This is true religion

[Lunitik]

TEACHINGS PART 72 MOOJI For This Reason I Come - YouTube

She has just experienced the ultimate for the first time.

Most beautiful is her statement "I never knew what love was", can you hear what she says it was to her before?

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

I like Mooji and I will watch this later.

I would not call it religion though.

 

[Lunitik]

I like Mooji and I will watch this later.

I would not call it religion though.

Religion means to re-bind.

She has reunited with the ultimate, I have never seen this recorded before, it is amazing because usually it occurs in the caves or the outskirts of society, people do not get to see it happening.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

I like Mooji and I will watch this later.

I would not call it religion though.

Religion means to re-bind.

Religion means different things to different people.

 

[Lunitik]

Religion means different things to different people.

Yes, but the word's root is what I speak... the original intention of the very formation of the word. Before it has accumulated all this cruft, there was something in mind when putting this word together, that original purpose is what I am talking about.

The books, the belief systems, these are utterly irrelevant... what is important is where they take you, and the word religion exactly describes it.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Yes, but the word's root is what I speak... the original intention of the very formation of the word. Before it has accumulated all this cruft, there was something in mind when putting this word together, that original purpose is what I am talking about.

well the original meaning of the word is debatable, others say it means reverence.

also the meaning of words and uses in language changes over time, this is real language for real people for real life.

The books, the belief systems, these are utterly irrelevant... what is important is where they take you, and the word religion exactly describes it.

in your opinion, but religion or reverance is different for all. Your fundamentalist view is just one view of many on the nature of religion.

 

[Lunitik]

well the original meaning of the word is debatable, others say it means reverence.

also the meaning of words and uses in language changes over time, this is real language for real people for real life.

Indeed, you speak of use, and I speak of meaning.

Religion has come from the latin re-ligio. Another word which comes from the same root is legion. It has come to mean a particular organized belief system, but it is not the original intention. As you know, legion means a multitude acting as one, usually in the context of an army or similar. Religion means that from the sense of individuality, we again realize all is one.

The Bible expresses this in that it says to do God's will rather than your own. God is the personification of the one, perhaps we can even say Christ is the personification manifest, free will is the fundamental aspect of individuality. These are merely words, human invention, so do not put too much stock in them. They point at something, but alone they are just shapes which can be interpreted - a more refined version of hieroglyphs.

in your opinion, but religion or reverance is different for all. Your fundamentalist view is just one view of many on the nature of religion.

Reverence can only be about other, although it is certainly more fitting for what is currently intended by religion. When two become one, reverence becomes irrelevant... will you revere yourself? Is it a true integral binding if there is still a distinct two?

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Indeed, you speak of use, and I speak of meaning.

Religion has come from the latin re-ligio. Another word which comes from the same root is legion. It has come to mean a particular organized belief system, but it is not the original intention. As you know, legion means a multitude acting as one, usually in the context of an army or similar. Religion means that from the sense of individuality, we again realize all is one.

do you speak latin ?

as I stated the meaning of the word religion is debatable others say it means reverence.

According to the philologist Max Müller, the root of the English word "religion", the Latin religio, was originally used to mean only "reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety" (which Cicero further derived to mean "diligence").[9][10] Max Müller characterized many other cultures around the world, including Egypt, Persia, and India, as having a similar power structure at this point in history. What is called ancient religion today, they would have only called "law".[11]

are you prepared to accept the possibility that you are wrong on the meaning of the word religion ?

also

use is real meaning for real people for real life this is real language.

The Bible expresses this in that it says to do God's will rather than your own. God is the personification of the one, perhaps we can even say Christ is the personification manifest, free will is the fundamental aspect of individuality.

the Bible also says to ask what you will and it will be done for you.

Reverence can only be about other, although it is certainly more fitting for what is currently intended by religion. When two become one, reverence becomes irrelevant... will you revere yourself? Is it a true integral binding if there is still a distinct two?

only if you believe in non duality, which of course not everyone does.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

thanks for posting it though, I would like to go to Moojis satsang some time.

 

[Lunitik]

are you prepared to accept the possibility that you are wrong on the meaning of the word religion ?

Certainly, and if you'd like to choose a different word, it is acceptable. You have said this is not religion, I have said why I have used this word... language is irrelevant though, it is the culmination of human experience, the very peak of life and our very purpose. Whatever word you choose for this is perfectly good, and utterly irrelevant.

the Bible also says to ask what you will and it will be done for you.

It does, it is because we are not separate from the creator, and thus have the same capacity if it is a strong enough desire. Building a love relationship with existence will cause this to become more likely to come about, now there is a deeper desire than can be faked. If you do not doubt at all that it will happen, if you trust absolutely that existence will guide you to this desire being arrived at, then it will assuredly happen.

Yet, eventually you will realize that your own desires only keep getting bigger, whatsoever mind desires once fulfilled will seem as though it is nothing at all. Eventually you will grow tired of never arriving at fulfillment, you only see immediate gratification but it never lasts. Now you will see the pointlessness of it, and this will cause real inquiry into truth.

I hope you are blessed with this in this life, but if it does not happen, I hope you enjoy the ride.

only if you believe in non duality, which of course not everyone does.

I am not sure non-duality can be believed, it is very strange to fathom with mind. Mind cannot exist without distinctions of reality, without definitions for all that is. Belief is a function of mind, it is something which mind has accepted. When you choose to accept something instead of reject it, you have created a duality already, so you reject it either way. No, non-duality can only be understood by direct experience, then there is no acceptance or rejection - it is simply the case.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Certainly, and if you'd like to choose a different word, it is acceptable. You have said this is not religion, I have said why I have used this word... language is irrelevant though, it is the culmination of human experience, the very peak of life and our very purpose. Whatever word you choose for this is perfectly good, and utterly irrelevant.



It does, it is because we are not separate from the creator, and thus have the same capacity if it is a strong enough desire. Building a love relationship with existence will cause this to become more likely to come about, now there is a deeper desire than can be faked. If you do not doubt at all that it will happen, if you trust absolutely that existence will guide you to this desire being arrived at, then it will assuredly happen.

Yet, eventually you will realize that your own desires only keep getting bigger, whatsoever mind desires once fulfilled will seem as though it is nothing at all. Eventually you will grow tired of never arriving at fulfillment, you only see immediate gratification but it never lasts. Now you will see the pointlessness of it, and this will cause real inquiry into truth.

I hope you are blessed with this in this life, but if it does not happen, I hope you enjoy the ride.



I am not sure non-duality can be believed, it is very strange to fathom with mind. Mind cannot exist without distinctions of reality, without definitions for all that is. Belief is a function of mind, it is something which mind has accepted. When you choose to accept something instead of reject it, you have created a duality already, so you reject it either way. No, non-duality can only be understood by direct experience, then there is no acceptance or rejection - it is simply the case.

Thanks Luntik

Nice to see that you are open to the possibility of being wrong that shows humility.

thanks, I to wish to be blessed to know the truth free from labels, or else I will enjoy the trip.

As for non-duality it can be believed as a doctrine IMO.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

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[donnann]

Thanks Luntik

Nice to see that you are open to the possibility of being wrong that shows humility.

thanks, I to wish to be blessed to know the truth free from labels, or else I will enjoy the trip.

As for non-duality it can be believed as a doctrine IMO.

Its a three fold duality with oneness as well as well as being three. This threefold personality consisting of two is one entity. There is no such thing as one entity that is the total oneness of male and female. It simply doesnt work that way.

 

[donnann]

Its a three fold duality with oneness as well as well as being three. This threefold personality consisting of two is one entity. There is no such thing as one entity that is the total oneness of male and female. It simply doesnt work that way.

In other words if you had one body or one voice claiming to be the total oneness of male and female its a lie.

 

[Lunitik]

Its a three fold duality with oneness as well as well as being three. This threefold personality consisting of two is one entity. There is no such thing as one entity that is the total oneness of male and female. It simply doesnt work that way.

Male and female are manifest duality, necessary in this place...

Some here have said "angels" are male and female, perhaps they think spirits are as well. It is my understanding, if we wish to discuss in a Christian setting, that soul is individual and spirit is one - there is only ever the Holy Spirit, is there anything about others? All of the apostles are taking on the same Holy Spirit, are they now? All humans are to accept the Holy Spirit, is it not true of the Bible?

Father and Son represents a duality, the Manifest and Unmanifest, Holy Spirit is the transcendence of all dualities and is already present in each of us - although you will now know it unless you experience the Baptism by Fire of Jesus - this is the experience of the unity of life directly.

I can tell you that male and female is certainly not relevant in that experience, nothing of the body is relevant at all - you understand completely that you were never the body. You will have to drop the identification with male and female utterly, but it goes deep, in our society we train males and females to be a certain way that has nothing to do with the sexual apparatus. In the experience, there is a culmination of both male and female - both are within - but to arrive there it is my experience that first you must drop the identification with either.

Again I quote Jesus (according to Thomas):

Jesus said to them: when you make the two one,
and when you make the inner as the outer
and the outer as the inner, and the above as the below, and
When you make the male and the female into a single one,
so that the male will not be male and the female not be female,
then shall you enter the kingdom.

Christianity is a belief system, it is full of many nonsenses, but there is a truth that Jesus points to... find that and stop trusting in these men whose job is to fool you - the priests, the popes, etc. If you find truth for yourself, if all of their congregation finds truth, from where will they make their money? They have nothing else, no other skills...

 

[Lunitik]

In other words if you had one body or one voice claiming to be the total oneness of male and female its a lie.

Of course it is not of the body at all, you have heard spiritual words with a fleshly ear.

 

[Lunitik]

This is interesting to understand with words not the same, but with meaning united.

When what you see is love, when love is the experiencing, and when what was separation is now seen at unity existing as the life of interest and translation, then you shall enter the kingdom as a whole existence.

Indeed, which is exactly the experience of the "Kingdom of God" in Christianity. It is exactly what the woman in the original post has realized - and what I say is true religion. As I go on saying, religion means to rebind - to transcend the perceptions of separation.

I lot of your words present something of truth, but you seem to believe it somewhat rare. It is not as rare as you might think, although many interpret it very different - these interpretations show mind has returned.

 

[Lunitik]

This is interesting. The word empty is used here to describe the experience that is placed when someone is no longer receiving nervous system information (which is internal thought and lessor emotion). There is something to be said about the simultaneous placement of what is the communication and force of love that occurs. Do you understand a word that unites what is occurring. In other words, the removal of what can not be continued and the placement of what can. In Hebrew, this would be said as Shabbat Shalom and would be called Unity within the activity of christianity, even while human beings misunderstanding it within division (religion and other places), are not participating in it continuously.

I am not sure whether it is meaningful to name the experience, although words like samadhi, nirvana or moksha would probably be acceptable. Mooji calls it the Kingdom when speaking to Christians - he was Christian before going to Papaji. Elsewhere, for instance in the Tantra circles, it is called Mahamudra. Many call it Enlightenment in the West, the Sufi's call it Fana... it really doesn't matter what you call it, it only shows that mind wants to play a part still, wants to understand what has happened and label the happening.

 

[Lunitik]

There is life interested in talking to each other and knowing that they are discussing the same thing. This is united understanding ability. Others call it peace which imparts to provision of continuable interests to this area.

In most people, it seems we actually go outwards because going inward is scary. We occupy ourselves because we do not wish to experience what is called "boredom", and discussions with others entertains us despite usually serving no purpose. There is another aspect where we wish to share our enjoyments in life... we can call this relating, but it is nothing like a united understanding - if anything, agreement causes conversations to remain very surface oriented, disagreement is often more interesting because in the very disagreement you are forced to explain yourself in a more deep way.

For instance, I can say I enjoy playing soccer. If you play soccer, we will not discuss much of the game, we will simply go and play. You seem to suggest that I might have done the reverse, related my experience to what others have talked about at length. In reality, it is because your mind simply desires to pull these seemingly divergent subjects apart.

There is nothing rare about truth. Some experience truth rarely or back and forth and what is perpetual understanding of what can be called the Kingdom, is already happening here at this happenstance.

The very nature of spirituality is to remember this.

It is the usual situation that people become utterly identified with their memories and knowledge and actions. We believe these things are us, we become utterly obsessed with protecting this concept.

Religion is a way to understand that this is not so at all, it is a way to rediscover who we were before we were ever born, before the manifest universe was ever created.

There is something we will continue to do and that is to understand interest, understand those to translation and do and say something that will be built upon. Within some religions, this is called the Holy Spirit and this communication refers to the area of that realm that goes around (loops) continuously.

Since you are a thinking man, I might suggest a consideration for you to ponder: the Holy Spirit is what science has discovered as quanta. What are the ramifications? We can observe this only at the atomic level, this is only because at that level we are beginning to discover the more subtle aspects of reality - essentially exactly what Buddha has been describing 2500 years ago.

 

[Lunitik]

From the area of Thubten Yeshe: "Mahāmudrā means absolute seal, totality, unchangeability. Sealing something implies that you cannot destroy it. Mahāmudrā was not created or invented by anybody; therefore it cannot be destroyed. It is absolute reality".

This is the culmination of religious experience, yes... to live in this is to become divine. That absolute reality is a complete unity with existence itself, you lose the sense of "I" which you have developed and realize the truth of what you have always been... this is what all the mystics seek.

Bodhi or enlightenment is able to describe both the removal and the placement of what is the emotional experience that supports wisdom.

Bodhi is the same realization of Mahamudra, it is to function from your center, your heart, rather than be ruled by the head. Mind is the wall separating the inner and the outer. It should be used as a computer center, not as the way to perceive reality. This is the very nature of Wisdom according to mystic schools, as apposed to the parrot like situation which is arrived at through knowledge.

This is interesting pertaining to the removal or release aspect of Moksha: "Moksha is the liberation from suffering involved in reincarnation."

Moksha is the experience of not living from mind, mind is the cause of all suffering, you cannot even conclude that there is something wrong if you do not think about alternatives. Also, it is liberation from the mind which is spoken of, for mind has created maya, and it is maya which must be overcome.

Samsara, when understood as continuous flow, is describing the United Area (no back and forth).

This, you have simply misunderstood. Samsara is the normal experience of every human being, it is maya. The United Area - in your words - is utterly unflowing, it is the observer of all that flows and yet unaffected by it completely. It is from where all flow originates, the singularity of existence, whereas to experience anything meaningful we must observe and become intertwined with the plurality of this place.

When this place has lost its luster, now it is time to break free from it. That freedom has always been the case, but it becomes like a very long movie that you have simply grown bored of - you can just turn the television off and go do something else.