The second coming = WWJD

Interesting perspective. Christ consciousness is a concept used in New Age, I just like to keep it simple and stay with Jesus Christ.
The Apostle Paul writes in Philippians 2:5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus."
So this is what Christ consciousness means?

Philippians 2 (KJV)

2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
 
For possible context, Ahanu might be thinking of passages like these from Baha’u’llah:

See Abdu'l-Baha's commentary on "I Was a Hidden Treasure":

"Therefore the meaning of Knowing in this noble Tradition is not and never has been the knowledge of the true nature of the Absolute for that is beyond the province of Possible Being. Rather it is the knowledge of the traces and effulgences of that Most Holy and Forbidden Mystery. For however much detached minds and pure souls seek to penetrate the worlds of Inner Knowledge, their understanding will never penetrate more than that station which is a sign pointing towards the Monarch of Primal Oneness which He has placed as a trust within the reality of a human being. And however much they may fly with triumphant wings in the limitless space of what is knowable and observable, they will read naught but the letters of the book of their own selves. Thus it is that He has said: "Read your own book, your self is sufficient to give an account against you today [49]." For example, consider a circle; however much a compass moves, it can only move around the point which is the centre of the circle. This illumined verse, in the reality of angelic souls, has the same role as that point, for all of the senses and understanding of human beings revolve around that Divine verse. But this verse, shining forth from the Sun of essence, this trust from the Monarch of Primal Unity is hidden and concealed within the veils and clouds of the self just as the luminous flame is hidden and concealed invisible within the candle or lamp before it is lit. And so while this light of the firmament of Unity is concealed beneath the horizon of the reality of human beings, no-one is aware of the Divine states which are hidden beneath of the reality of human beings."

In the fifth stage of love Abdu'l-Baha says: "He sees his own beauty annihilated in the Beauty of the True One and finds the Beauty of the True One enduring in the beauty of his self." To realize God's attributes within oneself is the very act of "putting God first."
 
BTW. The Bible states Jesus is the king of kings and the lord of lords... Who are the kings and lords? Earthly rulers....?
Possibly?
Powers and principalities, however that is interpreted to mean?
Or the divine council?
Angels? Other gods?
All of the above?
Good question 🤔
If you look up the late great scholar Michael Heisner, you can get his view on the entities in the unseen realm
I do not recall if he addressed this specific question, but he probably does.
Tons of stuff out there by him, on various youtube channels (run by various people who refer to him often), his books are still available etc.
 
Christ consciousness
The Center for Christ Consciousness defines Christ Consciousness as “the highest state of intellectual development and emotional maturity.” In layman's terms, it's a religious philosophy mixed with some psychology.
Is this correct?
 
The Center for Christ Consciousness defines Christ Consciousness as “the highest state of intellectual development and emotional maturity.” In layman's terms, it's a religious philosophy mixed with some psychology.
Is this correct?
I don't know anything about Christ Consciousness, but from what I've seen here it doesn't look to me like it has anything to do with Christ in the Bible other than borrowing His name.
 
The Center for Christ Consciousness defines Christ Consciousness as “the highest state of intellectual development and emotional maturity.” In layman's terms, it's a religious philosophy mixed with some psychology.
Is this correct?
I don't know anything about Christ Consciousness, but from what I've seen here it doesn't look to me like it has anything to do with Christ in the Bible other than borrowing His name.
I've heard the term a lot from various sources over the years, which might be considered "new age" or "new thought" - those ideas are brushed off by formal or conservative religious people, though "new age" and "new thought" ideas are sometimes drawn from esoteric teachings and just simplified and made understandable to the masses.

On a quick web search of the term Christ Consciousness, I found the following:

This person wants to move the term Christ Consciousness away from what might be considered "new age" and offers a Biblical perspective

Also on the quick web search the Copilot function answers says the following:
Spiritually evolved state of being
Christ Consciousness refers to a spiritually evolved state of being that embodies qualities such as love, devotion, courage, and surrender, reflecting the teachings of Jesus Christ. It signifies a transformation by the Holy Spirit, aligning one's mind and character with that of Jesus. Additionally, it represents a state of consciousness that transcends ego and duality, connecting individuals to the divine light. Overall, it is a term that holds deep significance for those on a spiritual path, emphasizing unity and higher awareness.

It then links to these two websites:

These videos discuss the idea in around 10 minutes each
 
If we examine the text, I think it's fair to say Paul does not mean 'Christ consciousness' in the way that New Age, New Thought and the like, tend to interpret it.

2:5 τοῦτο γὰρ φρονείσθω ἐν ὑμῖν ὃ καὶ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ : phroneō touto phroneō (the 'γὰρ' is a conjunctive) en hymin hos kai en christos iēsous

The key word here is phroneō, which does not mean mind, precisely.

Rather, the word is more akin to a mindset. It's not about a particular thought or idea, it's about a pattern or habit of thinking, an attitude or disposition. Hart translates the verse as: "Be of that disposition in yourselves that was also in the Anointed One Jesus,"

So what disposition?

Clearly, to make oneself "of no reputation", to adopt the attitude of "a servant", to be "humble" and "obedient".

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It's strikes me that some people make a fuss about 'the Trinity' because the word does not appear in the Bible, but "Christ consciousness" is somehow OK.
 
If we examine the text, I think it's fair to say Paul does not mean 'Christ consciousness' in the way that New Age, New Thought and the like, tend to interpret it.

2:5 τοῦτο γὰρ φρονείσθω ἐν ὑμῖν ὃ καὶ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ : phroneō touto phroneō (the 'γὰρ' is a conjunctive) en hymin hos kai en christos iēsous

The key word here is phroneō, which does not mean mind, precisely.

Rather, the word is more akin to a mindset. It's not about a particular thought or idea, it's about a pattern or habit of thinking, an attitude or disposition. Hart translates the verse as: "Be of that disposition in yourselves that was also in the Anointed One Jesus,"

So what disposition?

Clearly, to make oneself "of no reputation", to adopt the attitude of "a servant", to be "humble" and "obedient".

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It's strikes me that some people make a fuss about 'the Trinity' because the word does not appear in the Bible, but "Christ consciousness" is somehow OK.

So the disposition (phroneō) of Christ is one of humility, service, and self-emptying (kenosis). That is the process behind what it means to put God first, isn't it? It is similar to the annihilation of the selfish ego to become a perfect mirror for the attributes of God.

What can we say of the one who has adopted the phroneō of Christ? Well, if one truly takes on the mindset of humility and self-emptying love, what happens to their consciousness? Their consciousness becomes, uh, a Christ-like consciousness, @Thomas.

Why not just say that it seems we are describing the same reality, but I don't like your terminology?

We are now discussing labels rather than the reality behind the labels. It's like missing the forest for the trees.
 
Why not just say that it seems we are describing the same reality, but I don't like your terminology?
Possibly because maybe the term "Christ-consciousness" has taken on a wide variety of new, widely popular meanings that have nothing to do with the disposition of Christ in the Bible, so when someone says "Christ-consciousness," there is no way of knowing if they are describing the same reality or not.
 
If we want to get into 'Christ consciousness' language, 1 Corinthians 2 is a meatier text.

14: But the natural man (psychikos anthropos) does not receive the things of God's Spirit; for to him it is folly, and he is unable to know them, since they are discerned spiritually.
15: The spiritual man (pneumatikos), moreover, discerns all things, yet is discerned by no one.
16: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, who will give him instruction?" And we have the mind of Christ (nous christos)"

In 14-15 Paul introduces the distinction between the psychical (from psyché, Latin, anima: hence also 'animate' or 'animal') life, and the 'pneumatic' or 'spiritual' life of a radically different nature. The term pnevmatikos infers not the 'spiritual' in the vague sense in which we use that term today, but referring to a special condition – perhaps even a special status within the early church, probably that of someone filled with and transformed by God's Spirit, and so living according to pnevma rather than psyché.
Paul picks up this theme again in Chapter 15, which opens with his brief summation of the Gospel as he had received it (v3) and reaches the crux his own when he counters those who do not believe in the resurrection "But if the Anointed is proclaimed – that he has been raised from the dead – how is it some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" (v12) and then goes on to speak again of the first psychical man Adam, and the and spiritual man Christ, ending with the famous: "Look, I tell you a mystery:" (v51).

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as well as phroneo, there is more than one word for mind in the New Testament. We have nous, as above, but we also have dianoia, as in the Shema Israel:
"with all thy mind (dianoia)" (Mark 12:30, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:27).

A quick AI glance offers:
  • Nous (νοῦς):
    Often translated as mind, intellect, or reason. It's considered the faculty that grasps first principles and fundamental truths. In some philosophical systems, it's even associated with a divine spark or connection to a higher reality. It can be understood as a kind of direct apprehension of truth, sometimes compared to intuition.

  • Dianoia (διάνοια):
    Typically translated as understanding, thought, or discursive reasoning. It represents the process of thinking through arguments, analyzing information, and drawing conclusions through logical steps. It's distinct from the immediate grasp of nous.

  • Phroneo (φρονέω):
    Means to think, to have a mind, or to direct one's mind. It implies a deliberate and focused way of thinking, often with a moral or practical dimension. The related noun, phronema (φρόνημα), refers to a mindset or disposition. Paul in the New Testament uses phroneo to describe the Christian mind being set on spiritual things.

Contextually then, the spiritual mind – nous – is one informed of the mysteries hidden from all the ages of the cosmos, brought to mind by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The psychical mind – dianoia – is the human discursive intellect operating under its own powers of reasoning.

Phroneo then simply means the disposition of the mind according to what it knows.

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None of this implies "Christ consciousness" as implied with all its New Age baggage.

Christ said:
"Because I go to the Father" (John 14:13) "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever... but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you." (v16-18).

The consciousness of the Risen Christ is God. To say 'Christ consciousness' in the NA sense is to say 'God consciousness' ... and who can fathom the things of God? as St Paul asked more than once, referring to Isaiah 40:13. He himself said "In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." (1 Corinthians 2:11)
 
Why not just say that it seems we are describing the same reality, but I don't like your terminology?
I haven't looked into this deeply, but from my experience with popular thinking and what I've seen here, I'm imagining that most often now when people say "Christ-consciousness,"they are not describing the same reality. They are adding to it and subtracting from it whatever they want to, but still calling it "Christ-consciousness" to add credibility to ideas coming from somewhere else, and ignoring or even contradicting His teachings.
 
If we want to get into 'Christ consciousness' language, 1 Corinthians 2 is a meatier text.

14: But the natural man (psychikos anthropos) does not receive the things of God's Spirit; for to him it is folly, and he is unable to know them, since they are discerned spiritually.
15: The spiritual man (pneumatikos), moreover, discerns all things, yet is discerned by no one.
16: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, who will give him instruction?" And we have the mind of Christ (nous christos)"

In 14-15 Paul introduces the distinction between the psychical (from psyché, Latin, anima: hence also 'animate' or 'animal') life, and the 'pneumatic' or 'spiritual' life of a radically different nature. The term pnevmatikos infers not the 'spiritual' in the vague sense in which we use that term today, but referring to a special condition – perhaps even a special status within the early church, probably that of someone filled with and transformed by God's Spirit, and so living according to pnevma rather than psyché.
Paul picks up this theme again in Chapter 15, which opens with his brief summation of the Gospel as he had received it (v3) and reaches the crux his own when he counters those who do not believe in the resurrection "But if the Anointed is proclaimed – that he has been raised from the dead – how is it some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" (v12) and then goes on to speak again of the first psychical man Adam, and the and spiritual man Christ, ending with the famous: "Look, I tell you a mystery:" (v51).

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as well as phroneo, there is more than one word for mind in the New Testament. We have nous, as above, but we also have dianoia, as in the Shema Israel:
"with all thy mind (dianoia)" (Mark 12:30, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:27).

A quick AI glance offers:
  • Nous (νοῦς):
    Often translated as mind, intellect, or reason. It's considered the faculty that grasps first principles and fundamental truths. In some philosophical systems, it's even associated with a divine spark or connection to a higher reality. It can be understood as a kind of direct apprehension of truth, sometimes compared to intuition.

  • Dianoia (διάνοια):
    Typically translated as understanding, thought, or discursive reasoning. It represents the process of thinking through arguments, analyzing information, and drawing conclusions through logical steps. It's distinct from the immediate grasp of nous.

  • Phroneo (φρονέω):
    Means to think, to have a mind, or to direct one's mind. It implies a deliberate and focused way of thinking, often with a moral or practical dimension. The related noun, phronema (φρόνημα), refers to a mindset or disposition. Paul in the New Testament uses phroneo to describe the Christian mind being set on spiritual things.

Contextually then, the spiritual mind – nous – is one informed of the mysteries hidden from all the ages of the cosmos, brought to mind by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The psychical mind – dianoia – is the human discursive intellect operating under its own powers of reasoning.

Phroneo then simply means the disposition of the mind according to what it knows.

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None of this implies "Christ consciousness" as implied with all its New Age baggage.

Christ said:
"Because I go to the Father" (John 14:13) "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever... but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you." (v16-18).

The consciousness of the Risen Christ is God. To say 'Christ consciousness' in the NA sense is to say 'God consciousness' ... and who can fathom the things of God? as St Paul asked more than once, referring to Isaiah 40:13. He himself said "In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." (1 Corinthians 2:11)
With help from an AI, I did a little bit of research on the history of the term "Christ consciousness." It rose to popularity with help from Paramahansa Yogananda, who took a few sayings of Jesus out of context and interpreted them in terms of Yoga philosophy, without even trying to see them in the context of the surrounding text. The term "Christ consciousness" has never been in a Biblical context, and has ignored the context even in the surrounding text, from the very start.
 
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