That's Where the Truth is Found

There is a reason you didn't see it in my previous post.The Lords power will be known to His servants, butto His enemies His wrath.

Those who fear the lord and seek Him, making peace with him and judging justly, they will see His face and stand in His council.

The friendship of the Lord is with those who fear him, and he makes his covenant known to them.The meek shall inherit the land, and delight themselves in abundant peace.

The Lord guides the humble to justice and He teaches the meek His way.

Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you peace.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find peace for yourselves.
For my yoke is upright, and my burden is light.


I am the way the truth and the life, no one can enter the kingdom of God except by me.

What I am doing is giving you an example.

My parrots hear my voice I know them and they follow me, I give them eternal life and they will never perish.


Well, according to Luke 17:21, Jesus said the Kingdom of God is esoteric; I mean, within ourselves. Therefore, it is not some kind of place one can enter into. What do you mean? If you feel I am trying to push you into the corner, you don't have to answer.
Ben
 
Well, according to Luke 17:21, Jesus said the Kingdom of God is esoteric; I mean, within ourselves. Therefore, it is not some kind of place one can enter into. What do you mean? If you feel I am trying to push you into the corner, you don't have to answer.
Ben

What He was saying is the kingdom of God is among you.He couldn't have said it is not something you cannot enter into because that would contradict the saying "No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit " not to mention about a dozen more. Here are some more verses about the kingdom of God.

Mat 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Mat 21:31 Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mat 21:43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it."

Mar 4:11 And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables;

Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

Mar 10:15 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it."

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!"
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luk 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
 
What He was saying is the kingdom of God is among you.He couldn't have said it is not something you cannot enter into because that would contradict the saying "No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit " not to mention about a dozen more. Here are some more verses about the kingdom of God.

Mat 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Mat 21:31 Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mat 21:43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it."

Mar 4:11 And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables;

Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

Mar 10:15 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it."

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!"
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luk 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.


You are worried about the possibility that it could have been a contradiction in the gospels if Jesus had said "entered in the Kingdom of God!!!" Oh my gosh! Tell me something new. I have published a whole book about the contradictions of the NT. Most of them in the gospels. Did you check Luke 17:21? I have here two translations of the NT. The King James says "within you" and the NAB says among you. Either way does not imply a place to enter into. It is par excellence esoteric language.
Ben
 
You are worried about the possibility that it could have been a contradiction in the gospels if Jesus had said "entered in the Kingdom of God!!!" Oh my gosh! Tell me something new. I have published a whole book about the contradictions of the NT. Most of them in the gospels. Did you check Luke 17:21? I have here two translations of the NT. The King James says "within you" and the NAB says among you. Either way does not imply a place to enter into. It is par excellence esoteric language.
Ben

No, I m not worried. I know that the translation was wrong.It is not that Jesus contradicted himself it is those who cannot understand who try to translate something that is beyond there knowledge.But for the most part they have done a good job.Oh by the way I have read it translated both ways but among you is the correct translation.
 
No, I m not worried. I know that the translation was wrong.It is not that Jesus contradicted himself it is those who cannot understand who try to translate something that is beyond there knowledge.But for the most part they have done a good job.Oh by the way I have read it translated both ways but among you is the correct translation.


As I said, either way does not imply that the Kingdom of Heaven is a place to enter into, but an esoterical interpretation of what Jesus said. And I did not say that Jesus contradicted himself. Preachers of the gospels are the ones who contradict themselves for using the literal method to interpret religious messages.
Ben
 
As I said, either way does not imply that the Kingdom of Heaven is a place to enter into, but an esoterical interpretation of what Jesus said. And I did not say that Jesus contradicted himself. Preachers of the gospels are the ones who contradict themselves for using the literal method to interpret religious messages.
Ben

Some sayings are literal some are hidden. Like, By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.That is pretty straight forward. But those who reject the One who comes in the name of the Lord have the wrath of God upon them and their confusion is their darkness.

In the eye's of God and His holy ones it is a kingdom that the wicked cannot enter.The wicked will not stand in judgment ,nor sinners in the assembly of the just. The wicked cannot see what the Lord has hidden but those who do what is right, stand in His presence.
 
Some sayings are literal some are hidden. Like, By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.That is pretty straight forward. But those who reject the One who comes in the name of the Lord have the wrath of God upon them and their confusion is their darkness.

In the eye's of God and His holy ones it is a kingdom that the wicked cannot enter.The wicked will not stand in judgment ,nor sinners in the assembly of the just. The wicked cannot see what the Lord has hidden but those who do what is right, stand in His presence.
GOD destroys sin not sinners. You must reason scripture with a divine mind.
 
Some sayings are literal some are hidden. Like, By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.That is pretty straight forward. But those who reject the One who comes in the name of the Lord have the wrath of God upon them and their confusion is their darkness.

In the eye's of God and His holy ones it is a kingdom that the wicked cannot enter.The wicked will not stand in judgment ,nor sinners in the assembly of the just. The wicked cannot see what the Lord has hidden but those who do what is right, stand in His presence.


It depends on the one who comes in the name of the Lord. He must be tested on the light of Isaiah 8:20. "To the Law and the Testimony, if he does not speak according to this method, it is because there is no light in him." Jesus passed the test but not Paul. Who do you follow of the two?
Ben
 
It depends on the one who comes in the name of the Lord. He must be tested on the light of Isaiah 8:20. "To the Law and the Testimony, if he does not speak according to this method, it is because there is no light in him." Jesus passed the test but not Paul. Who do you follow of the two?
Ben

The wicked shall remain wicked, they shall have no understanding but the wise shall have it.

You will not see me until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Blessed is he who finds no stumbling block in me. Blessed is he who hears the word of the Lord and keeps it.

I know the Lord and I keep His word.
 
The wicked shall remain wicked, they shall have no understanding but the wise shall have it.

You will not see me until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Blessed is he who finds no stumbling block in me. Blessed is he who hears the word of the Lord and keeps it.

I know the Lord and I keep His word.


When you quote "Blessed is he who hears the Word of the Lord and keeps it," do you mean God's Law?
Ben
 
The word of the Lord is Gods law.

Great! No wonder Jesus said that to listen to Moses is the only way to escape hell. (Luke 16:27-31) Now, do you have any idea why Paul would preach against that Law? (Rom. 7:7; Heb. 7:12)
Ben
 
Great! No wonder Jesus said that to listen to Moses is the only way to escape hell. (Luke 16:27-31) Now, do you have any idea why Paul would preach against that Law? (Rom. 7:7; Heb. 7:12)
Ben

He didn't know that the word of the Lord is Gods law. He was thinking of the Law that the Pharisees kept which Jesus condemned.

Luke 16; Then he said,"I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead. "

See how you left out the prophets. That's what all the so called Jews do. They forget all the other prophets. That is why He hasn't come back because man will not listen to all of Gods prophets.Including myself.

The Lords prophets come in His name and that is the reason for the saying, "You will not see me again until you say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. In other words accept His prophets.

I am the first and I am the last, the One who lives, once I was dead but now I live forever and ever.
 
He didn't know that the word of the Lord is Gods law. He was thinking of the Law that the Pharisees kept which Jesus condemned.

Luke 16; Then he said,"I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead. "

See how you left out the prophets. That's what all the so called Jews do. They forget all the other prophets. That is why He hasn't come back because man will not listen to all of Gods prophets.Including myself.

The Lords prophets come in His name and that is the reason for the saying, "You will not see me again until you say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. In other words accept His prophets.

I am the first and I am the last, the One who lives, once I was dead but now I live forever and ever.

I wonder what laws Jesus condemned in the Pharisees if Jesus himself said that the obligation to observe all the laws down to the letter pertained to all Jews without exception if you read Matthew 5:19.

And you are wrong to say that I left out the prophets. You yourself said that the Law is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Tanach, and the Tanach means Torah, Neviim (prophets) and ketuvim, the other writings.

And to accept prophets after the establishment of the New Covenant with the return of the Jewish People from those 70 years of exile in Babylon, we can't, because it is tantamount to accept false prophets. Prophets and profecy have been sealed up, according to Daniel 9:24. The prophetic system has been over since then. And since then, any prophet claiming to be a prophet, he or she is, by definition, a false prophet, and we do not acknowledge false prophets.
Ben
 
I wonder what laws Jesus condemned in the Pharisees if Jesus himself said that the obligation to observe all the laws down to the letter pertained to all Jews without exception if you read Matthew 5:19.

It wasn't the laws of the Lord He condemned but there man made precepts and the fact they refused to do what is right and walk in the ways of the Lord.


And you are wrong to say that I left out the prophets. You yourself said that the Law is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Tanach, and the Tanach means Torah, Neviim (prophets) and ketuvim, the other writings.

No I am not wrong. This is what you said;
Great! No wonder Jesus said that to listen to Moses is the only way to escape hell. (Luke 16:27-31)

See you left out where it says MOSES and the PROPHETS from LK 16.


And to accept prophets after the establishment of the New Covenant with the return of the Jewish People from those 70 years of exile in Babylon, we can't, because it is tantamount to accept false prophets. Prophets and profecy have been sealed up, according to Daniel 9:24. The prophetic system has been over since then. And since then, any prophet claiming to be a prophet, he or she is, by definition, a false prophet, and we do not acknowledge false prophets.

No ,that was not an exact number of years it is a measure of time when the people of Israel would come out of Babylon which is a metaphor for the wicked of mankind. That will happen as the Lord has said "When the time comes". The prophecy of Daniel is what was sealed up, sealed from the wicked to understand.

Daniel 12; "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever. 4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." 5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?" 7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. 8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?" 9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do evil; they will have no understanding, but the wise will have it. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."

I am the One who lives. Once I was dead but now I live forever and ever.
Do what is right and just says the Lord.
 
It wasn't the laws of the Lord He condemned but there man made precepts and the fact they refused to do what is right and walk in the ways of the Lord.

Would you please, give me an example of what you mean by man made precepts? And, please, explain to me what you mean by walking in the ways of the Lord? I have been under the impression that you mean they should have accept Jesus as you do and become Christians. Am I wrong?
Ben
 
Would you please, give me an example of what you mean by man made precepts? And, please, explain to me what you mean by walking in the ways of the Lord? I have been under the impression that you mean they should have accept Jesus as you do and become Christians. Am I wrong?
Ben

I do not accept Jesus as Christians do. They refuse to follow His example and follow Paul. Jesus did what is right and just as I do, by walking in the light of the Lord and keeping His words. Those who serve the Lord and revere Him, proclaim justice to the people and praise the Lord.

Precepts of men are things that man has made up by misunderstanding scripture and holy days God never intended as well as Rituals on those holy days and how the Pharisees dress up all extravagant when they were dirty on the inside for not teaching the people to serve the Lord by speaking the truth and keeping His ways. That is what I get from the Gospels and the OT.

Thus says the Lord;

"Keep the ways of the Lord by walking in His ways and revering Him."

"Serve the Lord with reverence and rejoice before Him".

"Let the man who has my words, speak my words and speak the truth".

"You' been told, mankind, what the Lord requires of you; Only to do judgement, love goodness, and walk humbly with your God."
 
I do not accept Jesus as Christians do. They refuse to follow His example and follow Paul. Jesus did what is right and just as I do, by walking in the light of the Lord and keeping His words. Those who serve the Lord and revere Him, proclaim justice to the people and praise the Lord.

Precepts of men are things that man has made up by misunderstanding scripture and holy days God never intended as well as Rituals on those holy days and how the Pharisees dress up all extravagant when they were dirty on the inside for not teaching the people to serve the Lord by speaking the truth and keeping His ways. That is what I get from the Gospels and the OT.

Thus says the Lord;

"Keep the ways of the Lord by walking in His ways and revering Him."

"Serve the Lord with reverence and rejoice before Him".

"Let the man who has my words, speak my words and speak the truth".

"You' been told, mankind, what the Lord requires of you; Only to do judgement, love goodness, and walk humbly with your God."


You say that Jesus did what is right. Was it right to consider Gentiles as dogs? (Mat. 15:26) Then, when he delivered the Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, (Mat. 5:1; 7:28) he told them not to give what is holy to the dogs or to toss their pearls before swine. (Mat. 7:6) Was that right? Then, he armed himself with a whip and caused a havoc among the money changers before the Temple, causing them financial damage in the process. (John 2:15) Was that right? These were instances of transgressions against the Golden Rule of not doing unto others what we would not like they did unto us. How do you see this as "keeping God's Word?"
Ben
 
You say that Jesus did what is right. Was it right to consider Gentiles as dogs? (Mat. 15:26) Then, when he delivered the Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, (Mat. 5:1; 7:28) he told them not to give what is holy to the dogs or to toss their pearls before swine. (Mat. 7:6) Was that right? Then, he armed himself with a whip and caused a havoc among the money changers before the Temple, causing them financial damage in the process. (John 2:15) Was that right? These were instances of transgressions against the Golden Rule of not doing unto others what we would not like they did unto us. How do you see this as "keeping God's Word?"
Ben

It doesn't matter what people think it matters what God hears.To man that is not right but God does not think like man and what Jesus did there has nothing to do with being right. "The Lord has eyes for the righteous and ears for their cry, when the righteous cry out the Lord hears them and He rescues them from all distress".

People fail to understand what is right because they think like man and talk like the world. But the One who is sent by God He speaks the words of God and keeps them. The son does nothing on his own he only does what he sees the Lord doing. Whatever the Lord does the son does likewise for the Lord loves the son and whatever he does he shows him.

Do what is right and just says the Lord.

"Didn't your father eat and drink? He did what is right and just and it went well with him, because he dispensed justice to the weak and the poor it went well with him. Isn't this true knowledge of me says the Lord.
 
It doesn't matter what people think it matters what God hears.To man that is not right but God does not think like man and what Jesus did there has nothing to do with being right. "The Lord has eyes for the righteous and ears for their cry, when the righteous cry out the Lord hears them and He rescues them from all distress".

People fail to understand what is right because they think like man and talk like the world. But the One who is sent by God He speaks the words of God and keeps them. The son does nothing on his own he only does what he sees the Lord doing. Whatever the Lord does the son does likewise for the Lord loves the son and whatever he does he shows him.

Do what is right and just says the Lord.

"Didn't your father eat and drink? He did what is right and just and it went well with him, because he dispensed justice to the weak and the poor it went well with him. Isn't this true knowledge of me says the Lord.

I don't think you understood my post with this reply of yours. As far as I am concerned this is a non sequitur.
Ben
 
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