Genesis not what it seems

[Azure24]

Hi All.

I have thought for a considerable amount of time and from gaining knowledge of the research of a friend have come to the conclusion that God did not create the heavens and the earth in what is commonly known as six days.

Now I don't want to be controversial or anything but God has shown to me over time that the Scriptures are more than just words or something to be always taken literally. I have found that it is true that EVERY word must be read carefully and knowledge of Hebrew and Greek is important.

Ok, let's start with Gen. 1:1

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The text here is means the same in the Hebrew...It is the past tense.

The word bara (created) and the word asah (made) are two different words and they mean two different things. In the beginning He created it all, it was all there. But it wasn’t until certain things transpired before He began His work of asah.

Now in Genesis 1:1, there is a whole lot more in here than most of us can even begin to realize and after spending many hundreds of hours on this, I don’t even claim to have scratched the surface. So we’re told in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” When did He create them? On six days or in the beginning? In the beginning.

Is that the same as where Moses said in Exodus 20 verse 11, “for in six days God made the heavens and the earth“? Is that not the same thing? Well you would say, ‘It has to be the same thing.’ It’s not. Moses didn’t say in Exodus 20 verse 11 "for God told us in the first chapter of Genesis that in six days He made the heavens and the earth." He doesn’t say that, these are two different facts.

Genesis 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Now that “created” is just a simple verb, but it has additions to it. When they put a little 7 as a suffix to that, it changes the simple word ‘create’ to what in English we call a pluperfect. It’s the difference between yesterday my wife baked a cake or yesterday my wife had baked cake. I mean they’re both past tense, but one is called pluperfect. It is not happening at the time that the statement is being made.

“In the beginning…” at this beginning point, God created the heavens and the earth. No. “In the beginning God (already had) created the heavens and the earth.”

Hebrews 4, here again we’re talking about a day, a Sabbath day. It talks about that He wouldn’t let them enter into their rest.

Heb 3:11 … They shall not enter into My rest.
v. 12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
v. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
v. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
v.3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest: although the works were finished from the 'end of the sixth day'.

Is that what it says?

Heb. 4:3 …although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

“In the beginning God (HAD) created the heavens and the earth.” He already had created them. Now here is where the Bible and science mesh. People pooh-pooh the Big Bang like it’s the big boogeyman, the big bird or some dumb thing.

(I'll go into this later perhaps?)

So it isn't...“In the beginning…” at this beginning point, God created the heavens (heaven is always plural) and the earth. No, it is. “In the beginning God (already had) created the heavens and the earth.”

See it didn't take a day to do this, because we haven't gone to this part yet. Before the "days" began (and I say days in inverted commas because it is not days as we know it...I'll explain later) God created the heavens and the earth was without form.

So everything was created from which He was then going to make, the raw materials if you will.

So the six "days" that follow God makes from the already existing materials (from verse one...Which I believe was quite some time earlier, perhaps even billions or millions of years).

Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made (asah), and, behold, it was very good.

Then when we read in verse 31 of all that God created for making, when He bara for asah, you see. He created for making, so He did not create the heavens and earth in six days. In six days He made the heavens and the earth as they now are, from what He had already created, millions or billions of years earlier in verse one.

Did you notice how He starts that off “And God said”? Every time He is going to make something, from what He had already created, it says “And God said”… here’s what I’m going to do. He always starts it that way… here‘s what I‘m going to do. “And God said,” here’s what I’m going to do.

When did that period, that He’s taking about doing something, when did it start? Well back up one verse to 23, it says.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. v. 24 And God said…

Then we go into the creation of the sixth day. So what begins the sixth day? It’s between “And the evening and the morning were the fifth day,” that’s where it starts and then God said let it happen. That is the sixth day.

Here is the end of the six "days" or the six creation times. The very last verse of the first chapter of the Bible, and how does it end? It ends with…

Gen 1:31 …And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

What began the sixth day? Verse 24 “And God said…” So between what God said and the evening and the morning, that was the sixth day. There is nothing that happened in the sixth day before verse 24 and nothing that happened after verse 31, it’s got to be between there. The sixth day ended with the evening and the morning, that ends it, that is the sixth day. When did it begin? When “God said” in verse 24. Now we’re getting it.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

That’s the end of the fifth day or the fifth yom or the fifth period of time. When did that fifth day of making begin? Verse 20, “And God said...” Simple? There is a pattern here, we are talking Scripture.

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This was the end of the forth day. When did it begin? Verse 14, “And God said…”

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

When did it begin? Verse 9, “And God said…”

Gen 1:8 …And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Which began when? Verse 6, “And God said…”

Gen 1:5 …And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The ending of the first time. When did it begin? Verse 3, “And God said…” Where is verse 1 and 2? Before the six days. And so....Bingo, it was there all the time.

The six days only consist of what “God said” should take place during those periods of time. But in the beginning God had already created the heavens and the earth. The creation was finished from the foundation of the world. In verse 2 the earth was uninhabitable for humanity, tohu and bohu.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form (tohu), and void (bohu);

It had to be fashioned and He begins that fashioning with “And God said.” Verses 1 and 2 have nothing to do with the 6 creating times. Totally outside if that period. Can you see it? Okay.

I'll post more on this later...

 

[juantoo3]

Good post. I've heard along similar lines in the past.

 

[wil]

Pretty tricky that Moses, eh?

 

[Azure24]

But there's more to it than that.

So I’m saying what is the difference if we call it the Big Bang or the God Awesome Blast? God talks about performing powerful things by the blast of His nostrils (2 Samuel 22:16). The Bible tells us that He is stretching out, spreading out the heavens like a curtain, if you check Youngs and Concordance.

Psa 104:2 "Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:" (KJV)

Psa 104:2 "Covering himself with light as a garment, Stretching out the heavens as a curtain," (YLT)

Psa 104:2 You are muffled with light as a garment. Stretching out the heavens like a sheet," (CLV)

Even in the King James, it said He spreadeth.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens," (KJV)

You know when you put spread and then ‘eth,’ spreadeth, that’s like the Greek eroist tense, is spreading. As the universe as I write is still expanding...

As you go to verse 3, we read.

Gen 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light..."

Let there be light. What do scientists tell us happened after the big bang? It took awhile before there was light. In the beginning He had created the heavens and the earth, but there was no light. Three verses later He tells us in the third verse “let there be light," and it should read, “and there became light.”

So you see how this idea of a big bang is not that stupid and atheistic and evolutionary nonsense and all of that. Millions of scientists work with the laws of physics and quantum math and all of these things, cosmology and astronomy. All of their knowledge of all of the laws of physics fit into the model that the heavens and the earth had a beginning from a central point that exploded out very rapidly. You could call it the big spreading out and it would sound more scriptural. Christ calls it the spreading out, scientists call it the Big Bang, which is just another term for spreading out rapidly and powerfully from a central beginning.

Now I have heard from many people stating that when it mentions in Genesis:

"And the evening and the morning were the..." (Gen. 1:5,8,13,19,23,31 etc.)

It confirms that the "days" refered to in Genesis are 24-hour solar period.

Evening and morning has absolutely nothing to do with the length of the time period that is being discussed. Evening and morning have to do with a condition. The evening is a condition that comes about at the end of a day.

For example day in scripture is not the same in our sense...Don't believe me?

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." (Gen. 1:5).

So, first of all only the light is called day. Darkness is instead called night.

Lets now with this knowledge look at Mat 4:2 concerning our Lord.

"And when He had fasted for forty days and forty night…"

If forty days equal forty 24-hour periods, you don’t have “and night.” No we can’t count that one. So you didn’t think He fasted all day and ate all the nights, they had to tell you He fasted for forty days AND ALSO during the night. The 24-hours lunar cycle is almost never used in the Scriptures, never. And when it is, even then it uses some buffers to be sure you understand what it says.

And just to be sure our Lord said it Himself:

John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?"

And on top of that Day is used to represent the word ’time’ 67 times in the Old Testament. It just means time.

Anyway going back to the evening and the morning, here's something quite interesting...

Evening and morning have more profound meanings.

Psa 90:1 " A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, Thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
v. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world (earth and world?!?! World sometimes means "age"), even from everlasting to everlasting (everlasting to everlasting?!?!? Everlasting or ever never means forever it always means "age to age" or "age"), Thou art God.
v. 3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
v. 4 For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night."

It interesting that just these couple of verses brings in all this, the creation of the heavens and earth, a thousand years are as a day and so on, it’s all in there.

v.5 "Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
v. 6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth. "

What do we have here? This is what it is telling us in Genesis. Morning signifies order, light, birth, growth, progress. At night things get dark, gloomy, they become fizzy, you can’t see them anymore. It’s chaos to cosmos.

Here He is using the evening and morning exactly into that context. In the morning they are like grass, but in the evening they are cut down. The morning is positive, growth and light. The evening it’s cut down, darkness and death. People tell me, ‘no where else in the Bible these words are used.’ Well you just read it didn’t you. Did it mean sunset? That a person is born at sunrise and he dies at sunset? Well yea, it can be used that way, but it could represent his whole life, not 24 hours.

So here you see the symbolism of evening and morning portrayed perfectly. One has to do with progress and order and light and life. The other has to do with darkness and death. So we do have an example as to what these words mean, don’t we.

That's all for now. I have even got research on Adam not being the first man...Does anyone know something else?