Ultimate truth = God

[Lunitik]

There is no such thing as beyond both. Thats the whole truth and revelation. It really is all about both. You speak as a child when you claim that you alone are complete and you have no opposite.....here listen to this song....its about growing up in that way........Tim McGraw: Don't take the girl - music video (lyrics in description) - YouTube

I tell you there is, but if you cannot believe me you will not experience it.

I do not claim I alone am complete, there have been millions like me, I only say it is the possibility of all sentient life to traverse - to allow the seed to grow into the tree.

 

[donnann]

I tell you there is, but if you cannot believe me you will not experience it.

I do not claim I alone am complete, there have been millions like me, I only say it is the possibility of all sentient life to traverse - to allow the seed to grow into the tree.

You cannot have infinite life alone. Its that simple.

 

[Lunitik]

This is the dignity of man, that he is not given his potential, he can achieve it of his own will. The animals have no such dignity, what they are is all they can be.

You are God mascarading as a person, I only say to see it.

 

[Lunitik]

You cannot have infinite life alone. Its that simple.

Infinite life cannot be otherwise, God is one.

In oneness, how can there be two? That one is perpetually alone, this is truth whether you wish to accept it or not. Truth does not care whether you accept it, only a lie is concerned with what you think or how you might respond...

Let this be the test for you: if it feels good, it is probably false.
If it makes you uncomfortable, it is probably significant.

This "you" is exactly what holds you back from realizing truth, it becomes uncomfortable because it realizes this will kill it. Observe this discomfort, watch the mind scramble to avoid. Can you see it is not your true self which is uncomfortable with it? Is the observer of this absurdity concerned at all?

 

[donnann]

Infinite life cannot be otherwise, God is one.

In oneness, how can there be two? That one is perpetually alone, this is truth whether you wish to accept it or not. Truth does not care whether you accept it, only a lie is concerned with what you think or how you might respond...

Let this be the test for you: if it feels good, it is probably false.
If it makes you uncomfortable, it is probably significant.

This "you" is exactly what holds you back from realizing truth, it becomes uncomfortable because it realizes this will kill it. Observe this discomfort, watch the mind scramble to avoid. Can you see it is not your true self which is uncomfortable with it? Is the observer of this absurdity concerned at all?

GOD has a counterpart. The ancients knew that. Male domination caused the hiding of that fact.

 

[Lunitik]

Find out who the observer is and all is revealed, all ignorance is because you do not know it.

 

[Lunitik]

GOD has a counterpart. The ancients knew that. Male domination caused the hiding of that fact.

Then what you call God arises in duality, which is something Shankara has said in the Advaita school. He has called this personality Ishwara meaning Lord, yet this personality admits it is not the absolute, it merely represents the absolute.

The ultimate is from where all opposites arise, find this. It is the Primal Point, and it is within you, indeed it is that center which you speak of - it is the true self.

Imagine: all opposites, top and bottom, down and up, left and right, forward and back, birth and death, inner and outer, subject and object, love and hate, right and wrong, however many you can think of, are all converging in your very center. Keep going with this exercise, see what arises there.

 

[donnann]

Find out who the observer is and all is revealed, all ignorance is because you do not know it.

I know the facts. Immature boys like to label the creator as being all male. Its not reality and one doesnt produce life you need two and always will.

 

[Lunitik]

I know the facts. Immature boys like to label the creator as being all male. Its not reality and one doesnt produce life you need two and always will.

I am not speaking of facts, I am speaking of experience.

You have imagined there be two, a male and female that has created all life. Is it actual, or are these two simply aspects of what has created them?

If it is actual, how have these two arisen? It is difficult enough to fathom that one person has appeared out of nothing, but now you say it is two... you will have to justify.

That oneness is not a being, for non-being is there in it. It is the unmanifest which has manifested all things, yet all this is just pointing at this place within you. Do not take it as something literal, how can any man know the beginnings of the universe? He can only know what is the case within himself. I am asking you to look at that, I am saying your true opposite is God and that right now you are as animal - you cannot yet be called human until the divine is realized.

If you want to say another way, humans are animals, and you have not realized yourself an angel. Either way the meaning is the same, just realize your own potential is all. It is only the animal which reacts on a whim to its every emotion and instinct, these are not divine characteristics at all.

 

[donnann]

I am not speaking of facts, I am speaking of experience.

You have imagined there be two, a male and female that has created all life. Is it actual, or are these two simply aspects of what has created them?

If it is actual, how have these two arisen? It is difficult enough to fathom that one person has appeared out of nothing, but now you say it is two... you will have to justify.

That oneness is not a being, for non-being is there in it. It is the unmanifest which has manifested all things, yet all this is just pointing at this place within you. Do not take it as something literal, how can any man know the beginnings of the universe? He can only know what is the case within himself. I am asking you to look at that, I am saying your true opposite is God and that right now you are as animal - you cannot yet be called human until the divine is realized.

If you want to say another way, humans are animals, and you have not realized yourself an angel. Either way the meaning is the same, just realize your own potential is all. It is only the animal which reacts on a whim to its every emotion and instinct, these are not divine characteristics at all.

Actually I have realized myself an angelic being but I do know I have a male counterpart. You have it backwards thinking that you will become one coming from two parents. There has always been two parents that are one and it will always be that way. I do not understand why you think that you alone can acheive to be something beyond the creator itself. Thats how fallen angels fell. Shows you that is not the way it is. They thought being as individuals a combination of male and female that as individuals they could somehow become one as individuals, it doesnt work that way and they fell. There is no such thing as that. Even the creator(s) are not that. That leads to death and even fallen angels have been dying cause of that concept. Each needs an opposite to have infinite life.

 

[Lunitik]

Actually I have realized myself an angelic being but I do know I have a male counterpart. You have it backwards thinking that you will become one coming from two parents. There has always been two parents that are one and it will always be that way. I do not understand why you think that you alone can acheive to be something beyond the creator itself. Thats how fallen angels fell. Shows you that is not the way it is. They thought being as individuals a combination of male and female that as individuals they could somehow become one as individuals, it doesnt work that way and they fell. There is no such thing as that. Even the creator(s) are not that. That leads to death and even fallen angels have been dying cause of that concept. Each needs an opposite to have infinite life.

There is no creator, nor is there any creation... this is another dualistic play.

All is simply creativity, the constant play of the one, without beginning or end for these too are dualistic. This is the state where first has become last and last has become first - because there is only one.

All exists now, it is perpetually now, no other time is possible, for when it passed it was now and when it comes it will again be now. Wheresoever you go, too, it is always here, where else can you be?

This is eternal and infinite life.

 

[Lunitik]

There and then cannot exist, they are concepts.

Only here and now is real, few ever catch hold of it though. Most just keep moving between past and future, stumbling through space heading no where in particular, just avoiding being here and now.

It is as a pendulum, even while you are headed in one direction, you are just gathering momentum to go in the other. Enlightenment happens in that moment when the pendulum stops its movement. The pendulum is the mind. Now for the first time you experience pure consciousness, new levels of awareness. This is what all the religions teach in their own ways.

This is Jerusalem - the place of peace.
This is the capitol of Israel - the reason why we struggle with God.

How many will find it? How many even realize it was never intended to be a physical place? New Jerusalem arises in your heart, not somewhere in the world.

 

[Lunitik]

These are salem and jihad in Islam.

It is not coincidence that jihad is declared on Israel, it is not coincidence that salem cannot be found on the streets of Jerusalem - has any city in history seen so much war?

These are false things, yet such is mans stupidity that he will give his life to honor that which has given it to him. He does not even see that he is giving God a slap in the face, yet still he expects heaven for it.

You simply show you do not treasure his present to you.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

There is no creator, nor is there any creation...
This is eternal and infinite.

You know what . . . I am opinionated, almost self-actualised, enlightened, righteous, over-bearing, holier-than-thou, almost an intellectual genius, spiritually blessed, a patriot, a servant of the servant of God, and even a fallen fool ---and that is what prompts me to post to these forums.

But Lunitk, what is your excuse for posting to these forums?

 

[radarmark]

I will make you a copy of your Mr Brown with a smirky Orbitz white flashy smile. You can be so over the top!

 

[donnann]

These are salem and jihad in Islam.

It is not coincidence that jihad is declared on Israel, it is not coincidence that salem cannot be found on the streets of Jerusalem - has any city in history seen so much war?

These are false things, yet such is mans stupidity that he will give his life to honor that which has given it to him. He does not even see that he is giving God a slap in the face, yet still he expects heaven for it.

You simply show you do not treasure his present to you.

The only jihad there should be is the strive for peace. It saddens me that some muslims dont even know what the true meaning of their own scriptures are.

 

[Lunitik]

You know what . . . I am opinionated, almost self-actualised, enlightened, righteous, over-bearing, holier-than-thou, almost an intellectual genius, spiritually blessed, a patriot, a servant of the servant of God, and even a fallen fool ---and that is what prompts me to post to these forums.

But Lunitk, what is your excuse for posting to these forums?

My only desire is to bring as many as I can home.

I would suggest you stop serving the servant and start serving the master. I would also suggest you drop each of these identifications, for it is like every other listing cancels the one before. You are not spiritually blessed if you are a patriot, you are materially oriented. You cannot be an intellectual genius and self-actualized, for this is the exact opposite of genius, it is innocence, utter wonderment. You cannot be righteous and overbearing, so much conflicts!

Who are you really? Who is the one that looks at all of these statements? It is a breakthrough for you in my presence for you see these things in yourself which I keep pointing to.

I am trying to break you down, but only to show you what cannot be broken.

Find that, but all concepts must fall, this is my compassion. Stop struggling with the wall and come through the door, you are worthy, you are being called, come.

 

[Lunitik]

The only jihad there should be is the strive for peace. It saddens me that some muslims dont even know what the true meaning of their own scriptures are.

How can mind understand heart?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

I will make you a copy of your Mr Brown with a smirky Orbitz white flashy smile. You can be so over the top!

Yes, and dare I say, "I am self-aware of it"

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Originally Posted by Lunitik My only desire is to bring as many as I can home.

Wow, Looney, that's the most in-coherent post I have seen you post!

 

[Lunitik]

What I point to is the only place where anything inter-faith can happen, for it is the only thing all have in common: all point at the way home.

Now dialog can happen, we can see that all paths have brought us to the same place, we can better understand each other from this place because all have experienced the same thing: pure love. No more does mind come in and complain, you send it off to find this and that to confirm what all is saying instead.

How can there be peace in the world when no one has found peace within themselves? Be the change you want to see, the only place of peace is that of oneness, for in oneness how can there be conflict?