When There Will Be One Religion

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Genesis shows the life of man originates with the Lord, his breath is our spirit.

In the New Testament, it states "You have your life in God, and he in you", it means again that God is within each man, this is what Buddha and other meditators point to, compelling all to find that place where God resides within us. Indeed, to discover we are not other than that. The Church Fathers have said something beautiful "God has become man so that man can become God", yet in reality there was never any becoming at all, God remains God, he simply lives through each of us for a time, experiences his creation through us.

We experience birth and death because each expression cannot last forever, it simply becomes boring, it runs its course and is no longer useful, the only salvation from the fear identification with the transitory brings is to realize you yourself are not transitory, that you remain God experiencing himself. It is as a thought process or dream, a particular idea - if you only think this thought for all eternity you cannot grow, yet God is reaching for new heights with each of us. You will find this blasphemous because God is perfect for you, but if he is perfect why does he desire all this? I have read something once, that existence has been created by God contemplating on death - he is immortal, how will he understand it? He has willed his own destruction that he might figure it out - yet he has not died in it, he resides in each cell of the atmosphere still. It concludes that existence itself is the activity of trying to put God back together again, and for me it is beautiful.

Inquire who you are free from all ideas about yourself and the world around you, that is enlightenment, all else is just a consolation.
 
Of course, the idea that God has destroyed himself to try to understand death has probably arisen from the puzzle of the Big Bang. We cannot say what has caused the Big Bang, and this theory seems as valid as any other to me. Many will accept the theories of their Scriptures above all else, for me this is the definition of retarded - you are incapable of moving forward at the pace of those around you, and in turn slow the advancements of others...

There is no need to take God out of the equation, but you must understand that eventually Science will find out what - objectively - God actually is. It does not invalidate the subjective experience of God, it is simply another perspective of the same truth. It does not realize it yet, but actually Science has found what God is objectively: it is simply energy, but as yet Science is unwilling to accept that energy can be intelligent, despite the fact that our own intelligence arises from nothing but electrical pulses... active energy...

The whole evolutionary process shows that energy is intelligent, for it is constantly aware of changes around it and adapts perfectly to the new conditions. Man is the highest form of intelligence we know in the physical realm exactly because of his ability to adapt so well. Yet energy has created man, how much more intelligent must it be? You can say God has created energy, fine then he is infinitely more intelligent still, but then again we ask "how has God come about?" because his creator must be infinitely more intelligent again. We fall into the same logical repetition, where people in the past have decided to leave it at God, it is absolutely necessary to at some point cease the exercise of logic because it cannot provide answers.

In seeking that source of life within each of us though, there simply ceases to be any questions. There is no more a need to go further because you understand what it is, you cannot know why it is - only theories are possible - but that it is is enough now, you are simply grateful. For me, if your idea of God cannot be grateful that even he is, I cannot call that entity God... any true God must also recognize it needn't have been either, but this Jehovah fellow seems utterly angry about everything, that it is not going his way... he needs to see a psychiatrist because he does not seem mentally healthy at all.
 
For me, God must also have arisen in energy, perhaps the first consciousness to recognize itself and utter "I am", but it never seems to look at its own nature, it is too busy trying to gain others acceptance that "yes, indeed you are". This is the basis of most psychological problems the way I see it though, we are all seeking acceptance from others, we cannot simply accept ourselves, it is because we don't really understand who we are.

This, the orthodox religious among you will not agree with at all, most likely. That is perfectly fine, but please consider what I have said, be a little open to it, at least to honestly check your own beliefs as they stand today and see whether they seem rational.
 
Lunitik said:
For me, God must also have arisen in energy, perhaps the first consciousness to recognize itself and utter "I am", but it never seems to look at its own nature, it is too busy trying to gain others acceptance that "yes, indeed you are".
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I agree God is within energy, but energy is a small part of God. :)

But I do not think God frets about acceptance - Man has always created divinity In His Own Image, and then generations follow after fretting about whether they're looking at the image properly - forgetting that all they are looking at is an image of Man, not Divinity itself, which is so far beyond human comprehension that most people need these simple anthropomorphisms.

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Lunitik,

Do you propose that you are teaching Christianity here?
This is the Christian Forum, it is understood that all who participate would be doing so under the tenets of Christianity, not proselytizing their own system.

This website is not your playground and soapbox.
 
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I agree God is within energy, but energy is a small part of God. :)

But I do not think God frets about acceptance - Man has always created divinity In His Own Image, and then generations follow after fretting about whether they're looking at the image properly - forgetting that all they are looking at is an image of Man, not Divinity itself, which is so far beyond human comprehension that most people need these simple anthropomorphisms.

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You are perfectly correct that it cannot be known through normal human comprehension, but the very fact these men are talking about it means it is possible to go beyond this barrier. It seems to me that instead of trying, most are fine imagining and then worshiping their own imaginings - it is quite strange to me, but the religions seem to be merely a particular agreed upon basis for that imagining.

It is frustrating, because it is the very process of imagining which brings us away from truth. Thinking about distracts us from experiencing directly, but actually many walking the earth do encounter moments where truth is recognized directly - each is a moment outside normal human comprehension! These men which we worship are not speaking on their imaginings, this is their direct experience, why are we not striving to experience it ourselves? When truth is recognized directly, antagonism is not possible, there is no need to prove it. When you don't really really know yourself, you will argue almost as much to convince yourself as the other. Your ego is on the line, because your religion is a basic part of most peoples identifications.

All that must be done is to stop projecting onto reality, stop trying to understand reality and simply encounter the real - this is all Buddha has done for 45 years, trying to point out what is clouding truth that you can encounter it directly, for me he is the best teacher that has ever lived, although his conclusions are extremely dry and basically anti-life it seems to me, it is not a gift to him.

I cannot respect any man that is not grateful that they are, that seems to take life for granted, and worse still seems to be against it in the first place. Still, I consider him among the most insightful into the nature of human psyche - he just goes a little too far, he doesn't seem human, grounded.
 
Etu Malku said:
Lunitik,

Do you propose that you are teaching Christianity here?
This is the Christian Forum, it is understood that all who participate would be doing so under the tenets of Christianity, not proselytizing their own system.

This website is not your playground and soapbox.
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I have no system, I am using Christianity to show truth as Jesus used Judaism to the same end.

I am Christ, the only trouble is the Churches misunderstanding, if indeed any trouble should arise at all.

I speak with the same mind as Jesus, the Holy Spirit moves me as it moved him, it is only those who cannot recognize it who will not look. Then it becomes only as the Jews who crucified Jesus, they are too stuck in their orthodoxy to see authentic truth here and now.
 
Lunitik said:
I am the Word.

Yet, you show your ignorance of the Bible here.

Why has Jacob been given the name?

Those who struggle with the Lord know the Lord directly, those who serve the Lord blindly cannot assist because they do not have the light - they are more apt to cause harm, as, for me, your words do.

You have managed to make something beautiful completely disgusting!

That takes real talent, I bow to you.
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"The wicked will not stand in judgement nor sinners in the assembly of the just."

Offer to God praise as a sacrifice and fulfill your vows to the most high, then call upon me in your time of distress and I will rescue you and you shall glorify me ,says the Lord

Anyone who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no dishonesty in his heart.

Seek the Lord so you will live.
 
Lunitik said:
Can there be two natures of life?

I simply say the nature of life itself is the Lord.
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No, you do not say that. If you did you would seek Him and keep His ways, but no, you seek your own glory and speak on your own authority.

The One who comes from God, he speaks the words of God. I come from Him he sent me.The Lord and I are One.I do nothing on my own, I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him.

"You've been told what is good and what the Lord requires of you, only to do what is right love goodness and walk humbly with the Lord your God."
 
Lunitik said:
Strange, because when I visit Churches, I see no life there either, but Buddha has been instrumental in helping me finding the source of life in myself.

Israel doesn't mean 'servant of the Lord', it means 'to struggle with the Lord' - it actually means the same as the Muslim 'jihad', although the connotations have becomes quite different.
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I never said Israel meant that. But scripture says that the servant of the Lord is Israel as I have posted. Here is how Jacob was given the name Israel.

"Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day. Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob's hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. And He said, "Let Me go, for the day breaks." But he said, "I will not let You go unless You bless me!" So He said to him, "What is your name?" He said, "Jacob." And He said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed." Then Jacob asked, saying, "Tell me Your name, I pray." And He said, "Why is it that you ask about My name?" And He blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Just as he crossed over Penuel the sun rose on him, and he limped on his hip. Therefore to this day the children of Israel do not eat the muscle that shrank, which is on the hip socket, because He touched the socket of Jacob's hip in the muscle that shrank.
 
Princely, just stop for a moment, do you not see another Christ in your midst? Why are you fighting me? I only seek to bring others to the Lord, I simply say that repeating scripture is not the way. Scripture has been relevant in its particular setting, but this is not that same setting, so why are you repeating the same words?

This is not the same audience Jesus spoke before, how can the words he spoke be applicable? You must speak to the audience, not at the audience. It must be relevant, else you are just wasting your time.

I am the Lord, there is no other identification in this body. How can I seek the glory of this body when there is no "I" within it? As Jesus said, my own authority is for naught, because I am not, only the Lord speaks through me. Scripture details some aspects of Jesus' life, but even then it is not his full teaching - despite his ministry being only 3 years. The Gospels cover at most 20 days of Jesus' life, yet you pick and choose from that to speak to people.

I cannot say you have the mind which was in Christ, because you can only speak through the scarce documentation about his words. Stop trying to fool people, you are not impressing anyone, you just look delusional.
 
If you had this same mind, you would not even need scripture, you would simply know. You would be able to speak spontaneously from that place where God resides in these bodies, but you cannot.

What of Jesus' words can be found in the Old Testament? There is nothing except when he quotes it directly, yet still you do not see that he has not merely repeated as you do. He has utterly responded to his audience, his very beauty is in his spontaneous, yet in you there is none.

The New Testament calls for us all to endeavor beyond Jesus, to go even higher than what he touched, yet you cannot even fathom that God resides in you. You are a phony, a believer with no basis for his belief, you are just talking nonsense and expecting people to respect you.

Have some dignity, I'm pretty sure that isn't considered a sin?
 
Please DO NOT believe you are doing the Lord any justice.

He squirms at your every address.
 
Lunitik said:
Nietzche studied Zarathustra, so it is easy to recognize why you might think this.
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It is Nietzche, from his novel Thus Spake Zarathustra, chapter XXIV.

Thus Spake Zarathustra, by Friedrich Nietzsche


XXIV. IN THE HAPPY ISLES.

The figs fall from the trees, they are good and sweet; and in falling the red skins of them break. A north wind am I to ripe figs.
Thus, like figs, do these doctrines fall for you, my friends: imbibe now their juice and their sweet substance! It is autumn all around, and clear sky, and afternoon.
Lo, what fullness is around us! And out of the midst of superabundance, it is delightful to look out upon distant seas.
Once did people say God, when they looked out upon distant seas; now, however, have I taught you to say, Superman.
God is a conjecture: but I do not wish your conjecturing to reach beyond your creating will.
Could ye CREATE a God?—Then, I pray you, be silent about all Gods! But ye could well create the Superman.
Not perhaps ye yourselves, my brethren! But into fathers and forefathers of the Superman could ye transform yourselves: and let that be your best creating!—
God is a conjecture: but I should like your conjecturing restricted to the conceivable.
Could ye CONCEIVE a God?—But let this mean Will to Truth unto you, that everything be transformed into the humanly conceivable, the humanly visible, the humanly sensible! Your own discernment shall ye follow out to the end!
And what ye have called the world shall but be created by you: your reason, your likeness, your will, your love, shall it itself become! And verily, for your bliss, ye discerning ones!
And how would ye endure life without that hope, ye discerning ones? Neither in the inconceivable could ye have been born, nor in the irrational.
But that I may reveal my heart entirely unto you, my friends: IF there were gods, how could I endure it to be no God! THEREFORE there are no Gods.
Yea, I have drawn the conclusion; now, however, doth it draw me.—
God is a conjecture: but who could drink all the bitterness of this conjecture without dying? Shall his faith be taken from the creating one, and from the eagle his flights into eagle-heights?
God is a thought—it maketh all the straight crooked, and all that standeth reel. What? Time would be gone, and all the perishable would be but a lie?
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mojobadshah said:
All the religions of the world, that are considered by their patrons to be universal religions are premature. I don't know if these can be considered world religions but take Hinduism for example. The central figures in the Hindu religion are Hindus, and the Hindus worship Brahma, a Hindu name, and therefore a Hindu god. The central figure in the Zarathushtrian religion is Zarathushtra, an Aryan, and the God of the Aryans is called Mazda Ahura. The central figure in Islam is Mohammad, an Arab, and Allah, the God of the Muslims is an Arabic derived name. Christianity is a little bit different, but not too much. It was sort of an accident or uncalculated determination for Constantine to have made the official religion of Rome one that is based in the Judaic tradition and not the Roman one. For Yahweh is a Jewish (Hebrew) name of God and Jesus, also a Jewish (Hebrew) name is the central figure in Christianity. Thinking about it I actually find it somewhat offensive that the Godhead of a claimed universal religion would be attributed to any one person bearing a distinct ethnic origin and people would actually consider it truth. The world has only just recently become a smaller place. But there are thousands upon thousands of distinct languages spoken in the world. There isn't a 1 world language much less a 1 world state. I think this is what the ancients took for granted and why their religions will ultimately never work, unless they are to deceive the people or "work mysteriously." A 1 world religion would never have worked until the world was 1 world first, and it would have to have a happened back when the ancients lived because these days people are too smart for a religion unless its the negation of religion itself. Any thoughts?
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I look forward to the day when there will be no need for a religion because everyone will be living in paradise ;)
 
Lunitik said:
If you had this same mind, you would not even need scripture, you would simply know. You would be able to speak spontaneously from that place where God resides in these bodies, but you cannot.

What of Jesus' words can be found in the Old Testament? There is nothing except when he quotes it directly, yet still you do not see that he has not merely repeated as you do. He has utterly responded to his audience, his very beauty is in his spontaneous, yet in you there is none.

The New Testament calls for us all to endeavor beyond Jesus, to go even higher than what he touched, yet you cannot even fathom that God resides in you. You are a phony, a believer with no basis for his belief, you are just talking nonsense and expecting people to respect you.

Have some dignity, I'm pretty sure that isn't considered a sin?
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You are in the dark and cannot see that I am the light.Get wisdom get understanding. She is more precious than gold or silver, she is life to the righteous but the wicked refuse correction.

If you do not come to believe I am the son of God you will surely die in your sin.

What part of "AS the Father sent me that is how I send you" do you not understand.

You simply refuse to humble yourself and walk in the paths of the Lord.The word of the Lord is applicable today just as in the past.If He says to do it then it is applicable whether man likes it or not.

"Once you have the light keep faith in the light and you will become a child of light".

Speaking to Israel, Gods servant, the Lord says this; The Lord will be your light, your God shall be your glory."

"The Lord will be your light forever, your days of mourning will be at an end, all your people will be just they will always possess the land."
 
Lunitik said:
Please DO NOT believe you are doing the Lord any justice.

He squirms at your every address.
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You do not know justice or you would believe in me.

"Justice will bring about peace and right will bring about rest."

"Sow justice for yourself and reap the fruits of piety." That's the Lord who lives in me and I in him. The works I do in my Fathers name bear witness for me. If you do not want to put faith in me then put faith in the works, so you will see that the Lord is in me and I in Him.
 
Princely said:
You simply refuse to humble yourself and walk in the paths of the Lord
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No, I refuse to be a sucker for nonsense, that is all.

If this means I must spend eternity in hell, it will be worth it, for remaining a slave to another is not worth eternal life. If you accept those terms, honestly, I feel sorry for you that you think so negatively of yourself. It is not arrogance which I speak from, but humility is just the ego standing on its head, the ego coming in the back door. It has tricked you again...

I am without ego, I speak from the heart which is the heart of existence itself. You simply accept your chains gleefully, I see that there are none, and thus claim my freedom. Depending on no other for salvation, it cannot be taken from me either, this is dignity of which you know nothing.
 
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