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What would it be to have all knowledge of a simple object, say a chair or even something simpler like a single crystal? Even to behold an object before me, to rotate it and view it from every side, still my presentation is adumbrational.

So, this is not really an epistemic question but rather an existential one. What I would like to hear are your ideas, however fanciful or far-flung, as to what total knowledge of a simple object be like?
 
We've got these PHDs out there that get involved in the minutest aspects of their field to the nth degree...

Most that I've met can hardly converse out of their circles. And should they try to speak to a layman like me on their topic, while you can see their passion and excitement....there is hardly a word, or concept you can understand...

The ones I've met don't have all knowledge, they have more questions and know that there is more that they are not aware of than what they are aware of.

That being said....I'm guessing if you knew everything about anything, you'd have opened the door from the backside to knowing everything about everything and you wouldn't have a soul to discuss it with.
 
wil said:
We've got these PHDs out there that get involved in the minutest aspects of their field to the nth degree...

Most that I've met can hardly converse out of their circles. And should they try to speak to a layman like me on their topic, while you can see their passion and excitement....there is hardly a word, or concept you can understand...

The ones I've met don't have all knowledge, they have more questions and know that there is more that they are not aware of than what they are aware of.

That being said....I'm guessing if you knew everything about anything, you'd have opened the door from the backside to knowing everything about everything and you wouldn't have a soul to discuss it with.
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There was a time when I was often in discussions with pHDs and Professors, didn't find them that bad. On the other hand didn't understand your last paragraph
 
Don't know about that. My only question is, what does this thread have to do with 'Belief and Spirituality' ? :confused:
 
Quite a bit actually, Aussie. How much we know or do not know about something; and how much we can experience and not experience something is a deeply philosophical question. These are the kinds of questions that often form the basis for our belief structures.
 
Voice, I believe you contradicted yourself in your OP. You first asked what it would be like to have complete knowledge of some thing. You then suggest that it is an existential question.

These two comments conflict. Knowledge of something is epistemic. Existential of something is pertaining to experience.

So which one are you asking about. The knowledge of something (epistemic) or the experience of something (existential)?

Or did I miss the point entirely?
 
Gordian Knot said:
Quite a bit actually, Aussie. How much we know or do not know about something; and how much we can experience and not experience something is a deeply philosophical question. These are the kinds of questions that often form the basis for our belief structures.
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Fair enough. Although, if that's the case, I think the thread would have been better suited for the 'Philosophy' category, but no worries...
 
Gordian Knot said:
Voice, I believe you contradicted yourself in your OP. You first asked what it would be like to have complete knowledge of some thing. You then suggest that it is an existential question.

These two comments conflict. Knowledge of something is epistemic. Existential of something is pertaining to experience.

So which one are you asking about. The knowledge of something (epistemic) or the experience of something (existential)?

Or did I miss the point entirely?
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Yes you did miss the point; this is not an epistemic question because I do not ask, how might one have all knowledge,,. It is an existential one because I asked, what would it be to have all knowledge... A question similar to but subtly different from, what would one have to be like to have all knowledge...
 
What I am getting at is the path....one of the paths....that if you were to know all there is to know about any one thing...you would then grok that it is all one thing.

Whether spirituality or science... eating from that tree of knowledge

they will be gods like us...
 
The faculty called `Intuition' or Buddhi, being utterly and totally transcendent of what we call mind, sometimes also spoken of as the TRUE REASON ... is what can grasp, and instantly comprehend by DIRECT UNION with [so to speak] the essence of the chair, crystal, etc.

It was of such a SPIRITUAL-DIVINE Faculty, and no less, present in latent form within every human being, which The Christ spoke of when He uttered the phrase: "There is a PEACE, which passeth Understanding." And that Peace, for the record, is what obtains the moment one enters Nirvana, or experiences the Atmic faculty of Consciousness [and Being]. Such experience comes for brief moments in what is called Satori, or Samadhi, yet only fully applies at Mukti, Moksha, Liberation, Enlightenment, or what Christians speak of as Salvation.

True Nirvanic attainment only occurs at the long end of our evolution, whereas hundreds upon thousands of individuals have had momentary or longer experiences of it ... and typically, if you have, you KNOW it. Again, such KNOWLEDGE, being certain, removes all shadow of a doubt - at least regarding that particular experience. True removal of Doubt is itself a stage marking some considerable advancement upon the spiritual Path, whose entrance is sometimes marked by the `2nd Birth' or Born-again experience, the birth of the Christ in the human heart.

Science will be able - soon enough - to verify what I have said in these few paragraphs, yet from a more secular viewpoint. This changes nothing, yet will be more palatable for certain types of people ... and rightly so. I just comment from my own experience and with terminology which I have learned and become accustomed to.

Namaskar
 
Knowledge? Yes, that's what life is all about. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom. (Prev. 1:7) Pity that when we reach that pinnacle, we are already of an advanced age. So much so that, the more we know the more we forget. Hence many come to the conclusion that, what's the use of knowing?
 
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