Death is an illusion

'dhārayeti iti dharati' - One which bears is 'dharati', 'dharaṇi' - one who is the strength of the family (wife).
'dhārayet iti dharmaḥ' - what should be adhered to or held is 'dharma'
That is how words are formed in Sanskrit or illustrating the formation of a word.
 
powessy said:
The more time a mind has the more real it becomes,
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Powessy, You seem to be in the philosophical Idealism camp with me, that Ultimate Reality must be something like mind as we experience our own minds to be, but at its deepest level as Mind that is bound to no thing, and is thus boundless. My stock worker theory of time, which sees time as the result of a more potent dimension when coming into a less potent dimension causing the less potent dimension to expand in a flow that we call time (There is too much there for the lesser dimension to accommodate all at once, or as is, so it has to accommodate the greater reality gradually, over, or in, time.).When God enters this physical dimension/reality, it is more than this reality can “chew” unless it nibbles on it over time. The inability to chew it creates time.
By your point of view (as best as I can tell), a mind choosing to enter a less potent dimension (in order to take on that dimension’s characteristics or form) makes time. The cause of time then is the mind’s choice to enter the lesser dimension’s realm. Your view is even more in line with philosophical Idealism than my stock worker theory or analogy of time, because mine views the process from the perspective of the lesser dimension (the lower shelves from which the customers select items/“things”) and is thus more “materialistic.”
 
muhammad_isa said:
That is not the only evidence .. we have evidence from Judaism and Christianity also.
..and that is only to start with.. :)
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Repeatable triple blind results? I've seen some studies and folks that have done the rigor and documentation to prove part of the thesis (on prayer or ....) but often those that do that or purport to are so far away from Orthodox thinking of most denominations and sects the religoinists often avoid referencing them.

But I would be interested in your scientific evidence.
 
otherbrother said:
Powessy, You seem to be in the philosophical Idealism camp with me, that Ultimate Reality must be something like mind as we experience our own minds to be, but at its deepest level as Mind that is bound to no thing, and is thus boundless. My stock worker theory of time, which sees time as the result of a more potent dimension when coming into a less potent dimension causing the less potent dimension to expand in a flow that we call time (There is too much there for the lesser dimension to accommodate all at once, or as is, so it has to accommodate the greater reality gradually, over, or in, time.).When God enters this physical dimension/reality, it is more than this reality can “chew” unless it nibbles on it over time. The inability to chew it creates time.
By your point of view (as best as I can tell), a mind choosing to enter a less potent dimension (in order to take on that dimension’s characteristics or form) makes time. The cause of time then is the mind’s choice to enter the lesser dimension’s realm. Your view is even more in line with philosophical Idealism than my stock worker theory or analogy of time, because mine views the process from the perspective of the lesser dimension (the lower shelves from which the customers select items/“things”) and is thus more “materialistic.”
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Powessy, I interpret your phrase “figuring itself out” as being the mind (chip off the old Block—Mind) taking the form of the less potent dimension. It is like catching a big fish with a lightweight fishing line. The mind has to reel the fish in gradually and oh so carefully. Because the limited reality is not able to easily accommodate the power of mind. Mind is open to everything, it operates with a huge surplus, abundance, albeit in the form of potential as far as the lesser reality can tell.
Perhaps our regular thinking mind is seamlessly connected to a deeper part that is in the “God” zone/dimension. The “human” mind is connected to the Divine mind. Perhaps an individual spirit or soul is an intermediary between human mind and Divine mind. Our own soul or spirit can bring messages from the deep God zone but our human minds focusing on the less potent dimension in which we live usually doesn’t easily understand the Divine messages or energetic nudges. We are Christlike, in that we are all both human and Divine, but we tend to get too distracted being human beings in a less potent (but immediately available) reality/world. Our individual souls or spirits must act as a corrective agent for our surface-centric attachment to our world of things. No-things is a good thinking practice that our regular human mind can contemplate so we can loosen our grip and attachment to the world of things. Yet our True Self or soul or spirit is there to provide in-form-ation also. It is our inner Rabbi.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Siddhi: or just achievement of one's purpose. Siddha: One who has achieved his purpose (whatever it may be).
Sadhya: The purpose which is to be achieved. Sadhan: Process or tool used to attain Sadhya.
Root: dha, 'dhakara' as it is known in Sanskrit, same which forms 'dharma' or 'dharati' (Earth).
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Is this in line with Powessy’s “figuring its self out?”
Something akin to the self’s immutable spirit or soul (or operating from deepest level of overall reality, from Brahman?) may facilitate Siddhi.
 
Aupmanyav said:
The boulder and the head, both are considered illusions in non-duality.
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At the moment the boulder is zooming towards me, I’ll continue to count it as real. Perhaps later, in meditation, I’ll see an advantage in it being an illusion.
One other possibility however is that I learn to levitate objects during meditation, and can do so quickly enough to stop the boulder without my having to move myself out of its path. But I haven’t learned that skill yet. So, the falling boulder is very real at the moment it is about to crush me. If it does, perhaps then I will be in a deep meditative state (that others call death) in which I can appreciate it as an illusion,
 
otherbrother said:
Powessy, I interpret your phrase “figuring itself out” as being the mind (chip off the old Block—Mind) taking the form of the less potent dimension. It is like catching a big fish with a lightweight fishing line. The mind has to reel the fish in gradually and oh so carefully. Because the limited reality is not able to easily accommodate the power of mind. Mind is open to everything, it operates with a huge surplus, abundance, albeit in the form of potential as far as the lesser reality can tell.
Perhaps our regular thinking mind is seamlessly connected to a deeper part that is in the “God” zone/dimension. The “human” mind is connected to the Divine mind. Perhaps an individual spirit or soul is an intermediary between human mind and Divine mind. Our own soul or spirit can bring messages from the deep God zone but our human minds focusing on the less potent dimension in which we live usually doesn’t easily understand the Divine messages or energetic nudges. We are Christlike, in that we are all both human and Divine, but we tend to get too distracted being human beings in a less potent (but immediately available) reality/world. Our individual souls or spirits must act as a corrective agent for our surface-centric attachment to our world of things. No-things is a good thinking practice that our regular human mind can contemplate so we can loosen our grip and attachment to the world of things. Yet our True Self or soul or spirit is there to provide in-form-ation also. It is our inner Rabbi.
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Mind is not who we are, it is who they are. Mind is not any part of me they are symbiotic and can choose you or not in order to find time inside of them. To figure something out is not like sitting at a table reading a schematic and making the part from that instruction. Figuring something out to the mind is to add a new piece to there inventory of time, I call it there tool box the bigger the tool box the more you can figure out. Herself the world soul object she mates with the mind with the most time and can figure itself out many more times then anything else, many trophies around there necks, they are nature in it's purest form.

Brain is the fleshy lump on ones shoulders that controls the body's processes and can store information for retrieval and use in our world. The soul who I am inside of myself is my link to who they are inside of nothing here. We are not gods children, they are, we are just something they have inside of them that can figure things out. Any connection to god anything here has is directly through them figuring you out.

I don't really imagine anything to them/minds my job requires me to imagine but I am here first inside myself and these imaginations don't mean anything to them unless I explain it to them. When I close my eyes and open my inner eyes I can immediately see them moving up to my brain/face to ask questions. They teach me with images they form inside of themselves either in dreams or meditations.

powessy
 
muhammad_isa said:
What do you mean?
Are you trying to tell us that all of our historical evidence of Abraham's G-d is a giant conspiracy?
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Well, historical evidence testifies to the existence of communities, institutions, and beliefs.
It is really hard to get concrete evidence of any god, discernible to the physical senses.
I'm theistic myself. Still I have to say, the reality of G-d and heavenly entities and the whole supernatural real, is really, really hard to demonstrate.
When asked why I believe what I do, there's not a lot I can point to that is conclusive. I can draw some conclusions of my own based on historical or sociological or anthropological observations. But then Luke 17:20-22 speaks to this but it doesn't prove it, it merely describes it.
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otherbrother said:
Is this in line with Powessy’s “figuring its self out?”
Something akin to the self’s immutable spirit or soul (or operating from deepest level of overall reality, from Brahman?) may facilitate Siddhi.
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It is not. I have mentioned the words in Hinduism relating to purpose, the process of its achievement, and the aftermath.
No spirit / soul or God in this.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Well, historical evidence testifies to the existence of communities, institutions, and beliefs..
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Exactly..
..and one could ask why people of old would have made it all up, as "the pieces" all fit togther
like a jigsaw puzzle.

TheLightWithin said:
It is really hard to get concrete evidence of any god, discernible to the physical senses.
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As G-d is not a physical being, that is no surprise.
 
Aupmanyav said:
What historical evidence?
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Aupmanyav said:
It is more like a continuing scheme.
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..so the whole lot is all based on lies and/or delusion, from start to finish?
eg. from Moses to Muhammad

I reckon that that is more difficult to believe, than not.
Of course, it is easy to make claims .. not so easy to prove them.

If one claims that our ancestors were all deluded or fraudulent, you need to show why that
is the case .. nay! .. faith is worth more than the total wealth the world contains. :)
 
muhammad_isa said:
..so the whole lot is all based on lies and/or delusion, from start to finish?
eg. from Moses to Muhammad

If one claims that our ancestors were all deluded or fraudulent, you need to show why that
is the case .. :)
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Not just to Mohammad, but to Bahaollah and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad too (and many others whom you can find on Wikipedia lists of claims of being Gods, Jesuses, messengers, manifestations, mahdis, prophets). As I said it is a continuing scheme. There will be more in future.
Simple, they had desires that there hunts be successful, that they would not be eaten by predators in night (read that a Homo habilis skeleton was found up in the branches of a tree), that they will encounter females as eager for sex as they were, and that they will live for ever. Scammers took advantage of their desires, that is why 72 houris for martyrs in heaven.
 
powessy said:
The soul who I am inside of myself is my link to who they are inside of nothing here. We are not gods children, they are, we are just something they have inside of them that can figure things out. Any connection to god anything here has is directly through them figuring you out.
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Powessy, I find your take on ultimate (or overall) reality quite interesting. Above you said you believe that Mind is foreign to our being but has a symbiotic relationship with us. Then you say you believe we do have a soul (presumably not mind, and if not, what IS it!) and that it interfaces with the foreigners made of Mind). You see to see those Mind beings as somewhat adversarial, despite the symbiosis. The relationship between us and them is not loving but utilitarian—we put up with each other. Your view of overall reality is not as harmonious as I tend to think it is. I understand that competition happens a lot in life, but I believe that all roads are leading eventually to harmony and cooperation and love. Love is a higher evolved state with a whole lot more abundant resources (potentials) that will be at our disposal once we accommodate it and are transformed by it. I also think we can choose that particular (higher frequency? low resistance?) subtle energy formate at any moment but we allow high resistance energy to block it.
I think that we do have Mind as part of who/what we are, and that we choose Love via OUR mind.
Having said that, I do see evidence of soul or spirit being reluctant to be at all confined to the limits of physical existence. Even the deeper. truer, aspect of our self has to work at both being IN yet not OF this surface (less real) reality where our physical existence occurs. Time is one of the “bummers” of physical existence. Apparent separation (being trapped by simple location) is another. But creativity and love helps mitigate and eventually transform physical reality into a more glowing and harmonious realm.
Perhaps though I chose this belief as a positive self-fulfilling prophesy, along the lines of “Ask and ye shall receive.” I’d rather attract that eventual outcome, even if the belief is inaccurate as far as discernible facts go. It may be a meaningful myth that poetically manifests a reality, rather than practically and sensibly makes it.
Are there foreign mental-like energies or agents that interfere with my mind? Probably so, but I am equipped with the gift of co-creation via my (little m mind) chip off the old (Big M Mind) block. Country boys can survive, but Spiritual people can create!
 
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