How to decide Sin

[brijesh]

God do not belongs to any specific religion. If jesus is close to God then mohammad is also as close as Jesus. An acceptable act/thing/behavior in cristian tradition may not not be acceptable in islam. Then How and why and who will decide what is sin???

Please do not cut copy pest from religious books. Share your own thought. Can you???plz..

 

[wil]

Sin... a greek archery term meaning 'missing the mark' not doing your best.

We are not punished for our sins...but by them.

But if we choose we may also learn from them, and from the 'sins' of others.

 

[Etu Malku]

One man's Sin is another man's virtue, it's all subjective.

 

[wil]

One man's Sin is another man's virtue, it's all subjective.

An example would be interesting....

 

[Etu Malku]

An example would be interesting....

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[Thomas]

Hi EM —

Sin is but a name.

But as a name given to a moral concept, it's quite a necessary and powerful one.

In other words, whether an action is good or evil appears to depend on who is viewing the action ...

But if that's your benchmark, then you miss the point.

What about those rights/wrongs that seem so common as to be universal?

Sin, as Wil said, derives from the Greek term for 'missing the mark', but there's much more to it than that, as to be a 'sin' requires a moral dimension. The 'sinner' must know (or have sufficient reason to know) that what he or she is doing is morally wrong.

Therefore it is a wilful and willed act contrary to the greater or common good, depending on your context of 'good'. What causes man to miss the mark is acting towards his or her own apparent good, usually at the cost of someone or everyone else.

God bless,

Thomas

 

[Etu Malku]

Hi EM —

But as a name given to a moral concept, it's quite a necessary and powerful one.

Who's moral concept? But, I'll agree the attachment of a Word to an Idea humanizes the idea.

What about those rights/wrongs that seem so common as to be universal?

Universal? Give me an example?

Sin, as Wil said, derives from the Greek term for 'missing the mark', but there's much more to it than that, as to be a 'sin' requires a moral dimension. The 'sinner' must know (or have sufficient reason to know) that what he or she is doing is morally wrong.

So, it depends wholly from what viewpoint your taking, you're trying to equate morality with Christianity (at least that's what it appears to me).

Therefore it is a willful and willed act contrary to the greater or common good, depending on your context of 'good'. What causes man to miss the mark is acting towards his or her own apparent good, usually at the cost of someone or everyone else.

It can only be willful if you believe it to be a Sin . . . let me put it bluntly, moral codes of Christianity hold absolutely no interest or authority on me, I don't agree with them, or believe in them. Now, how can "I" Sin when I don't embrace this idea of Sin?

Diabolus Beatus,
Etu Malku

 

[wil]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Sin is but a name. In other words, whether an action is good or evil appears to depend on who is viewing the action. The zealotry of a Puritan punishing a wrongdoer—like Goodman Brown’s grandfather lashing “a Quaker woman so smartly through the streets”—might be praised as a just act by another Puritan but condemned as an inhumane act by non-Puritans.[/SIZE][/FONT]

I asked for an example of sin.... unless I'm mistaken you gave me an example of punishment? Unless you are saying the punishment was a sin?


Thou shall not committ murder.

this is the sin.

You are not to take the life of another, now there have been some caveats allowed over the years, unless it is self defense, unless it is in war, unless it is in the womb, unless you are the gov't/judge/jury/executioner.....but other than that the willful taking of another's life is not a sin.

To whom is wanton murder a subjective virtue which should be accepted.

 

[Etu Malku]

I asked for an example of sin.... unless I'm mistaken you gave me an example of punishment? Unless you are saying the punishment was a sin?

I did, didn't I


Thou shall not committ murder.

this is the sin.

You are not to take the life of another, now there have been some caveats allowed over the years, unless it is self defense, unless it is in war, unless it is in the womb, unless you are the gov't/judge/jury/executioner.....but other than that the willful taking of another's life is not a sin.

To whom is wanton murder a subjective virtue which should be accepted.

unless it is self defense, unless it is in war, unless it is in the womb, unless you are the gov't/judge/jury/executioner.....but other than that the willful taking of another's life is not a sin.

You forgot one . . . unless God says it's ok!

Ok, on to murder.
Murder is not killing, or is it?

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human

Malice aforethought is the "premeditation" or "predetermination" that was required as an element of some crimes in some jurisdictions, and a unique element for first-degree or aggravated murder in a few.

To whom is wanton murder a subjective virtue which should be accepted

When isn't murder a Sin? When it is not defined by a religion. For it is religion that defines Sin not Laws. You've already mentioned a few 'caveats', here is a new one.

You're choice, kill this other child and yours is spared . . . terrible thought I know, but what is your answer?

 

[wil]

You forgot one . . . unless God says it's ok!

Ok, on to murder.
Murder is not killing, or is it?

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human

Malice aforethought is the "premeditation" or "predetermination" that was required as an element of some crimes in some jurisdictions, and a unique element for first-degree or aggravated murder in a few.


When isn't murder a Sin? When it is not defined by a religion. For it is religion that defines Sin not Laws. You've already mentioned a few 'caveats', here is a new one.

You're choice, kill this other child and yours is spared . . . terrible thought I know, but what is your answer?

You seem to be having a moment this morning....but again.... sin/virtue....to some a sin, to others a virtue...

that is what I asked an example of, and have not seen yet. I don't wish to box with you this morning but to discuss the concepts at hand.

 

[seattlegal]

Alright, how about sin being Willful intent that has a detrimental affect upon your mind, and thus your Will? You are being punished by your sins in the detrimental affects they have upon your mind. (Buddhist karma view.)

{creative capitalizations added to make everyone happy}

 

[seattlegal]

You're choice,

Closed mindedness limiting creative options masquerading as free choice?

kill this other child and yours is spared . . . terrible thought I know, but what is your answer?

Cure the sicko insisting on limiting options, or at least render that close-mindedness ineffective, then find a creative solution to any problem that might remain.

 

[Etu Malku]

Closed mindedness limiting creative options masquerading as free choice?
Cure the sicko insisting on limiting options, or at least render that close-mindedness ineffective, then find a creative solution to any problem that might remain.

Oops . . . never mind!

 

[wil]

Alright, how about sin being Willful intent that has a detrimental affect upon your mind, and thus your Will? You are being punished by your sins in the detrimental affects they have upon your mind. (Buddhist karma view.)

{creative capitalizations added to make everyone happy}

I'm agreein here....

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Alright, how about sin being Willful intent that has a detrimental affect upon your mind, and thus your Will? You are being punished by your sins in the detrimental affects they have upon your mind. (Buddhist karma view.)

{creative capitalizations added to make everyone happy}

but is this scriptural ?

what do they abrahamic faiths say is sin ?

 

[brijesh]

Sin... a greek archery term meaning 'missing the mark' not doing your best.

We are not punished for our sins...but by them.

But if we choose we may also learn from them, and from the 'sins' of others.

Wow! I love the reply and genuneness in thought

 

[brijesh]

One man's Sin is another man's virtue, it's all subjective.

Another great reply..Plz write in detail

 

[brijesh]

My own view..

Sin and virtue both dependent on each other. There is no way to make mountain without making see. So for a common person Sin and Virtue is just a matter of his acceptability and belive. Existentialy nothing is Sin or Virtue but it is our believe, conditioned mind, and social norms which defines.

Look at this example:: Jesus crusified by so called civilised,educated,intellegent and social people who were policy makers and socity care takers. For them Jesus act / Thought was Sin. Jesus never told wrong but crusified. Socrateese poisoned for what?? What happened with galileo..

For persons like Jesus, they has no firm distinction in Sin and Virtue. Their act / behavior is beyond both. That is why it is very hard for we to decide Jesus highness. Some time you will find he is supporting Sin and sometime Virtue (in our terms). One thing is very clear that person like Jesus has no possibility to go against Dhamma/ Dharma

 

[seattlegal]

but is this scriptural ?

what do they abrahamic faiths say is sin ?

Strongs # Translit. Pronunciation English Equivalent
H2398חָטָא chata' khä·tä' sin, purify, cleanse, sinner, committed, offended, blame, done, fault, harm, loss, miss, offender, purge, reconciliation, sinful, trespass
H2399חֵטְא chet' khāt sin, faults, grievously, offences
H2401חֲטָאָה chata'ah khat·ä·ä' sin, sin offering
H2403חַטָּאָת chatta'ath khat·tä·ä' sin, sin offering, punishment, purification for sin, purifying, sinful, sinner
H2402חַטָּאָה chatta'ah (Aramaic) khat·tä·ä' sin offering
H2408חֲטָי chatiy (Aramaic) khat·ē' sin
H2409חַטָּיָא chattaya' (Aramaic) khat·tä·yä' sin offering
H5512סִין Ciyn sēn sin
H819אַשְׁמָה 'ashmah ash·mä' trespass, sin, offend, trespass offering
H7683שָׁגַג shagag shä·gag' err, flesh, sin ignorantly, deceived, went astray
H6588פֶּשַׁע pesha` peh'·shah transgression, trespass, sin, rebellion
H817אָשָׁם 'asham ä·shäm' trespass offering, trespass, offering for sin, sin, guiltiness
H5771עָוֹן `avon ä·vōn' iniquity, punishment, fault, Iniquities, mischief, sin
H7686שָׁגָה shagah shä·gä' err, ravished, wander, deceiver, cause to go astray, sin through ignorance, go astray, deceived
H2400חַטָּא chatta' khat·tä' sinner, sinful, offender

Strongs # Translit. Pronunciation English Equivalent
G264ἁμαρτάνω hamartanōhä-mär-tä'-nō sin, trespass, offend, for your faults
G266ἁμαρτία hamartiahä-mär-tē'-ä sin, sinful, offense
G265ἁμάρτημα hamartēmahä-mä'r-tā-mä sin
G4258προαμαρτάνω proamartanōpro-ä-mär-tä'-nō sin already, sin heretofore
G361ἀναμάρτητος anamartētosä-nä-mä'r-tā-tos without sin
G3900παράπτωμα paraptōmapä-rä'p-tō-mä trespass, offence, sin, fall, fault
G268ἁμαρτωλός hamartōloshä-mär-tō-lo's sinner, sinful
G3781ὀφειλέτης opheiletēso-fā-le'-tās debtor, sinner, which owed


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[brijesh]

Plz avoide childish, learned ideas from any perticular religion. As a intellectual being you are supposed to give earned thought not learned..Plz....