Black Slave Pathos most modern piquant Christian Topic

[Bhaktajan II]

The Black Slave Pathos is the most modern piquant Christian Topic, literally followed by Shoah followed by Enola Gay's payload followed by Muslim self-esteem syndrome...yada yada.

Back to the Black Slave Experience ---Theologically--- once a black slave knew the message of Christ, the immediate arresting, conspicuous, staggering ipso facto TRUTH that resulted was...

"Dude? How can you stand before me and think that I am under you as an individual? Dude you're thuggery incarnate, you're avaricious, you're full of your own self-importance."

The "Moment of Realisation" that an antediluvian Black anywhere in the Americas was an most unctuous spiritual "Realisation".

The Jews under Nazi's or Cambodians under Poh Pot etal knew they were simply being Robbed by others.

The Spiritual moment of profound insight of the Unity of Man was experienced by Blacks at a time after they slowly learned to read and hear the Gospel [c1750's???] ---what to say of the US Constitution's wordings.

The Revelation in the mind of a simple slave that he was an equal + he was being conned by thugs that he was only a so-called slave to others.

It's like sitting down quietly and realising Hey! I can Have it all! ...but before I was being brainwashed that I was a lesser being.

The private moment when a Black in, say, 1800 somewhere between North Carolina to Brasil, has an awakening! That was a real exquisite renaissance of thought-moment.

...not since Thomas Aquinas ...

 

[Bhaktajan II]

SURVEY: 99.9% of the World's most famous "Black" are Americans?


Agree or Not?

Most Famed Black USA actors & Celebs are known by all folks

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[Cino]

Disclaimer: I'm not a US citicen, never lived there, so I am missing a lot of important nuance here. Let me know if I cross any boundaries.

That said, I do get that immense cruelty, suffering, emancipation, alienation, bigotry, violence, hope, despair, inequality, and a host of other things are in the center of it all.

And I get a sense how religion is in the mix as well. Christianity, Islam, Hoodoo and Vodun and so on.

So the epiphany and the rage you describe are understandable to me.

I don't think it is totally unique, though. How is it different from a European Jew realizing that their constitutional rights (we had a good modern constitution in Germany since 1919) were being stripped away? How is it different for an inmate of Guantanamo, erected and operated in flagrant violation of the few international agreements the world has been able to make?

 

[wil]

SURVEY: 99.9% of the World's most famous "Black" are Americans?

99% of the most famous blacks in america are americans

We control the fame, the media, the distribution.

I'd say that would be different to countries not subjected to american television.

Most every African nation has their black leaders, politicians, businessmen and women all of which are more important to them then our movie stars, athletes...

 

[Bhaktajan II]

How is it different from a European Jew

That was a case of being totally invested and aware of their inherent rights ---being robbed. Their realisation was that they [the Jews] were surrounded by mad-dogs. This is different than a jungle inhabitant that get acculturated to a mode of life that was a falsity. The Black slave was destined to have an epiphany [the word I was searching to say myself] an epiphany that his so-called destiny was a false con-job by brutish overlords.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

How is it different for an inmate of Guantanamo

They are an aggressor that was allowed to live in a state of penitentiary. They gave up their freedom to take away others lives ---they are criminals that should have been given battlefield executions. No comparison that relinquished their freedom.

The Black had an epiphany that they too were brethrens.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Most every African nation has their black leaders,

So what?

That doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of the World's most famous "Black" are Americans.

Most countries in the world do not have blacks living there.

And many a foreign country knows who Pamela Anderson is and they know who the Professional Wrestlers are and the Beatles are.

But the OP is about how 99.9% of the World's most famous "Black" are Americans.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Oops the OP is about the unique epiphany that ONLY the Black Slaves had upon learning to read and discovering that scriptures state that they are free men.

And thus, the onlooker upon a black slave was HIDING this fact, putting on a poker-face. "Oh yes I am amster you are slave" ---this was a bold-two-face-lie.

The Black slave was lied to and tricked to think he was inferior ---whilst the oppressor turned a blind eye to their own hypocrisy.

When the black slave came to realise this status quo ---he had an epiphany.

That epiphany was the most piquant Christian Theological development.

The invading migrants will never have such an epiphany because it's not relevant to them.

 

[Cino]

This is different than a jungle inhabitant that get acculturated to a mode of life that was a falsity.

Um, what kind of assumptions about "jungle inhabitants" are you making here? Take a look at Haiti, the slaves there drew rather different conclusions.

They are an aggressor that was allowed to live in a state of penitentiary.

Check out "Murat Kurnaz", a German who was kidnapped and held in Guantanamo for over four years. He was not an aggressor.

But he may have had the same kind of rude epiphany regarding the rule of law as the slaves had about scripture.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

a German who was kidnapped and held in Guantanamo

Your example is of a wealthy educated worldly modern man who is robbed and become hapless.
Your example is of a wealthy person who loses [robbed of] his wealth.

I am referring to jungle inhabitants [which is a lower standard of living than country bumpkins or hillbillies or Serfs] jungle inhabitants that had no wealth or social power ["The first slave voyage direct from Africa to the Americas probably sailed in 1526"]. They were poor but later knew they were endowed.
I am referring to jungle inhabitants who were poor but now can be rich

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Take a look at Haiti, the slaves there

The slaves in Haiti
The Haitian Revolution was a successful anti-slavery and anti-colonial insurrection by self-liberated slaves against French colonial rule in Saint-Domingue, now the sovereign nation of Haiti. It began on 22 August 1791, and ended in 1804 with the former colony's independence. Wikipedia

This proves my point.

From 1526 to 1791 is 265 years. As I am saying, after the slave became educated and 'aware' of the standard of Moral Civil code that existed amongst the governing class...the Slave too sought self-actualisation.

Black Shack...if there is a rule that a man is free and you live in that same locale...you wake up smell the coffee and expect the same service.

My OP is the first whiff of fresh brewed morning coffee that an epiphany occurs.

Thus is Haiti that epiphany occur enmass circa 1780's.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

what kind of assumptions about "jungle inhabitants" are you making here?

He is a Now old assumption of mine:
Mahabharata is an Indian television series based on the Hindu historical-drama epic of the same name. The 94-episode Hindi series[1]originally ran from 2 October 1988 to 15 July 1990
Ramayana is an Indian historical-drama epic television series, which aired during 1987-1988

"where it is said that streets in cities remained isolated and people left their work to watch this series."
"The series had a viewership of 82 per cent, a record high for any Indian television series. Each episode of the series reportedly earned Doordarshan 40 lakh."
Mahabharat along with Ramayana (1987) became one of the successful mythological television series in Indian television. Many actors went on to become popular through the series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharat_(1988_TV_series)

Ramayan notably broke viewership for any Indian television series during the time. It was telecast in 55 countries and at a total viewership of 650 million, it became the highest watched Indian television series by a distance.[7] D. K. Bose, the media director of Hindustan Thompson Associates, remarked, "The unique thing about the Ramayana was its consistency. Other programmes like Buniyaad and even Hum Log did achieve viewership of around 80 per cent and more, on occasion. In the case of Ramayana that figure had been maintained almost from the beginning." He added, "Starting at around 50 per cent the 80 per cent figure was reached within a few months and never went down." He noted that the viewership was more than 50 per cent even in the predominantly non-Hindi speaking southern Indian States of Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Karnataka. He also added that the show's popularity spanned across religions and was watched by people of the Islam faith in high numbers as well. He mentioned that it was common among people threatening to burn down the local electricity board headquarters during a power outage.

The success of the series was documented well by the media. Soutik Biswas of BBC recalled that when the series was telecast every Sunday morning, "streets would be deserted, shops would be closed and people would bathe and garland their TV sets before the serial began."[8] Writing for the Telegraph, William Dalrymple noted, "In villages across south Asia, hundreds of people would gather around a single set to watch the gods and demons play out their destinies. In the noisiest and most bustling cities, trains, buses and cars came to a sudden halt, and a strange hush fell over the bazaars. In Delhi, government meetings had to be rescheduled after the entire cabinet failed to turn up for an urgent briefing."

The telecast of Ramayan was seen as a precursor to the Ayodhya dispute. Arvind Rajagopal in his book Politics After Television: Hindu Nationalism and the Reshaping of the Public in India (2000) wrote that with the series, the government "violated a decades-old taboo on religious partisanship, and Hindu nationalists made the most of the opportunity." He added that it "confirm[ed] to the idea of Hindu awakening" and the rise of the Bharatiya Janata Party capitalizing on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayan_(1987_TV_series)

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My assumption is when Bin Laden and his gumbas saw the Hindu Kshatriyas of yore behave so haughtily and macho they got ideas ---that's my assumption. They saw Paris and fancied themselves as a Napoleon and everyone else as country bumpkins in need of a leader.

 

[Cino]

Your example is of a wealthy educated worldly modern man who is robbed and become hapless.
Your example is of a wealthy person who loses [robbed of] his wealth.

I am referring to jungle inhabitants [which is a lower standard of living than country bumpkins or hillbillies or Serfs] jungle inhabitants that had no wealth or social power ["The first slave voyage direct from Africa to the Americas probably sailed in 1526"]. They were poor but later knew they were endowed.
I am referring to jungle inhabitants who were poor but now can be rich

I get your point.

Do you get mine that you don't have to come from a premodern jungle society to experience profound disenfranchisement?

 

[wil]

am referring to jungle inhabitants [which is a lower standard of living than country bumpkins or hillbillies or Serfs] jungle inhabitants that had no wealth or social power

We are talking about tribes that I have existed from the beginning of a man? So we are talking all varieties of skills what it takes to survive in the jungle including leaders and medicine men, midwives, Cooks FireKeepers who knows what all.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Do you get mine that you don't have to come from a premodern jungle society to experience profound disenfranchisement?

I don't see any point you are making. Other than striving to be contrarian.

You are concerned especially with modern day disenfranchisement?
It's not only self-esteem issues of aboriginals?

I am talking about a 100% disenfranchised person from birth whose grandparents were also disenfranchised 265 years. ---And where brainwashed to except there servitude as their fate.

And like the Haitians discovered man-made laws that worked in their favor, and so adopted them as their own too.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

We are talking about tribes that I have existed from the beginning of a man? So we are talking all varieties of skills what it takes to survive in the jungle including leaders and medicine men, midwives, Cooks FireKeepers who knows what all.

I guess they could own guns and open schools and vote and open Theatres and patent inventions and go on Holidays every year?

In all the slave movies the slave always "carries papers" showing his past skill sets?

How much for this slave?...he was a baker and carpenter and candlestick maker in his old country!

We are talking about captive laborers that worked for 265 years by Brainwashing Masters.
They were brainwashed until it was made a conscious fact to them that there was brainwashing going on and it was the brainwashing that disenfranchised them. And my OP is about the sudden epiphany when they suddenly knew I am free man too as per their own capture's moral code.

Can't you appreciate that epiphany?

Instead you keep defending the self-esteem of the perfectly able body persons ---that got robbed. IE: The Slave is a smart slave so lets make him the commandant of his slave camp? Don't want to put a good man down!

 

[Bhaktajan II]

What is an example of disenfranchisement?
To disenfranchise is defined as to take away someone's right to vote or to deprive someone of power, rights and privileges. When certain segments of the population are deprived of their right to vote or of a position of power in society, this is an example of a time when you disenfranchise that segment of society.

My take on the word, disenfranchisement, is that you possess something and then latter it is taken away.

My OP is that the slave had not entitlements [not eligible to even be described as disenfranchised]

Later the slave came to know he was part of the franchise.

 

[Cino]

I don't see any point you are making. Other than striving to be contrarian

This is a discussion forum. If you just want to proclaim your insights without being questioned, maybe a blog would suit your purpose better.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

This is a discussion forum. If you just want to proclaim your insights without being questioned, maybe a blog would suit your purpose better.

You are doing it again. Striving to be contrarian.

A Millionaire's yacht is marooned on an uncharted island ---he is disenfranchised.

A child that worked 16 hours a day in a textile mill wakes up one day to find he's un-employed ---because of "Child Labor Laws".
Every child involved had an epiphany.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

This is a discussion forum. If you just want to proclaim your insights without being questioned, maybe a blog would suit your purpose better.

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