When There Will Be One Religion

[radarmark]

Mojobadshah, who said anything about supernaturalism? That takes it into something I was not disucssing. In general pantheists, panentheists, and auto-theists do not hold a supernatural deity (or at least do not have to). Separate the idea of something "not natural" from belief in a higher power. Supernaturalism would be (like agnosticism) a separate axis.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

God revealed to Jesus? Are you serious? That was all politics. God (in the Levant sense) never revealed anything to anyone. We know that a lot of the expressions in the New Testament originated elsewhere. One of the people who these ideas originated with were the Aryans. The Aryans are alive an well. Christians were deluded into Christianity. It's not like they willingly accepted this Semitic heritage and rejected the Aryan heritage. They were subjected to it and now it's ingrained. Even I have trouble denying that. But its this delusion called religion that ties the Aryan people to the Jews, Semites. Beyond they have more commonalities to the Aryan heritage all sprung from the Proto-Aryan (Indo-European) language, culture, and history. Conservative Protestant Christians are deluded. If they want to support the Jewish state so much they should just live there. They can go to Isreal. Pick up the Israeli or Semitic language Hebrew, and adopt their Israeli culture and celebrate observations like Chanakah. The Aryan word is much more widespread than the Hebrew word.

so despite the fact that the Bible, says that we are all the same in Christ therefore Jew, Gentile, Aryan mail of Female is not important.

and that gentiles can be grafted into the root of Jesse. Despite the fact the the Bible refutes your claims quite clearly you still continue with them ?

that leads me to conclude that your mind is closed

 

[radarmark]

Abstract ideas ("God", "Truth". "Justice", "The Theory of Relativity", "Sceientific Method") are not static. They are memes that spread and mutate and evolve.

The abstract idea of "I" is present in the Gaths, the OT, the NT, the Quran, the Guru Granth, and the Bahai texts. Does it mean the same in every instance, of course not! Sould it be claimed as the property of whatever Neanderthal though it up? Again, of course not. The same goes for the abstract idea that is indicated by a word in any of these Scriptures in any language.

To seriously consider concepts as unchanging and set in stone is just really Medieval--"awful" is not used the same way it was in Beowulf.

If there are Zorastrian concepts in the OT, so what? They are no longer the same concepts--they are evolved and changed and added to by the insights and revelations of those who both orally composed and later revised as they wrote down the words therein.

If there are Greek or Egyptian or Jewish schematic concepts in the NT, again, so what? Those memes evolved into something different.

My gosh, even in the original languages the Scriptures, as really really complex memes, have evolved. The tetragrammaton has changed in the last 4,000 years.

Conservative Protestants, Liberal (even unitarian universalist) Protestants, all forms of Catholics and Orthodox all have sperate beliefs. And that pool of beliefs are different from those of the Jews or the Muslims or the Bahais or the Sikhs or the Parsies. To think otherwise is to somehow believe that Religious membership is innate. If that were true we can all claim to be shamanistic (probably the oldest form of religion for all huimanity).

Not just closed, NCOT, but vaulted!

 

[Etu Malku]

Agnosticism can be used as separate axis. But I beleive (correct me if I am wrong) that in gerneral Luciferians are auto-theists (the diety is within).

Ahhh . . . auto-theism! Never heard of it . . . off to read up.

 

[mojobadshah]

Mojobadshah, who said anything about supernaturalism? That takes it into something I was not disucssing. In general pantheists, panentheists, and auto-theists do not hold a supernatural deity (or at least do not have to). Separate the idea of something "not natural" from belief in a higher power. Supernaturalism would be (like agnosticism) a separate axis.

I realize that you're interpretation of God is not the same as the Levant interpretation of God, and I totally respect that. You believe everyone has a higher power. I can accept that. That's a really beautiful thing.

so despite the fact that the Bible, says that we are all the same in Christ therefore Jew, Gentile, Aryan mail of Female is not important.

and that gentiles can be grafted into the root of Jesse. Despite the fact the the Bible refutes your claims quite clearly you still continue with them ?

that leads me to conclude that your mind is closed

My mind's not closed. I'm wide awake. That's why unlike the billions of Indo-European (Aryan) Christians and Muslims out there who have overlooked the fact that the worldviews of their respective faiths are Semitic and not Aryan I have not. You try to interpret scripture however you want, but the fact remains that Christianity was invented by Jews for Jews and that's why the central figure in Christianity, Jesus, is a Jew, and Jesus is equated with God which means that anyone who subjects themselves to Christianity subjects themselves to a Judeo-Christian authority structure and not for example, an Aryan authority structure. You think that the Jews care about the Aryans, no. The Jews care about the Jews. Aryans, on the other hand, who have been brainwashed by Judeo-Christian ideals care about the Jews because they see an artificial connection to the Jews through their scriptures. I'm an Aryan that refuses to kowtow to a non-Aryan belief system, especially one that that is founded in myth and places non-Aryans at the top of the hierarchy. I'm not a Jew for Jesus. I'm an Aryan for the Aryans. It's the rational choice. The priests and the mullahs are not Aryans for Aryans. They're robbing the Aryans of their genuine heritage, and bringing Aryans over to the Jews and the Muslims. There are more of us then there are them. We should be bringing the Jews and the Muslims over to the Aryans.

 

[mojobadshah]

If there are Zorastrian concepts in the OT, so what? They are no longer the same concepts--they are evolved and changed and added to by the insights and revelations of those who both orally composed and later revised as they wrote down the words therein.

What we're talking about here are essentially expressions that were a product of the Aryan "authors" (the collective psyche of the Aryan people) and that were adopted and modified by Abrahamic "authors." But they're more than that. They're not universal expressions. Before these expressions were adopted by the Abrahamic people they were unheard throughout the entire world. This is according to convention. In other words they were not universal expressions, but ones originated by the Aryan community. Even after they had been modified, from what I expect would be the legal standpoint, the Abrahamic expressions still resembled the Zarathushtrian expressions enough to be deemed an infringement upon the Zarathushtrian community (SEE https://www.google.com/search?q=Captain+Marvel+%2B+Superman&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=gN6&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=Captain+Marvel+%2B+Superman+%2B+lawsuit&oq=Captain+Marvel+%2B+Superman+%2B+lawsuit&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...8801l11285l1l12513l10l10l0l0l0l1l834l5330l3-3j3j2j2l10l0.frgbld.&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=ac019615ea70a3af&biw=1193&bih=600), especially from a cultural heritage law perspective. There is no limit to how long a Traditional Cultural Expression can be protected for according to cultural heritage law advocates. This line of thinking may go a little beyond the bounds of what Cultural Heritage Law seeks to do, but what it means is that it does make a difference, that the expression Jesus "the son of Yahweh" was a borrowed expression and based on the expression Zarathushtra "the son of Ahuramazda." Zarathushtra probably really lived, was human just like the rest of us, but was deified, raised to the level of godhead, by his successors. This idea circulated through the Aryan Empires of the Persians, Parthians, and Sassanians, where the Aryanized Jews picked up on it and created their own version of the deified Zarathushtra and called him Jesus. One is authentic. The other is a copy.

 

[seattlegal]

I realize that you're interpretation of God is not the same as the Levant interpretation of God, and I totally respect that. You believe everyone has a higher power. I can accept that. That's a really beautiful thing.



My mind's not closed. I'm wide awake. That's why unlike the billions of Indo-European (Aryan) Christians and Muslims out there who have overlooked the fact that the worldviews of their respective faiths are Semitic and not Aryan I have not. You try to interpret scripture however you want, but the fact remains that Christianity was invented by Jews for Jews and that's why the central figure in Christianity, Jesus, is a Jew, and Jesus is equated with God which means that anyone who subjects themselves to Christianity subjects themselves to a Judeo-Christian authority structure and not for example, an Aryan authority structure. You think that the Jews care about the Aryans, no. The Jews care about the Jews. Aryans, on the other hand, who have been brainwashed by Judeo-Christian ideals care about the Jews because they see an artificial connection to the Jews through their scriptures. I'm an Aryan that refuses to kowtow to a non-Aryan belief system, especially one that that is founded in myth and places non-Aryans at the top of the hierarchy. I'm not a Jew for Jesus. I'm an Aryan for the Aryans. It's the rational choice. The priests and the mullahs are not Aryans for Aryans. They're robbing the Aryans of their genuine heritage, and bringing Aryans over to the Jews and the Muslims. There are more of us then there are them. We should be bringing the Jews and the Muslims over to the Aryans.

What's all this hub-bub with culture wars and such? I really don't understand. Heritage? We are all human.

 

[Lunitik]

What's all this hub-bub with culture wars and such? I really don't understand. Heritage? We are all human.

Idealism doesn't change the facts...

Racism is becoming more and more militarized the world over, terrorism is all about cultural differences, the list is endless.

Do not be so naive, it is all the nature of separation, of people believing different groups are correct, basically being followers. It is the sort of thing I go on talking about, it is why I insist belief is disgusting, because it shows time and time again that it is so.

Divisions are there because egos need justifying, yet you often defend your own ego.

It means you are part of the problem you are ignoring in this post.

 

[Lunitik]

Whenever we identify with a particular group, automatically there is a need to defend it. He has simply done exactly this, a fluke of birth has caused him to pick a particular religion and to be against another group. No one chooses their race or culture, their nation or even sex, yet we all define ourselves by these accidents of birth. We are ready to die for something we didn't even choose simply because we have been told we should stand up for it... in the case of armies, history shows that no civilization ever lasts very long, yet still we are ready to die so this set of leaders isn't overrun by that set. This we think is being part of something bigger than ourselves, it is simply foolish.

I wonder how many ever wonder how different they'd be without any of this? Yet, this is what I go on pointing to, that raw awareness that even watches the "I" statement. The very nature of who we each are - we find it is exactly the same essence in each of us, and that is God, oneness.

 

[seattlegal]

Idealism doesn't change the facts...

Racism is becoming more and more militarized the world over, terrorism is all about cultural differences, the list is endless.

Ahh, so it's just an excuse to commit evil? Silly, imo. There is so much that can be learned from different cultures.

Do not be so naive, it is all the nature of separation, of people believing different groups are correct, basically being followers. It is the sort of thing I go on talking about, it is why I insist belief is disgusting, because it shows time and time again that it is so.

Belief is not necessarily evil in and of itself. It's when individuals use it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem.

Divisions are there because egos need justifying, yet you often defend your own ego.

Divisions are useful for seeing different perspectives. Again, division in and of itself is not necessarily evil. It's when individuals use it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem. (Once again.)

It means you are part of the problem you are ignoring in this post.

Oh, I'm not ignoring the problem, by any means. I've looked at it closely, and have drawn my own conclusion that cultural war for the sake of cultural war is just plain silly, imo. It is a very flimsy excuse to commit evil. If more people would refuse to recognize "but it's part of our culture" as a valid excuse to commit evil, the "cultural wars" would quickly run out of fuel.

 

[seattlegal]

Whenever we identify with a particular group, automatically there is a need to defend it. He has simply done exactly this, a fluke of birth has caused him to pick a particular religion and to be against another group. No one chooses their race or culture, their nation or even sex, yet we all define ourselves by these accidents of birth. We are ready to die for something we didn't even choose simply because we have been told we should stand up for it... in the case of armies, history shows that no civilization ever lasts very long, yet still we are ready to die so this set of leaders isn't overrun by that set. This we think is being part of something bigger than ourselves, it is simply foolish.

Wow! I agree with Lunitik? {Mark this date down on the calendar!}

I wonder how many ever wonder how different they'd be without any of this?

I don't even think I've ever developed that.

Yet, this is what I go on pointing to, that raw awareness that even watches the "I" statement. The very nature of who we each are - we find it is exactly the same essence in each of us, and that is God, oneness.

We are all human.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

What's all this hub-bub with culture wars and such? I really don't understand. Heritage? We are all human.

exactly.

we are all the same really.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Zoroastrianism and Christianity and Islam deal with both a Holy Spirit or postive energy and a Hostile Spirit or negative energy. Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Islam and Buddhism all entail the path to achieving and inner peace. In Zoroastrianism and Christianity this inner peace is described as "the kingdom." The Ijtihad in Islam leads to the same place. And in Buddhism its called Nirvana.

not quite true, in some forms of Christianity the Kingdom of God is a real place, i have been there myself and met God the Father, when I was a Charismatic

 

[Lunitik]

Ahh, so it's just an excuse to commit evil? Silly, imo. There is so much that can be learned from different cultures.

Denying evil doesn't take it away.

Belief is not necessarily evil in and of itself. It's when individuals use it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem.

Belief becomes an identification, and THIS is what is evil.

There is no need to believe anything, all is available to know directly free from ideas about.

Divisions are useful for seeing different perspectives. Again, division in and of itself is not necessarily evil. It's when individuals use it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem. (Once again.)

Division is simply false, it is a delusion.

Oh, I'm not ignoring the problem, by any means. I've looked at it closely, and have drawn my own conclusion that cultural war for the sake of cultural war is just plain silly, imo. It is a very flimsy excuse to commit evil. If more people would refuse to recognize "but it's part of our culture" as a valid excuse to commit evil, the "cultural wars" would quickly run out of fuel.

What affect have those conclusions had on anything?

 

[Lunitik]

If you enjoy the depths of goodness, you must accept the depths of evilness as well, they cannot be divided. Oneness cannot be swayed in any direction, otherwise it ceases to be oneness. Few will complain about being a victim of some good deed, but they will always complain about some evil that has come about. We have chosen favorites, but existence simply cannot work that way.

All is the manifestation of a single beingness, that beingness is always absolutely balanced, nothingness, void, yet all this emanates from that. You might not like some repercussions of it, but to maintain variety and absoluteness it is necessary.

I hope all someday understand this, but at least try to understand it...

There is also the fact that evil provides contrast for goodness, goodness cannot exist without it, it would just be the way things are. To appreciate what is, we must experience the variety, the play of opposites. Still all is one in essence, only the surface has any differentiation.

It can be difficult for the mind to accept, there is much programming about ridding the world of evil and the like, yet what do you think people are trying to do in war? Here's the kicker though: BOTH sides think they are fighting evil!

It is all just concepts...

 

[seattlegal]

Denying evil doesn't take it away.

Invalidating an excuse to commit evil can take the excuse's power away.

Belief becomes an identification, and THIS is what is evil.

It's the excuse to use it to commit evil that is the problem.

There is no need to believe anything, all is available to know directly free from ideas about.

Again, belief is not necessarily evil in and of itself. (Placebo effect has been a factor in healing.) It is using it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem.

Division is simply false, it is a delusion.

May I throw these words back at you when denigrate others?

What affect have those conclusions had on anything?

It has kept me from using culture wars as an excuse to commit evil, or to excuse evil. It's a start.

 

[Lunitik]

The usual concepts people have are on the same plain, just moving this way or that...

What I speak of is not a horizontal movement, it is vertical. When I say bliss, love, the peaks of life, I do not mean going to the end of some line. I mean going higher into this moment, going deeply into what is this moment. It means becoming a magnet for the energy which is available all around, coming to your capacity, then the explosion and suddenly you are God.

It can happen any moment, anything can tip you over the edge, some through watching a snow flake fall to the ground, others to the last star in the sky fading out, some to beautiful flowers, anything.

Mo Chao - silent awareness

The gaps in thought are when you are not and God is, yet it cannot be done, it must be allowed - I am yet to find anyone on here willing to allow.

 

[Lunitik]

Invalidating an excuse to commit evil can take the excuse's power away.

To what end? Still the evil has been done...

It's the excuse to use it to commit evil that is the problem.

Beliefs are excuses, they are both ways to justify your thinking.

Again, belief is not necessarily evil in and of itself. (Placebo effect has been a factor in healing.) It is using it as an excuse to commit evil that is the problem.

Placebo effects are based in lies, so here you are using one evil to justify another... cool.

May I throw these words back at you when denigrate others?

You do already, yet I have to use language, you are actually justifying division... you will NEVER see me justifying it, but to say something it is simply required.

It has kept me from using culture wars as an excuse to commit evil, or to excuse evil. It's a start.

You are reacting negatively to negativity... please look at this.

 

[Lunitik]

Truth is absolutely impossible to convey in words accurately, that is why I try to use devices to SHOW you, then words are not needed anymore.

It is because truth is only there when language falls, how can language convey it?

 

[Lunitik]

Telling people they will not die, giving them some ideal for after death, they will not fear death either, but still death is coming. The lie has not affected anything genuinely, but the placebo effect works fine, they may even look forward to death because of this dream... certainly they will do as they're told if it means gaining this.

What is really accomplished though?