousness itself, there are no thoughts ordinarily unless I wish to express something outwardly, thus 'human being' is still wrong, because 'man' means mind. What to say of that? It is most correct to say I am God, and yet you will take it to mean this body is God, just as you think Jesus was God incarnate. I am at a loss of what to refer to myself as, I simply am, and yet language calls me to instantly regret the utterance because there is no "I" here.

 

[Lunitik]

no it doesn't and neither did the Buddha for that matter, well, not in the way that you are using that term here.

the emptiness that the Buddhas speak of is that all objects, humans too, are composite and not self sufficient entities thus they are empty of anything which makes the distinctively themselves, no "is-ness"; in short everything is a mass of aggregates.

as for science, i have no idea what you man mean. if you are referring to the idea that atoms are mostly empty space, that spot on but that does not mean that atoms are empty.

metta,

~v

I assume by aggregates you mean skandhas, but then what is dharma if not the transcendance of skandhas, the realization that they are not so? This is what he intended by emptiness, that all is simply an arising in the mind and to awaken is to realize who's mind it is, to enter Dharmakaya, the truth body. Of course, he also speaks of the error of then holding too tightly to the dharma, that indeed this too must be dropped, that no-dharma must also be realized. What does Science have to do with this? Well, it is making many interesting observations to confirm Buddhas statements. While it says that atoms are 99.99999999999% empty, it also shows that particles are not material, one scientist said that everything at this level are more like thoughts than things. This is exactly a statement of Buddha, that all arises in the mind, and indeed again there is an experiment to show that particles are affected by merely expecting them to function a certain way.

 

[Lunitik]

It is great to hear you considering your responsibility for your actions, or the absence (emptiness) of your actions, and my responsibility for my actions, or the absence (emptiness) of my actions.

You have misunderstood by meaning of empty, it is not intended as an absence of something, but rather something which is pure. Consider a room with no furniture, we will say it is empty because there is nothing in it, and yet we cannot call the room absent - it is there.

Again, however, you push your insistence that man has ever been the doer, it has never been so. Jesus says, after the Holy Spirit descended on him, later "do not think I have done these things, but rather it is the father acting through me". He also admonishes us to drop our will and do the will of the father. Do you separate these things? From experience, I cannot, I have experienced divine animation and thus know without a doubt I cannot be the doer.

Now I simply sit back and watch life unfold, enjoying it as you would a movie. Whatsoever is in the script manifests on the screen, I cannot choose because I did not direct the movie. It does not mean there is inaction, it means the action is not mine. The director is God, but you have not understood the ramifications of calling him omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient - it is exactly because he is all there is, all is through him.

This is why I say it is nonsense to insist God talks to you, it is a delusion necessary because you remain dual. Advaita's explain this in their notion of Ishwara, this is the name of Brahman when presented to man, but they say it is again maya, an illusion. It is the ultimate reality presenting itself to human conception, nothing more, yet it is your true self talking to your false self in truth.

 

[Vajradhara]

I assume by aggregates you mean skandhas, but then what is dharma if not the transcendance of skandhas, the realization that they are not so?

the term Dharma is a Sanskrit term and thus has various contextual meanings. in some cases it means something akin to 'truth' in others it refers to a sort of 'natural fact' i.e. that things fall towards the earth when you drop them.

the aggregates are so there is nothing other than aggregates. the Buddhist exposition of emptiness is that human conception tends to impart permanence and a quality of is-ness to phenomena and noumena which are not permanent and have no quality of is-ness.

This is what he intended by emptiness, that all is simply an arising in the mind and to awaken is to realize who's mind it is, to enter Dharmakaya, the truth body. Of course, he also speaks of the error of then holding too tightly to the dharma, that indeed this too must be dropped, that no-dharma must also be realized.

indeed, when one has Crossed to the Other Shore one no longer needs the raft and dragging it along further impedes a beings progress. however, the view which you are attributing to the Buddha in this case is that which the Sautantrika philosophical school adheres to. this is not a philosophical position which i find tenable hence my adherent to the Madhyamika school. it may be rather pointless to speculate on which view the Buddha upheld as all of the philosophical schools arose after his Paranibbana.

What does Science have to do with this? Well, it is making many interesting observations to confirm Buddhas statements. While it says that atoms are 99.99999999999% empty, it also shows that particles are not material, one scientist said that everything at this level are more like thoughts than things.

i'd be pleased to read that for myself if you could link me to it.

This is exactly a statement of Buddha, that all arises in the mind, and indeed again there is an experiment to show that particles are affected by merely expecting them to function a certain way.

which experiment? i'd be happy to read about that as well.

metta,

~v

 

[Lunitik]

i'd be pleased to read that for myself if you could link me to it.

Since it isn't my material, I will just link you to a video talking about both:

Where Science and Buddhism Meet PART 1 - YouTube

I think the affects of particles when watched and unwatched is in part 2 though, which is linked below the video.

 

[luecy7]

You have misunderstood by meaning of empty, it is not intended as an absence of something, but rather something which is pure. Consider a room with no furniture, we will say it is empty because there is nothing in it, and yet we cannot call the room absent - it is there.

You do such a good job of describing how to be evil. Or as you express it, an empty shell.

Again, however, you push your insistence that man has ever been the doer, it has never been so. Jesus says, after the Holy Spirit descended on him, later "do not think I have done these things, but rather it is the father acting through me". He also admonishes us to drop our will and do the will of the father. Do you separate these things? From experience, I cannot, I have experienced divine animation and thus know without a doubt I cannot be the doer.

I guess would explain why you have called yourself God.

Now I simply sit back and watch life unfold, enjoying it as you would a movie.

Yes, your recipe for evil. Whereas per your testimony of an animation, God does not simply sit back and watch life unfold, enjoying it as you would a movie.

Whatsoever is in the script manifests on the screen, I cannot choose because I did not direct the movie. It does not mean there is inaction, it means the action is not mine. The director is God, but you have not understood the ramifications of calling him omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient - it is exactly because he is all there is, all is through him.

If God is a director being good, then who are you as you direct nothing, denying your own actions? An actor or a musician submits and obeys a director, but you prefer to think of yourself as possessed. Possessed, yet allegedly empty as an empty room.

This is why I say it is nonsense to insist God talks to you, it is a delusion necessary because you remain dual.

Keep in mind that it is you claiming here that God directs and animates you, while you simply watch and listen.

 

[seattlegal]

This is exactly a statement of Buddha, that all arises in the mind, and indeed again there is an experiment to show that particles are affected by merely expecting them to function a certain way.

which experiment? i'd be happy to read about that as well.

metta,

~v

Double-slit experiment

 

[Lunitik]

You do such a good job of describing how to be evil. Or as you express it, an empty shell.

Do you understand that evil is a delusion? It is your conception of certain things that makes them evil for you, it is because you have divided reality and thus made it impossible for you to understand oneness. Even evil is necessary to give contrast to goodness, the resulting balance is beautiful to God, and managing this balance while creating unique story lines constantly is what excites God.

I guess would explain why you have called yourself God.

I say I am God because it is a statement of truth, as you are also God - otherwise is not possible, God is the only true being.

Yes, your recipe for evil. Whereas per your testimony of an animation, God does not simply sit back and watch life unfold, enjoying it as you would a movie.

God is life itself.

If God is a director being good, then who are you as you direct nothing, denying your own actions? An actor or a musician submits and obeys a director, but you prefer to think of yourself as possessed. Possessed, yet allegedly empty as an empty room.

We are all characters God is playing in the movie.

Keep in mind that it is you claiming here that God directs and animates you, while you simply watch and listen.

As Jesus says the same: "Do not think it is me who does these things, but it is the father acting through me" as an example. It doesn't matter whether you can understand this, you have not experienced it obviously, but it is simply the case. In fact, even this moment, you are not the one doing anything, you are simply identified with the actions you are watching your body perform.

I might suggest you read this.

 

[Etu Malku]

Do you understand that evil is a delusion? It is your conception of certain things that makes them evil for you, it is because you have divided reality and thus made it impossible for you to understand oneness. Even evil is necessary to give contrast to goodness, the resulting balance is beautiful to God, and managing this balance while creating unique story lines constantly is what excites God.

I wouldn't say a delusion, but rather a subjectivity unique to each individual. While we are 'here' in the physical (and you are like it or not) there will always be polar extremes of things, this is duality, not pairs of opposites.

I say I am God because it is a statement of truth, as you are also God - otherwise is not possible, God is the only true being.

Truth is also subjective, what is truth to you may be false to me, and I don't believe for a moment that you are a god here on the physical plane. Sure, we may have this monadic higher-self that we are attaining towards, but 'here' we are not gods yet.

God is life itself.

What is 'life' . . . define this for me.

We are all characters God is playing in the movie.

God is Martin Lawrence?

As Jesus says the same: "Do not think it is me who does these things, but it is the father acting through me" as an example. It doesn't matter whether you can understand this, you have not experienced it obviously, but it is simply the case. In fact, even this moment, you are not the one doing anything, you are simply identified with the actions you are watching your body perform.

Not buying it, there is no grand poo bar / god manipulating me, what utter delusional nonsense!

 

[Lunitik]

I wouldn't say a delusion, but rather a subjectivity unique to each individual. While we are 'here' in the physical (and you are like it or not) there will always be polar extremes of things, this is duality, not pairs of opposites.

Your insistence that it is a physical world, that we are not on a spiritual plane, ensures you do not transcend. Yes, there is a physical plane, there is also a mental plane, an emotional plane, and then higher still there is intuition and higher still the spiritual. You have to allow yourself to experience it all in every moment. Currently, you are most identified with the physical and probably the mental, sometimes you will become identified with the emotional, but how much do you pay attention to the intuition? How much to the spiritual? In truth, each of these is shared among the entire existence, now you can experience the oneness of each plane, sense it in others and yourself. Now duality is impossible, you are that, nothing is objective, it is all subjective. It is about your way of looking at this place, do you insist this form is all you are, or are you something else? Everything you encounter inwardly or outwardly are phenomenon, who is the seer? Can you remain as this seer only?

Truth is also subjective, what is truth to you may be false to me, and I don't believe for a moment that you are a god here on the physical plane. Sure, we may have this monadic higher-self that we are attaining towards, but 'here' we are not gods yet.

This belief that I am not is also your refusal to accept that you are. What do you suppose the higher self is exactly? It seems to be something you think is restricted like your current mind. The higher self is God by another name, you are that, you only have to remember and experience.

What is 'life' . . . define this for me.

It is love, it is consciousness, it is God, it is the one.

I can only say it in abstract ways, what it is exactly must be experienced to be known. Words are only meaningful because you can point and say "this is what I mean", but these concepts of truth can not be pointed at, if they could be pointed at everyone would live in divine love, no one would allow themselves to be distinct if they knew there was a choice and understood the delight and ecstasy inherent in this state.

You have allowed yourself to believe you are something limited, it seems logical, everyone else agrees, it must be so. This the ultimate 'if everyone jumped off a cliff, would you follow them?" So few experience this state, so much so that people have decided it is utterly false and these people proclaiming it are simply delusional and mentally unstable. In fact, they are the most stable minds on earth, just watch the average mind and you see arguments within it, you see indecisiveness, worry, so much confusion. Mind is a tool, but we go on identifying with instead of using it and so we create our own unhappiness.

God is Martin Lawrence?

You will note I have never said God is me, that is a false statement. I am God is true, but God is everything, it is all there is. When you say "God is Martin Lawrence" you mean that particular form, that particular expression. That is utterly false, all is the expression of God, not only this person. To say God is this, you limit him to whatsoever this is. God is unlimited, the sum total of everything, I am one expression of that which happens to have realized what is the case.

Not buying it, there is no grand poo bar / god manipulating me, what utter delusional nonsense!

Is your limited life so much grander? This insistence, this belief system of who you are, what has it done for you? You do not wish to understand the nature of this place, of who you really are, why you are really here? Every person has these questions flowing through them, they can console themselves only for so long and then they realize they have simply been fooling themselves. Maybe you are not there yet, maybe you still think being distinct, subject to the whims of those around you, is a pleasurable thing. In reality, you do not really have a point of comparison though, you have not known divine love, you have not know the bliss of oneness, of dissolving into truth. Without that comparison point, you will think what you know as reality is good enough, I would rather die than go back to it.

You do not have a choice about what is the case, your only free will is whether you choose to acknowledge truth, but your acknowledgment does not change that truth. You can either understand or you can go on with your illusion, personally I have chosen truth no matter the ramifications. Ego must die for truth to live in you, this is the central point: what you want as ego is bound to be false in truth because ego itself is false. What you classify as higher and lower self is basically false, more correct is to say the true and false self. The true self is eternal bliss, the false self is subject to suffering, we say this is part of the human condition, it is true in a way, but it needn't be the case, we can transcend this condition, find that which is unconditioned.

 

[Etu Malku]

Your insistence that it is a physical world, that we are not on a spiritual plane, ensures you do not transcend.

We're not, we are right here on earth . . . perhaps 'your' head is in the clouds, but I am right here, right now. Working on my spiritual evolution by progressing my carnal Self to a state where it will ascend.

You have to allow yourself to experience it all in every moment.

It comes in glimpses, we called it Xeper in the ToS, it is not something that is experienced every moment, those who believe this is happening to them are liars and charlatans.

Currently, you are most identified with the physical and probably the mental, sometimes you will become identified with the emotional, but how much do you pay attention to the intuition?

Don't assume because I talk about the physical / objective with you here that I am not conscious of other planes of existence. My Intuition I call my Dæmon, some call it their HGA, it is our divine connection to our True Monadic Essence, it guides us through paths and allows us to become outside of our mundane self through acts of creation.

The higher self is God by another name, you are that, you only have to remember and experience.

As I sated before there is not a supreme god, however I do agree that our True Self is the 'god' we are ascending to become again

I can only say it in abstract ways, what it is exactly must be experienced to be known.

Yet 'experience' is completely subjective and individual, you talk as if there is only 'one' way to do things and that you have found it, thus everyone else is wrong . . . this just isn't so. Each experience is isolate to each individual, that is what makes life fascinating and unique . . . how utterly boring it would be with a world full of Lunitiks

You have allowed yourself to believe you are something limited, it seems logical, everyone else agrees, it must be so. This the ultimate 'if everyone jumped off a cliff, would you follow them?"

Again, I thank you for understanding me better than I do . . . LOL!

So few experience this state, so much so that people have decided it is utterly false and these people proclaiming it are simply delusional and mentally unstable. In fact, they are the most stable minds on earth, just watch the average mind and you see arguments within it, you see indecisiveness, worry, so much confusion. Mind is a tool, but we go on identifying with instead of using it and so we create our own unhappiness.

I am skeptical more than not believing

You will note I have never said God is me, that is a false statement. I am God is true, but God is everything, it is all there is. When you say "God is Martin Lawrence" you mean that particular form, that particular expression. That is utterly false, all is the expression of God, not only this person. To say God is this, you limit him to whatsoever this is. God is unlimited, the sum total of everything, I am one expression of that which happens to have realized what is the case.

God . . .

Is your limited life so much grander? This insistence, this belief system of who you are, what has it done for you?

This would be another subjective experience, what might be of value to me may not be for you, therefore to plaace an importance on it would be personal.
I have accomplished quite a bit in my 51 years and still am. Being I have focused much on the physical plane, I have secured comfort and security for myself and loved ones and for generations of my family to come.

What does your 'god' status do for you?

You do not wish to understand the nature of this place, of who you really are, why you are really here? Every person has these questions flowing through them, they can console themselves only for so long and then they realize they have simply been fooling themselves. Maybe you are not there yet, maybe you still think being distinct, subject to the whims of those around you, is a pleasurable thing. In reality, you do not really have a point of comparison though, you have not known divine love, you have not know the bliss of oneness, of dissolving into truth. Without that comparison point, you will think what you know as reality is good enough, I would rather die than go back to it.

You talk out yer ass, you know nothing about me. Pretentious is your real name, this I, as well as others here, know only too well.

You do not have a choice about what is the case, your only free will is whether you choose to acknowledge truth, but your acknowledgment does not change that truth. You can either understand or you can go on with your illusion, personally I have chosen truth no matter the ramifications. Ego must die for truth to live in you, this is the central point: what you want as ego is bound to be false in truth because ego itself is false. What you classify as higher and lower self is basically false, more correct is to say the true and false self. The true self is eternal bliss, the false self is subject to suffering, we say this is part of the human condition, it is true in a way, but it needn't be the case, we can transcend this condition, find that which is unconditioned.

I can't agree with any of this . . . everything is about 'choices' some good, some bad . . . there is no manifest destiny, that would be pathetic to exist in a UNiverse such as that. Ego is everything, but I've already stated that clearly, many times, no need to repeat myself.

 

[Lunitik]

By Earth, you mean the physical universe, but all the planes are accessible from here. It is not an either or if you look rightly, but mind wishes to divide, it is the agent of division - it can also be the agent of unity, but ordinarily it is not.

While the unitive state happens in glimpses, it is not true that it cannot be maintained. It simply is maintained, this is what Buddha means by skillful, the ability to remain in this. Simply remain conscious, gradually divine love grows in you. You have not experienced it as your normal state because you insist on being something separate. The higher self is not unique to you, it is the consciousness of existence itself. You remain identified with what you believe is you though, thus you will not permit what is really you to persist.

The great thing about truth is it needn't be agreed with, it is simply the case. Truth can be subjective only when you have decided it, truth ceases to be subjective when it is just the case. If there is no distinct person there, how can it be that persons idea or imagination? To attain to the higher self, you must surrender the lower self, it has and will forever be the case. You are unwilling to do this, thus you remain limited, your experiences of something higher remain temporary.

Whatsoever is temporary is not truth, if it comes and goes it is simply another phenomenon - profound as it may seem, it is again an illusion. I have been in this state for almost a year, ego arises still at times but now it is the temporary and only love is the real. This is what you decide though, it is either to melt in love or suffer with ego. You continue to choose ego...