God will heal, medics not required!

[Quirkybird]

From time to time we hear tragic tales of people refusing medical attention, in the expectation that the deity will do the business. When it fails to do so they succumb to their illness. It is bad enough when an adult refuses medical attention in respect of themselves, but much worse if they refuse it for their child.

Pray for healing if you must, but take on board the medical help available too, especially in the case of a child.

I don't know about the US, but in the UK medics can apply to the courts if the parents refuse medical attention for their child.

 

[Thomas]

From time to time we hear tragic tales of people refusing medical attention, in the expectation that the deity will do the business. When it fails to do so they succumb to their illness. It is bad enough when an adult refuses medical attention in respect of themselves, but much worse if they refuse it for their child.

Pray for healing if you must, but take on board the medical help available too, especially in the case of a child.

I don't know about the US, but in the UK medics can apply to the courts if the parents refuse medical attention for their child.

That's the Jehovah's Witnesses for you.

Of course, when you look at the Taliban, for example, it's even worse. They assume that any western aid is a plot, and seek to kill both those who help and those who ask for it.

Then worse even than that, the say that women should not be educated, and shoot a 12 year old girl for her supposed apostacy!

Then you have honour killings ... and it just gets worse and worse.

 

[wil]

G!d does heal.

In the antibiotic....G!d is there.

In the hands of the surgeon, G!d is there.

Pray, but move your feet.

The seas may part....but you don't still stand on the shore...

 

[Quirkybird]

G!d does heal.

In the antibiotic....G!d is there.

In the hands of the surgeon, G!d is there.

Pray, but move your feet.

The seas may part....but you don't still stand on the shore...

If you see humans as deities then I agree.

 

[wil]

I see humans as one... one with all that is... physical expressions in 3d of that which we cannot see in 3d

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

From time to time we hear tragic tales of people refusing medical attention, in the expectation that the deity will do the business. When it fails to do so they succumb to their illness. It is bad enough when an adult refuses medical attention in respect of themselves, but much worse if they refuse it for their child.

Pray for healing if you must, but take on board the medical help available too, especially in the case of a child.

I don't know about the US, but in the UK medics can apply to the courts if the parents refuse medical attention for their child.

Therefore? It's also true, at least in the US, that many, many hospitals and medical centers have links to religious institutions.

You seem driven to ridicule the fringe as your way of demeaning the center.

 

[Quirkybird]

As I said in my OP, pray if you must, but let medics do their bit too!

 

[wil]

Therefore? It's also true, at least in the US, that many, many hospitals and medical centers have links to religious institutions.

You seem driven to ridicule the fringe as your way of demeaning the center.

I was working at George Washington University Hospital...and a priest was walking by my office as I was leaving...very distraught... I asked him if he was ok...he replied he needed a minute, I pushed open the door of my office and said ...take as long as you need.

When I returned from my meeting his business card was on my desk (side note, before that I never even thought about Priests and business cards) the card said thank you on it.

A couple of days later I saw him again, and he asked to buy my lunch... We spoke, what was at issue was a parishoner of his who was dying, who had died. He had received the call and was asked to come in and give last rites.... While he was with his parishoner who was breathing and stable at the moment... a doctor came in...who was on his rounds...and asked that he leave the room while he checked on his patient...while the doc was there, while the priest was in the hall, he coded, and was not able to be revived...and the priest had not finished what he had set out to do...

He told me...he realizes, he knows what the docs do for their patients has value... he only wishes that the docs would realize what he does for his parishioners has value as well...

 

[Quirkybird]

I would be an idiot to deny that for some religious input can be beneficial if they are going through a bad experience. But just because it can be helpful doesn't mean there is any deity backing it up.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

But just because it can be helpful doesn't mean there is any deity backing it up.

I don't know that there is an important distinction.

 

[Quirkybird]

I don't know that there is an important distinction.

I regard religion as having a placebo effect. Some people benefit because they believe their faith is efficacious in some way. The mind can be tricked into believing the most amazing things, like taking a pill having been told it is a cure for an ailment, when it is only made of sugar, for instance.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I regard religion as having a placebo effect.

I regard adolescent anti-theism as having a cathartic effect: think sophomoric temper tantrum.

 

[wil]

While it can be a placebo effect, it is also a comfort...which allows your body to rest and heal....when you return to your tradition, be it saying the rosary, holding your cross or medalion, seeing your members of your congregation come and sit with you, spending time in prayer or meditation...these things calm you, comfort you...much better for healing than being agitated.

 

[Quirkybird]

While it can be a placebo effect, it is also a comfort...which allows your body to rest and heal....when you return to your tradition, be it saying the rosary, holding your cross or medalion, seeing your members of your congregation come and sit with you, spending time in prayer or meditation...these things calm you, comfort you...much better for healing than being agitated.

If it works in that way for someone, then fine, but it doesn't work for everyone.

 

[wil]

Healing has a lot to do with attitude and belief in oneself. Whatever you can do when you are sick or headed to surgery to relax and raise the altitude of your attitude, your appreciation for your caregivers and postivity will affect the outcome.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pos...7.11396j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

I regard religion as having a placebo effect. Some people benefit because they believe their faith is efficacious in some way. The mind can be tricked into believing the most amazing things, like taking a pill having been told it is a cure for an ailment, when it is only made of sugar, for instance.

But if we keep to the rational then if it works it works. If praying works isn't it irrelevant if it has a provable cause or not?

This whole discussion reminds me that I'm not, in this moment, not very interested in living as long as possible, but rather living "well". "Well" being a subjective measurement of what I find valuable in life.

 

[Quirkybird]

Healing has a lot to do with attitude and belief in oneself. Whatever you can do when you are sick or headed to surgery to relax and raise the altitude of your attitude, your appreciation for your caregivers and postivity will affect the outcome.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pos...7.11396j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

When I was 13 I was due to have surgery on my eyes. My parents wanted me to attend a healing service, in the hope of being spared the surgery. I freaked out and absolutely refused to have anything to do with it, being uncomfortable with the whole concept of faith healing even at that young age! Years later I heard that this 'Christian' healer had been outed as a charlatan.