Ultimate truth = God

[Lunitik]

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/various-triads-in-the-vedas-12963.html#post230297

As far as I know, all the triads in the Vedas are as Mother, Father and Son... again the opposites merging to manifest a Wholeness.

The only exception is the Trimurti, Brahma - Creator, Vishnu - the Maintainer, and Shiva - the destroyer.

Again, however, we see the duality - creation and destruction. I think you might agree that this is why Krishna is considered an incarnation of Vishnu and not the opposites of Shiva and Brahma. Krishna has manifested both sides of this duality, and thus realized his state as Nimitta Matra - a divine vessel.

 

[donnann]

As far as I know, all the triads in the Vedas are as Mother, Father and Son... again the opposites merging to manifest a Wholeness.

The only exception is the Trimurti, Brahma - Creator, Vishnu - the Maintainer, and Shiva - the destroyer.

Again, however, we see the duality - creation and destruction. I think you might agree that this is why Krishna is considered an incarnation of Vishnu and not the opposites of Shiva and Brahma. Krishna has manifested both sides of this duality, and thus realized his state as Namitta Matra - a divine vessel.

Thats why my last comment was about half symbols but the actual whole symbols being the center union the center relationship and what we all truely are.

 

[Lunitik]

My comments on angelic beings explain some things. Angelic beings are more of a combination of the male and female in spirit and body but yet each still has an opposite so the theory of one being one is totally wrong. It always manifests as two halfs one male and one female that even though are two are also one as well as well as being three. As I said this is the nature and function of all infinite life. Anything else is mortal life and those processes lead towards death if you have not noticed.

The essence I am pointing you towards is infinite life, but the finite must cease for it to be realized - the finite must die for the infinite to be known.

How else can it be realized though? If you do not know yourself as that which is deathless, you will always consider yourself that which must die. It is only in transcending birth and death - another pair of opposites - that you can understand true life.

 

[Lunitik]

It is also what Buddha means by his Middle Way: find what is there free from all opposites, and stay there.

The understanding of this is Bodhi - wisdom.
That one who resides there is the Buddha.

 

[donnann]

The essence I am pointing you towards is infinite life, but the finite must cease for it to be realized - the finite must die for the infinite to be known.

How else can it be realized though? If you do not know yourself as that which is deathless, you will always consider yourself that which must die. It is only in transcending birth and death - another pair of opposites - that you can understand true life.

Resurrection of jesus and others sent show and prove death is not the way. Second coming is all about resurrection and salvation. The whole point is that the fall caused mortality and death. Marriage brings infinite life into play. You can have eternal life. Eternites are measured by 1000 years equaling one year but infinite life has no end and you can only attain that through union with ones own opposite.

 

[Lunitik]

This is also the intent of turiya - the fourth state which Trimurti represents. This means the one who looks on all conditions - be it creation, maintenance and destruction, or waking, dreaming and deep sleep - it is the ever present witness.

This is also the Buddha state.

 

[donnann]

This is also the intent of turiya - the fourth state which Trimurti represents. This means the one who looks on all conditions - be it creation, maintenance and destruction, or waking, dreaming and deep sleep - it is the ever present witness.

This is also the Buddha state.

I understand that but its hard to explain.

 

[donnann]

I understand that but its hard to explain.

Its an awareness of every aspect of your being I guess thats the best way to explain it.

 

[Lunitik]

Resurrection of jesus and others sent show and prove death is not the way. Second coming is all about resurrection and salvation. The whole point is that the fall caused mortality and death. Marriage brings infinite life into play. You can have eternal life. Eternites are measured by 1000 years equaling one year but infinite life has no end and you can only attain that through union with ones own opposite.

Jesus has had to be crucified to resurrect - it means he has had to die to arise in God. You must allow your own crucifixion, then only can you resurrect as Michael. The marriage represents the merging of opposites, and as you rightly point out, this results in death of the person, this is the crucifixion yet it is Gods will. The second coming is to be reborn, now you are twice born as the Hindu's would say...

This is the only way to experience eternity, you are your own opposite, why look in the world for it when that union happens within? This is to partake in the Holy Spirit, it means simply realize oneness. It cannot be yours though, for it is of the infinite - to realize it you must remove yourself, you cannot own it.

 

[donnann]

Jesus has had to be crucified to resurrect - it means he has had to die to arise in God. You must allow your own crucifixion, then only can you resurrect as Michael. The marriage represents the merging of opposites, and as you rightly point out, this results in death of the person, this is the crucifixion yet it is Gods will. The second coming is to be reborn, now you are twice born as the Hindu's would say...

This is the only way to experience eternity, you are your own opposite, why look in the world for it when that union happens within? This is to partake in the Holy Spirit, it means simply realize oneness. It cannot be yours though, for it is of the infinite - to realize it you must remove yourself, you cannot own it.

The true meaning of the cross is union. The points on the body are chakra points for union with body soul and spirit. The false crucifixion was to try to prevent that. The true meaning of the cross resurrected jesus. He didnt have to die to resurrect. That would be the big lie, the biggest lie in history.

 

[Lunitik]

Its an awareness of every aspect of your being I guess thats the best way to explain it.

This awareness is what I mean by the witness: you are that one which watches everything. If you can look on it, it is not you, you have to find that one that cannot be watched, what is the source of this watcher?

If you can find this, you will be looking on the face of God.

 

[donnann]

The true meaning of the cross is union. The points on the body are chakra points for union with body soul and spirit. The false crucifixion was to try to prevent that. The true meaning of the cross resurrected jesus. He didnt have to die to resurrect. That would be the big lie, the biggest lie in history.

I am not my own opposite but I sure am looking forward to the day when I will be with him forever. Its soooooo lonely being by myself.

 

[donnann]

This awareness is what I mean by the witness: you are that one which watches everything. If you can look on it, it is not you, you have to find that one that cannot be watched, what is the source of this watcher?

If you can find this, you will be looking on the face of God.

I am waiting for the day when my true love comes for me and talks to me face to face. Its the waiting that is the hard part.....thats painful.

 

[Lunitik]

The true meaning of the cross is union. The points on the body are chakra points for union with body soul and spirit. The false crucifixion was to try to prevent that. The true meaning of the cross resurrected jesus. He didnt have to die to resurrect. That would be the big lie, the biggest lie in history.

Yes, because the cross has brought Jesus' death that Christ can arise in him.

Jesus MUST die for resurrection to occur, the crucifixion is not a physical event as the Christians believe. It is representative of what you speak of here, but the key thing is willingness to stop fighting - "I commit my spirit", it means he is no longer separate from God.

This is why I say before this he has only experienced a Satori, for it is not until the crucifixion scene that he is fully enlightened. Now he teaches for a time on absolute truth, but little of this is recorded unfortunately.

 

[Lunitik]

I am waiting for the day when my true love comes for me and talks to me face to face. Its the waiting that is the hard part.....thats painful.

Then stop waiting.

I have told you how to find him.

 

[donnann]

Yes, because the cross has brought Jesus' death that Christ can arise in him.

Jesus MUST die for resurrection to occur, the crucifixion is not a physical event as the Christians believe. It is representative of what you speak of here, but the key thing is willingness to stop fighting - "I commit my spirit", it means he is no longer separate from God.

This is why I say before this he has only experienced a Satori, for it is not until the crucifixion scene that he is fully enlightened. Now he teaches for a time on absolute truth, but little of this is recorded unfortunately.

Not true. I died when I was born. I dont believe in death. I believe in the resurrection not the death. Death is not of god.

 

[donnann]

Not true. I died when I was born. I dont believe in death. I believe in the resurrection not the death. Death is not of god.

Why do you think Michael is the one in daniel that is prophecied to deliver? He delivers from being killed.

 

[Lunitik]

I am not my own opposite but I sure am looking forward to the day when I will be with him forever. Its soooooo lonely being by myself.

As you are now, certainly, for you do not know the other side of yourself, you are not whole.

When you can find that wholeness, you will never be lonely again, for loneliness is simply longing. You will discover the beauty of being alone, it is utterly different, it is to realize there has never been another.

 

[Lunitik]

Why do you think Michael is the one in daniel that is prophecied to deliver? He delivers from being killed.

Who is it who dies? It is only the false.

What resurrects is truth, that one is eternal life.

Which are you?

If you can understand, you will know what Daniel points to.

I do not say the physical body must die, it is the mind, the ego, the sense of separation which must cease.

 

[donnann]

As you are now, certainly, for you do not know the other side of yourself, you are not whole.

When you can find that wholeness, you will never be lonely again, for loneliness is simply longing. You will discover the beauty of being alone, it is utterly different, it is to realize there has never been another.

I do know myself my whole self. Its lonely as hell. I will never be whole alone and who would want to be , surely not me. Its not how we are meant to be. Thats why everyone is running around trying to find their true loves ....its simply not how we are.