After His Passion aka His Suffering

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After His Passion aka His Suffering

That's about the report given by Luke about Jesus when this appeared to his disciples for 40 days after his passion aka his sufferings. (Acts 1:3)

I would like to bring to the attention of those who are unable, for obvious reasons, to focus on the meaning of the words, "After his passion or suffering" that, after one's passion or suffering is no evidence even that one died, let alone that he resurrected.

It just happens that Luke was right and here is why: According to Josephus, a famous Jewish historian of the First Century, it was not uncommon for Jews to linger on their crosses for up to 3 or 4 days, in and out, till death would eventually catch up with them.

We are talking about the high odds that Jesus was still alive when he was taken off the cross. It was so obvious that even Pilate himself, a man accustomed to crucify Jews almost daily, was surprised that Jesus had died so soon. Hence he summoned the Centurion to check him out before releasing his body to Joseph of Arimathea. (Mark 15:42-44)

It happens though that Joseph of Arimathea was too rich a Pharisee and we all know the power of money which a Roman soldier, even a Centurion did not have to be too corrupt to use some. (Mat. 27:57) The bottom line is that the Centurion got some of the money of Joseph, this got the body of Jesus and Pilate got the word that Jesus was dead.

The tomb Joseph had taken Jesus into was of the VIP kind of a walk-in tomb. In order not to call for unnecessary attention, Joseph laid Jesus in that tomb, rolled the tombstone to the entrance and went for help to move Jesus elsewhere and to take care of his wounds. To do so, his closest friend Nicodemus, another rich Pharisee, had brought about 100 pounds of medication for that matter. (John 19:39) Then, VIP treatment guaranteed Jesus' apparitions to his disciples for the next 40 days for some last instructions.

Then, Jesus was gone and, probably with Joseph and Mary Magdalene. Joseph because if the secret got revealed, not only Jesus would be taken back to the cross but also Joseph for having made a fool out of Pilate.

About 30 years later Paul chowed up preaching a gospel that Jesus had been the Messiah, son of God and that he had resurrected. (Acts 9:20; II Tim. 2:8) It was a success as Paul impressed many with his gospel except the Apostles of Jesus who were well aware why Jesus had to leave. And, obviously, the Apostles took the secret to their graves. (Acts 9:26)
 
This is a bone Wil apparently can not or will not let go of.

As to your story. It is a bizarre bit of fiction that you made up out of whole cloth as far as I can tell. Is your purpose to suggest an alternate set of events of what happened to Jesus? Because as a story goes it has as much validity than any other story. And as little. I'm not a Christian; I would imagine those who are could site significant documentation as evidence you could not be more wrong.

Why do you feel the need to eradicate the NT story of Jesus? I understand that the Jewish people do not look at him as Christians do. But to Christians, JC is their God. Why do you have such a huge problem with that?
 
This is a bone Wil apparently can not or will not let go of.

As to your story. It is a bizarre bit of fiction that you made up out of whole cloth as far as I can tell. Is your purpose to suggest an alternate set of events of what happened to Jesus? Because as a story goes it has as much validity than any other story. And as little. I'm not a Christian; I would imagine those who are could site significant documentation as evidence you could not be more wrong.

Why do you feel the need to eradicate the NT story of Jesus? I understand that the Jewish people do not look at him as Christians do. But to Christians, JC is their God. Why do you have such a huge problem with that?
because the Torah says God is not a man, nor born of a man. Just to speculate his dislike. I personally don't mind people thinking it, as long as they aren't pressuring me or cursing me.
 
Will eventually had that discussion and it ended last year...

The story hasn't been made up out of whole cloth by Shib... it has been bantied about for centuries..
 
because the Torah says God is not a man, nor born of a man. Just to speculate his dislike. I personally don't mind people thinking it, as long as they aren't pressuring me or cursing me.
He is not a man but man was created in the image of him.
 
I personally don't mind people thinking it, as long as they aren't pressuring me or cursing me. BigJoe.

To me that is the best sentiment a religious person can have. Believe what you want; just don't force it no me!

And I think most feel the same way...

And a big reason that Muslims get a bad rap?

allahu akbar.... being yelled as they shoot, as they bomb, as they kill others or themselves...

the my god is better than your god rubs anyone the wrong way...

I guess they believe it means glory for themselves in the hereafter but it creates/perpetuates a nonglorious reputation for those they leave behind.
 
And I think most feel the same way...

And a big reason that Muslims get a bad rap?

allahu akbar.... being yelled as they shoot, as they bomb, as they kill others or themselves...

the my god is better than your god rubs anyone the wrong way...

I guess they believe it means glory for themselves in the hereafter but it creates/perpetuates a nonglorious reputation for those they leave behind.
Pseudo Muslims maybe... praising Allah before a righteous act is good. Doing it in his honor. .. good... disobeying him and still proclaiming it in his name... bad
 
This is a bone Wil apparently can not or will not let go of.

As to your story. It is a bizarre bit of fiction that you made up out of whole cloth as far as I can tell. Is your purpose to suggest an alternate set of events of what happened to Jesus? Because as a story goes it has as much validity than any other story. And as little. I'm not a Christian; I would imagine those who are could site significant documentation as evidence you could not be more wrong.

Why do you feel the need to eradicate the NT story of Jesus? I understand that the Jewish people do not look at him as Christians do. But to Christians, JC is their God. Why do you have such a huge problem with that?

I have absolutely nothing personal against Christians. My point is that Jesus was a Jewish man whose Faith was Judaism and the gospel of Paul aka the NT uses a Jew to preach against Judaism through the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. From the moment Christians admit that Jesus was not a Jew, I promise I'll never return to this forum again. But till then, I am simply standing for the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism. That's all.
 
I have absolutely nothing personal against Christians. My point is that Jesus was a Jewish man whose Faith was Judaism and the gospel of Paul aka the NT uses a Jew to preach against Judaism through the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. From the moment Christians admit that Jesus was not a Jew, I promise I'll never return to this forum again. But till then, I am simply standing for the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism. That's all.

I think what you are trying to say was that Christians should admit that he WAS a Jew and not that "Jesus was not a Jew"?

That's not the problem, many Christians consider Jesus Jewish. The problem is that your logic demands that if Jesus was a Jew he is somehow unable to speak against anything Judaism teaches and can't in any way "correct", according to Christians, the Jewish understanding of God.

For most, the most does not imply the other, something you take for a self evident truth and refuse to defend with reason.
 
I don't know any Christian over the age of 6 that doesn't know Jesus was a Jew...

Born and raised and according to the book educating Rabbi's when he was 12
 
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