The Biggest Gift

[Hermes]

All knowledge must come from within. I could tell you this and that and you could listen but in the end you have to be cognizant of what I have told you, you must accept and practice your new-found knowledge, otherwise it is of waste. Wisdom is useless unless you can make practical use of it. You must life it, day in day out. Or you can just gloss over it. The biggest, single most idea I can plant in your head is that life is eternal i.e. death as we call it is a phase and moving from the physical to the spiritual phase. If you realize this and can accept, understand and permeate this to your entire being, then you are all of the sudden richer than the richest person who only focuses on the here and now and the physical. This is what Jesus meant by "my Kingdom is not of this world". "Death" is followed by an involuntary rebirth to finish up on lessons we have missed this time. The problem is I can shout and yell on the street corner of this and people would not listen. It is not important for them they have their work issues, families, money problems far more pressing. This mundane life puts the veil over their eyes and they cannot see the obvious. Cannot find the tree from the forest. Only when close to death, even the rich start paying attention, realizing that we all get old and sick, and all the riches, toys and stuff is meaningless, and in the end Bill Gates billion could not buy him one day of this mundane life, IF his TIME IS UP. If he is missing the obvious who is richer in the end him or me?

 

[seattlegal]

All knowledge must come from within.

Everything we create begins in the subjective mind.

I could tell you this and that and you could listen but in the end you have to be cognizant of what I have told you, you must accept and practice your new-found knowledge, otherwise it is of waste.

LOL, if you just file it away in your subconscious mind, it might come back to haunt you.

 

[Hermes]

It is OK to file it away. Most do that but there is no sadder thing than looking at the "walking dead", the masses who cannot afford to stop and think. The fear of death is the worst fear and all lesser fears and phobias stem from it. We could have a great society where people would not suffer this as much, especially when the premise is false, or greatly misunderstood. This is the advantage of the East vs. West. The Easterners know a little more of this than our me-me society. But try telling them and you are labelled a fool (which you are, an impatient, show-off type if you insist on "evangelizing" the masses...) [forums do not count]

Everything we create begins in the subjective mind.


LOL, if you just file it away in your subconscious mind, it might come back to haunt you.

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

All knowledge must come from within. I could tell you this and that and you could listen but in the end you have to be cognizant of what I have told you, you must accept and practice your new-found knowledge, otherwise it is of waste. Wisdom is useless unless you can make practical use of it. You must life it, day in day out. Or you can just gloss over it. The biggest, single most idea I can plant in your head is that life is eternal i.e. death as we call it is a phase and moving from the physical to the spiritual phase. If you realize this and can accept, understand and permeate this to your entire being, then you are all of the sudden richer than the richest person who only focuses on the here and now and the physical. This is what Jesus meant by "my Kingdom is not of this world". "Death" is followed by an involuntary rebirth to finish up on lessons we have missed this time. The problem is I can shout and yell on the street corner of this and people would not listen. It is not important for them they have their work issues, families, money problems far more pressing. This mundane life puts the veil over their eyes and they cannot see the obvious. Cannot find the tree from the forest. Only when close to death, even the rich start paying attention, realizing that we all get old and sick, and all the riches, toys and stuff is meaningless, and in the end Bill Gates billion could not buy him one day of this mundane life, IF his TIME IS UP. If he is missing the obvious who is richer in the end him or me?

You strike one of my biggest issues straight on the head.
One of the hardest things that a person must deal with when they begin a search for something greater than what they see around them in the world, is that they might find answers....
When one DOES NOT find answers, they are free to just pick something to believe and defend.....

Going back to the one who DOES find answers, that individual must realize that their experience is NOT transferable.... The individual is NOT going to enlighten anyone....... they could conceivably pass on info that will be of use later - but they must let that other individual find the truth in their own fashion, for it does not have the weight of personal experience when it comes from another...

Now here is where my issue comes in..... what if one discovers that the Human Being is made with the ability to transcend our limited environment, and that each Human Being must eventually take the same process in hand for that to happen..... and that it is a simple process to describe - but must be initiated by the individual themselves... and it is immensely important...

Tack onto that the feelings of Connectedness and Love that initiating such a process brings out of the individual, and you have a being who desperately wishes to share something that has immense value, but knows that each will find those feelings in due time - at the CORRECT time.... and that arguing and being insistent will have ( too frequently ) the VERY opposite effect....

The answer is - unfortunately - put it out, and let folks take it or leave it...
and work VERY hard on ones self - because example is truly all we have.....

 

[Hermes]

I chose not to (i.e. indiscriminately put it out other than my books and writing). Currently, I am seeking some venue that puts me in touch with people, face to face where I can safely talk about philosophy, life and death, and other stuff, you know, try to save the world - nonsense talk. There, I can perhaps run into a person who is worth my breath.
You see, I strongly oppose proselytizing, preaching and any way or shape telling people what to do (or think, or believe). They have to ask the questions and find it out for themselves. I can only guide and assist.
Prior, I had some arrangement with East West Bookstore where I could talk about Numbers (Pythagorean school) and offer some Numerology readings, I never charged money for any reading but I charged for the workshop, I also did free workshops at the Now defunct Borders bookstore. That was then and now these are not viable. You see, you need to put up a little stand by the roadside and wait for them to come. The ones ready will come IF you have any meaningful thing to say.
This is quite a different approach from the clergy and churches, which are tempting but decidedly not in the cards for me at this point....

You strike one of my biggest issues straight on the head.
One of the hardest things that a person must deal with when they begin a .......

The answer is - unfortunately - put it out, and let folks take it or leave it...
and work VERY hard on ones self - because example is truly all we have.....

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Part of the point I was making - from my understanding - is the fact that I believe there is NO ONE so much like another, as to make for a perfect understandable gift that one may drop into another's lap.
The PROCESS by which one may assist in enlightenment is a standard process - works the same for all. However - and a big however it is - that is as far as it goes... the experiences the individual will have upon beginning the process will most likely be unique - reflecting eons of soul specialization.
Not just one lifetime - but an unbroken string of experience stretches out behind the individual. You will NOT have the effect you desire - you do NOT have the proper perspective.
The desire which has us thinking that we have what all souls need, is a trick by the physical mind.
The physical mind will use all sorts of tricks to keep us on track - IT'S track. The physical mind we have built over our lifetime stands beside our Higher Mind. It is a CREATION of our own.... and we built it in ignorance. It has all the wrong concerns - sees the shadow of death in every corner - and if one has never Lit the Fires of our Father within it, it's only concern it that we use IT for everything we do - in ignorance.....
The physical mind says " i have done it - i have found all the answers, now i must go save others "
The entire purpose of this impulse is to derail the ACTUAL enlightenment - because the mind knows - deep in the subconscious - that the Death of the Personality is a foregone conclusion... there is no avoiding it - unless one can be convinced of the need to "close up" and stop moving towards that goal.... then the lessons which are headed one's way can safely be put on another's shoulders - and we can "HELP" them with it....

when ego comes creeping in - Our Father stands tapping His toes, waiting....

 

[Hermes]

I am not sure if I follow you. What, specifically is the process? You see, the way I see it, there is no process, it is either; you are ready to receive or not. When you are ready to receive a number of things may happen, you are lead to someone (I met my teacher), or you are suggested something, read a book, or you see a video on youtube or...BINGO, the Aha moment is NOW, it can arrive in a myriads of ways...
and the enlightenment will match the person's needs, make up and parapsychology. This is why preaching is like pissing into the wind....futile.

Part of the point I was making - from my understanding - is the fact that I believe there is NO ONE so much like another, as to make for a perfect understandable gift that one may drop into another's lap.
The PROCESS by which one may assist in enlightenment is a standard process - works the same for all. However - and a big however it is - that is as far as it goes... the experiences the individual will have upon beginning the process will most likely be unique - reflecting eons of soul specialization.
Not just one lifetime - but an unbroken string of experience stretches out behind the individual. You will NOT have the effect you desire - you do NOT have the proper perspective.
The desire which has us thinking that we have what all souls need, is a trick by the physical mind.
The physical mind will use all sorts of tricks to keep us on track - IT'S track. The physical mind we have built over our lifetime stands beside our Higher Mind. It is a CREATION of our own.... and we built it in ignorance. It has all the wrong concerns - sees the shadow of death in every corner - and if one has never Lit the Fires of our Father within it, it's only concern it that we use IT for everything we do - in ignorance.....
The physical mind says " i have done it - i have found all the answers, now i must go save others "
The entire purpose of this impulse is to derail the ACTUAL enlightenment - because the mind knows - deep in the subconscious - that the Death of the Personality is a foregone conclusion... there is no avoiding it - unless one can be convinced of the need to "close up" and stop moving towards that goal.... then the lessons which are headed one's way can safely be put on another's shoulders - and we can "HELP" them with it....

when ego comes creeping in - Our Father stands tapping His toes, waiting....

 

[Hermes]

Let me ad this tidbit - this, what I am talking about is the path to enlightenment. Of course, I am not yet enlightened but depending on my actions I KNOW I can achieve it sooner or later....I m on the path, what I learn is mine and mine forever, it cannot be reversed, of course I can stop and/or I can fumble but that is just a interlude.
Even so I am not an "enlightened" being, the quality of my life has been improved drastically. It is a magical journey.

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Let me ad this tidbit - this, what I am talking about is the path to enlightenment. Of course, I am not yet enlightened but depending on my actions I KNOW I can achieve it sooner or later....I m on the path, what I learn is mine and mine forever, it cannot be reversed, of course I can stop and/or I can fumble but that is just a interlude.
Even so I am not an "enlightened" being, the quality of my life has been improved drastically. It is a magical journey.

I DO understand what you are getting at, and it is not my intention to be obtuse.

What I am saying is this:
The actual physical process of accessing the Higher Mind is universal among humans. It cannot be otherwise. The ACTUAL PHYSICAL process will be the very same for you, as it is for me....
to interject here - because I feel you argument coming - The way we will interpret what is happening to us may well be worlds apart, but physically it will be the very same process.

Now, considering this, something else must be considered - consciousness and Intention. Consciousness directs our Creative energies, so that our INTENTION is the motivating factor.
The mind is split into multiple dimensions - we exist on all levels of Creation at once - all of that mind is directing our course.
The bit of mind we have here, is generally working AGAINST this process, because there's no recognition that there is more directing things than itself.

It only stand to reason ( albeit in hindsight ) that the important thing is that we wade through the mind to the point of recognition.
When we push the boundaries of our own mind - with determination and dogged persistence - the barriers are ( at the very least ) found.
When they are found, they can be dealt with, and they come down - exposing the fact that they were put up by US....

And freeing us to use as MUCH of our GENUINE consciousness as we have learned to access.....

from there the individual will NATURALLY continue on in it's unique trajectory to Our Goal.... ( which is understood by our WHOLE self, and can only be understood in tidbits from this physical perspective... )
from THERE the rainbow breaks from the crystal....
from THERE we begin to TRULY follow our hearts desire...
from THERE will we be free to be who we REALLY are...

but one must reach that goal consciously, trying relentlessly all the way...

Though our intuition ( which is that larger part of ourselves beating at the walls ) may be blossoming - we may be receiving more of the Truth than ever before, and we may be satisfied with that and wish to share it...

But our Goal is to have done the MENTAL work to clear away the cobwebs... To Beat Down the walls we built in our distress and confusion - as a child exposed to a harsh cruel world, which didn't obey any of the LAWS we had become accustomed to being there for us effortlessly...

Our curiosity saw us fall into physical incarnation - now we must understand the COST of our curiosity - we are here, now we must find our way back out... and that requires summoning up all of the Higher Mind that you deserve access to.
You deserve it when you have cleared away enough of the baggage to see the doorway...

So, The Process is the same for all - clearing away the Human in your Head.... and exposing the Son of God....

 

[Hermes]

Brother, you are not obtuse at all, welcome to this forum BYW..
It is me, I am slow to understand finer points to your post, but you are patient man. Thanks.
So am I to assume that you were referring to opening up the centers/chakras? I see your point now.
But what facilitates/triggers these are of a great mystery. They cannot be forced open or cajoled, it you will (at least, this is what I have learned).

I DO understand what you are getting at, and it is not my intention to be obtuse.

What I am saying is this:
The actual physical process of accessing the Higher Mind is universal among humans. It cannot be otherwise. The ACTUAL PHYSICAL process will be the very same for you, as it is for me....
to interject here - because I feel you argument coming - The way we will interpret what is happening to us may well be worlds apart, but physically it will be the very same process.

Now, considering this, something else must be considered - consciousness and Intention. Consciousness directs our Creative energies, so that our INTENTION is the motivating factor.
The mind is split into multiple dimensions - we exist on all levels of Creation at once - all of that mind is directing our course.
The bit of mind we have here, is generally working AGAINST this process, because there's no recognition that there is more directing things than itself.

It only stand to reason ( albeit in hindsight ) that the important thing is that we wade through the mind to the point of recognition.
When we push the boundaries of our own mind - with determination and dogged persistence - the barriers are ( at the very least ) found.
When they are found, they can be dealt with, and they come down - exposing the fact that they were put up by US....

And freeing us to use as MUCH of our GENUINE consciousness as we have learned to access.....

from there the individual will NATURALLY continue on in it's unique trajectory to Our Goal.... ( which is understood by our WHOLE self, and can only be understood in tidbits from this physical perspective... )
from THERE the rainbow breaks from the crystal....
from THERE we begin to TRULY follow our hearts desire...
from THERE will we be free to be who we REALLY are...

but one must reach that goal consciously, trying relentlessly all the way...

Though our intuition ( which is that larger part of ourselves beating at the walls ) may be blossoming - we may be receiving more of the Truth than ever before, and we may be satisfied with that and wish to share it...

But our Goal is to have done the MENTAL work to clear away the cobwebs... To Beat Down the walls we built in our distress and confusion - as a child exposed to a harsh cruel world, which didn't obey any of the LAWS we had become accustomed to being there for us effortlessly...

Our curiosity saw us fall into physical incarnation - now we must understand the COST of our curiosity - we are here, now we must find our way back out... and that requires summoning up all of the Higher Mind that you deserve access to.
You deserve it when you have cleared away enough of the baggage to see the doorway...

So, The Process is the same for all - clearing away the Human in your Head.... and exposing the Son of God....

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

To clarify further - those A-Ha moments you refer to, are the tiny, fractional bits that come straining through the walls - like sand through a crack....

when the walls begin to come down - it is like a download from the mainframe.....

And Thank You for the Welcome!!

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

oooooh, more stuff to discuss!

no, the Chakras can all be fiddled with with no access to Higher Mind... that is just playing along with what the Biggest part of you knows is helpful...

I DO however watch the Chakras activate as I light up the tree...

Lighting them indiscriminately will place the influences that they control, upon the body... in an indiscriminate fashion... lol

But yes - I feel you have a solid handle on what I am referring to..

The MYSTERY only holds up until the Mental work is done....

you see, as the issues which trouble you in your mind are discovered - and you begin to deal with them - you will ( if you are very observant ) see how the energies that you are managing are connected to the energies of the body ( and yes - through the chakras, as they are dealing with those centers in your body regulating Higher Processes ).
There will come a time when a simple thought will cause a flare in the energy of the center which manages that frequency... and you may become constantly conscious of how each and every energy is affecting you...

It becomes something that you never have to express - the vibration of your consciousness becomes a light in the darkness, and others will FEEL it... those who are ready to hear what you have to say, will wander up and start a conversation ( and they may not even know why - because there is a large chunk of THEIR mind which is hidden from them... )

There is a danger to looking for all the proper techniques to do what is built right in...
it is starting from the wrong direction....
Going into one's own mind - on a journey of self discovery and self responsibility, with zero intention of making excuses, and not accepting failure, is the path to ascension....

 

[Hermes]

Brother,
Have you had this experience first hand (when the "walls come down")? Or do you know someone who has?
Just curious.....

To clarify further - those A-Ha moments you refer to, are the tiny, fractional bits that come straining through the walls - like sand through a crack....

when the walls begin to come down - it is like a download from the mainframe.....

And Thank You for the Welcome!!

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Brother,
Have you had this experience first hand (when the "walls come down")? Or do you know someone who has?
Just curious.....

I only feel it is proper to share what I have experienced first hand.
If I begin to discuss areas where i MUST use guesswork, I will say so.

However - there is a point here somewhere, where one's own ideas of what it means for the "walls to come down" will interfere with what I am trying to share.

I am not talking about instant enlightenment. Be very clear on that.

What I am talking about is the instant when we realize that this is but a very small part of who we are.
It feels quite the opposite of instant enlightenment actually. One instantly becomes aware that the Scope of what is to be understood is so much greater than you could have ever imagined.Our responsibilities are to be so great that it can be intimidating.
But there ARE certain things one becomes aware of - which become apparent that could be useful for others as well.... all the while understanding that we are all individuals - plotting courses in all directions...

The reason I am confident to share, is because I DO know others who have had the very same experience.... and I HAVE been able to recognize common aspects... and well - folks learn from each other when they share - and I'm not afraid of being called crazy...

edit: if i was afraid of being called crazy - i wouldn't have THIS little bit to bring here....