When There Will Be One Religion

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Etu Malku said:
What's interesting here is that this idea of One Religion (One Ruler) is exactly what Constantine had in mind when he set out to murder all Pagans
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I agree one religion all that power in the hands of the priests :eek:
 
NiceCupOfTea said:
I agree one religion all that power in the hands of the priests :eek:
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If there is nothing else you accept from me, please accept this:

Priests are absolutely AGAINST religion.

Why? It is because if you encounter true religion, you will see they are just nothing, they have no idea about truth, they are more like college professors, if they knew anything at all they would be doing it, not teaching it.

I love the phrase "those who can, they do; those who can't, they teach", it is absolutely the case, because teachers do not earn even nearly what they would in the field they are instructing on. There has been a basic failure on their part, and these are the people who teach.

No true enlightened man will attempt to teach, he will instead try to bring you to a point where you can encounter it yourself. Whether you consider Jesus or Nanak your master, please know that if you remain below them, you have disrespected them. Yet it is the priests that have convinced you to remain so low... it is because they are even lower, they are absolutely the lowest form of man, because their whole life is about being less.

It is absolutely disrespectful of life that you do not live it fully, yet the saints, the priests, they are all absolutely against your coming to a totality of life, they will not permit you to find out what is the very peak... it is because their whole authority is based on this one man who once found it, if all are finding it they are out of business.
 
Lunitik said:
I wish people like Princely could just ask: Who will want to go to heaven if it is filled with people like him?

It is the running joke that people will prefer hell, at least their friends will be there, that is where the party is... etc... and in a strange way it is perfectly right, it seems heaven will be far more torturous than even the worst imagery for hell.
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Yes, ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and you shall enter.

Try it, then the Lord will be with you.

One heart and one way is what I will give them so they shall revere me always for their own good and the good of their children after them,says the Lord.
 
You all miss the bleeding obvious. If, and when, Humanity is able to recognize in significant numbers, we won't need to worry about all this naysaying which you geniuses have raised to a high point of perfection. :rolleyes:

Iow, we will KNOW why there is, and can only logically be One World Religion.

In the meantime, you may each be a part of either the solution, or the problem. Which is it? FOR, or AGAINST?

I understand perfectly well your arguments against, given your cynicism and rather limited perspective. But try to see the Big Picture here. This, and no less, is how you must work and serve if you truly wish to help move us one step CLOSER to the possibility of One World Religion.

Any idiot can be a cynic and a naysayer. It takes a SPECIAL KIND of idiot, however, to continue to advocate for sense & sanity, when everyone around can only imagine making waves - instead of sitting the hell down and helping keep the boat STEADY. :)
 
AndrewX said:
You all miss the bleeding obvious. If, and when, Humanity is able to recognize in significant numbers, we won't need to worry about all this naysaying which you geniuses have raised to a high point of perfection. :rolleyes:
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Iow, we will KNOW why there is, and can only logically be One World Religion.
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why ? its just a ghastly idea really, its a totalitarian dream or nightmare.

In the meantime, you may each be a part of either the solution, or the problem. Which is it? FOR, or AGAINST?
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your problem could be my solution and vice versa

I understand perfectly well your arguments against, given your cynicism and rather limited perspective. But try to see the Big Picture here. This, and no less, is how you must work and serve if you truly wish to help move us one step CLOSER to the possibility of One World Religion.
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no thanks

Any idiot can be a cynic and a naysayer. It takes a SPECIAL KIND of idiot, however, to continue to advocate for sense & sanity, when everyone around can only imagine making waves - instead of sitting the hell down and helping keep the boat STEADY. :)
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dunno what to say to this really. but its seems rather harsh and judgemental.
 
Princely said:
Yes, ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and you shall enter.

Try it, then the Lord will be with you.

One heart and one way is what I will give them so they shall revere me always for their own good and the good of their children after them,says the Lord.
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I speak from the living room, sipping on some tea.

You have still not recognized the one way, you have decided Jesus is it, but Jesus is pointing only. It says it is the Lord who has said this, if it is not Jesus specifically, who could be this Lord?

I will posit it is only God, yet I will also posit that God is only the way, you will have to find out why this is for your own good. The hint is that Jesus says "I and my father are one", and the conclusion is perfectly correct, Jesus is both divine and human.

So is Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Muhammad, Nanak, and countless others... how can you know the way from only one example? You will only emulate their expression upon arrival...
 
Friends,

This is a similar problem that the Early Quakers found when caught between Ranters (radical individualists) and Puritans (authoritarian Calvinists, not the free puritans).

See, the one world religion cannot be imposed nor can it hold such black and white opinions as "for or against". G!d does not work that way (IMHO).

But, on the other hand, it is really hard to keep from falling into real problems of the flesh (drugs, sex, me-ism). The early radical Protestants in Europe (or the Ranters in England) did occasionally wonder off into all those alleged Gnostic (and Sabbateanistic) rat holes.

So the problem is to find the Middle Way between solipsism and totalitarianism (I am not saying anyone here is either, so please do not take it that way).
 
Lunitik said:
I speak from the living room, sipping on some tea.

You have still not recognized the one way, you have decided Jesus is it, but Jesus is pointing only. It says it is the Lord who has said this, if it is not Jesus specifically, who could be this Lord?

I will posit it is only God, yet I will also posit that God is only the way, you will have to find out why this is for your own good. The hint is that Jesus says "I and my father are one", and the conclusion is perfectly correct, Jesus is both divine and human.

So is Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Muhammad, Nanak, and countless others... how can you know the way from only one example? You will only emulate their expression upon arrival...
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Jesus didn't say that verse about one heart and one way, at least it is not recorded He said that. It originated in the OT.In one of the books of the prophets.Isaiah, I think.The Lord is the God of the living not of the dead. He is the God of those who are faithful and walk in His ways.He is the God of Israel His servant.

"I will put salvation in Zion and give to Israel my glory. My glory I give to no other."

Buddha and all the others you mention were not Israel, the servant of the Lord. To follow them you will have no life.
 
Princely,

You are entitled to that opinion, but really, why bother? I had this test for Campus Crusade for Christers in San Bernardino (back when they were small and local). "If G!d gave Hitler enought time between pulling the trigger and that bullett snuffing out his life to repent and he sincerely did, would he be in Heaven?" Of course (usual answer). "Ganhi on the other hand consistently passed in becoming a Christian, in accepting Christ as his Savior so he must be in Hell, right?" Right (ususal answer). "If G!d is really that fickle and wrong-headed, I choose to spend eternity next to Gandhi." Usually no answer.

See, we have grown beyond the cruelty of an OT G!d and the whimsical nature of a NT G!d (Calvinism, by faith alone). While we can find somewhere to discuss the notion of biblical inerrancy bringing it up as regularly as you do adds little (nothing, IMHO) to the conversation, other than you expessing disapproval.
 
When we put our neighbour before ourselves?

God bless,

Thomas
 
Lunitik said:
Zarathustra once said:

ONCE YOU SAID 'GOD' WHEN YOU GAZED UPON DISTANT SEAS; BUT NOW I HAVE TAUGHT
YOU TO SAY 'SUPERMAN'.

GOD IS A SUPPOSITION; BUT I WANT YOUR SUPPOSING TO REACH NO FURTHER THAN
YOUR CREATING WILL.

COULD YOU CREATE A GOD? - SO BE SILENT ABOUT ALL GODS! BUT YOU COULD SURELY
CREATE THE SUPERMAN.

PERHAPS NOT YOU YOURSELVES, MY BROTHERS! BUT YOU COULD TRANSFORM
YOURSELVES INTO FOREFATHERS AND ANCESTORS OF THE SUPERMAN: AND LET THIS
BE YOUR FINEST CREATING!

GOD IS A SUPPOSITION: BUT I WANT YOUR SUPPOSING TO BE BOUNDED BY
CONCEIVABILITY.

COULD YOU CONCEIVE A GOD? - BUT MAY THE WILL TO TRUTH MEAN THIS TO YOU:

THAT EVERYTHING SHALL BE TRANSFORMED INTO THE HUMANLY-CONCEIVABLE, THE
HUMANLY-EVIDENT, THE HUMANLY-PALPABLE! YOU SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR OWN SENSES
TO THE END!

It does not seem to uphold any God, yet Ahura Mazda means "light of wisdom", this highlights the experience of Satori for the Buddhists. When people realize this experience is the rationale for all God's we will hopefully come together to figure out how all can experience this, then we can have a civilization full of "supermen".

First we have to realize the very notion of God is supposition, but 2500 years after Zarathustra we do not seem closer at all to this understanding, man remains mostly in the imagination when approaching truth.

We must bring religion back to reality before there can be "One Religion".
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I think your citations above should be attributed to Friedrich Nietzsche rather than Zarathustra...:)
 
radarmark said:
Princely,

You are entitled to that opinion, but really, why bother? I had this test for Campus Crusade for Christers in San Bernardino (back when they were small and local). "If G!d gave Hitler enought time between pulling the trigger and that bullett snuffing out his life to repent and he sincerely did, would he be in Heaven?" Of course (usual answer). "Ganhi on the other hand consistently passed in becoming a Christian, in accepting Christ as his Savior so he must be in Hell, right?" Right (ususal answer). "If G!d is really that fickle and wrong-headed, I choose to spend eternity next to Gandhi." Usually no answer.

See, we have grown beyond the cruelty of an OT G!d and the whimsical nature of a NT G!d (Calvinism, by faith alone). While we can find somewhere to discuss the notion of biblical inerrancy bringing it up as regularly as you do adds little (nothing, IMHO) to the conversation, other than you expessing disapproval.
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I am not a Christian. About Hitler, no he wouldn't go to heaven. To get into heaven you must be righteous. So you put Gandhi above Jesus I presume, since what I teach is the same as Him.Jesus taught the OT same as I. The words He spoke so do I.He said someone would come and take from what is His and declare it to the world. He called him the spirit of truth. I am that spirit of truth.Anyone who rejects me ,rejects the Lord who sent me. There had to come a time when the son of man would come. I am the son of man.

"The son of man is coming at a time you least expect."
Could this possibly be that time?

"Stay awake or you won't know when your Lord has come."

"Call upon me and I will answer you, I will show you great things, beyond the reach of your knowledge, says the Lord."
 
Princely said:
Buddha and all the others you mention were not Israel, the servant of the Lord. To follow them you will have no life.
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Strange, because when I visit Churches, I see no life there either, but Buddha has been instrumental in helping me finding the source of life in myself.

Israel doesn't mean 'servant of the Lord', it means 'to struggle with the Lord' - it actually means the same as the Muslim 'jihad', although the connotations have becomes quite different.
 
Thomas said:
When we put our neighbour before ourselves?
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Actually, I would say this is part of the current problem.

We place our neighbor above ourselves too much, now we feel if we go our own way we are somehow offending them, we sacrifice our own truths to maintain these relationships.

Truth must always be individual.
 
Lunitik said:
Strange, because when I visit Churches, I see no life there either, but Buddha has been instrumental in helping me finding the source of life in myself.

Israel doesn't mean 'servant of the Lord', it means 'to struggle with the Lord' - it actually means the same as the Muslim 'jihad', although the connotations have becomes quite different.
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That is correct,churches are dead.Buddha may help you find the life of man but not eternal life, which is in the Lord.

If you knew the word of the Lord, you would know that Israel is the servant of the Lord. I am Israel.

"You are my witnesses Israel, my servants whom I have chosen", says the Lord.

I am the way the truth and the life of the Lord.
 
Princely said:
If you knew the word of the Lord, you would know that Israel is the servant of the Lord. I am Israel.

"You are my witnesses Israel, my servants whom I have chosen", says the Lord.

I am the way the truth and the life of the Lord.
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I am the Word.

Yet, you show your ignorance of the Bible here.

Why has Jacob been given the name?

Those who struggle with the Lord know the Lord directly, those who serve the Lord blindly cannot assist because they do not have the light - they are more apt to cause harm, as, for me, your words do.

You have managed to make something beautiful completely disgusting!

That takes real talent, I bow to you.
 
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