Second coming not what expected?

[IAM13]

I don't mean to demean what you say, but half of what you are saying is clear and true to anyone of a post Jesus (PBUH) Abrahamic faith. Your call to truth, has already been called. And your realization that education and understanding are a path to a greater time on earth and hereafter has been called. Even your misinterpretations and Biblical errors have already been called out, and corrected by God himself. I found them a while back in the Quran. Which has been circulating the globe for about 1400 yrs now.

The other half (and this includes a large portion of your original post) sounds very much like you are attempting to establish yourself as a prophet or (from my POV much worse) as the Messiah himself without addressing any of the signs of the coming found in any text. You then throw in a couple references to Pisces and Aquarius (Pagan Gods if I'm not mistaken) which would completely contradict not a few verses but the Old Testament, New Testament, and the Quran as a whole.

I'm not telling you you are wrong, or that you have no right to voice your POV. But your call to action is going to need a lot of glue to stick with your views so contradictory to any of the established texts of the Prophets or God to me.

BigJoeNobody, not demeaning at all, and you SHOULD question everything so I commend you! Let me be clear I am not establishing myself as the Messiah, you and I both know that he will not come out and say, "look, here I am, I have become!" And neither will people point and say, "look, there he is!". Pisces and Aquarius are not pagan gods, so let me clarify. BigJoeNobody, if you and I go out tonight and look at the stars in the sky, they will not be in this exact position again for another 26000 years, or 12 ages of time. An age is roughly 2160 years long, and the night sky has 12 ages, or zodiacs in them. Look at this night sky/star procession as a long way to tell the time. So basically, we have been living in the age of Pisces for the pass 2160 years, up until dec 21, 2012 at which time the age of Pisces ended and we began the new age of Aquarius. Each age is very closely tied into the prophets workings of their specific age, so for instance, in this past age of Pisces, the fish, the prophet for the age was Jesus. Hence why you see all the fish stories in the bible, the fish you see on the back of peoples cars, heck, even the Pope's hat is a fish. All clear? So for instance, in the age of Taurus the bull where the prophet of the age was Moses, we see the people worship the golden calf (bull) and Moses kills them. This was Moses symbolical way of killing the bull, or ending the age of Taurus, to make room for the coming prophet.

In the Mathew 28:20 Jesus clearly states he will be with us until the end of the age. His age was Pisces and it has ended. Further more in Luke 22:10 Jesus says, "and at that time you will come to a man bearing a pitcher of water, follow him into his house." This is Jesus directing us to keep watch for the next prophet, Aquarius the water bearer, and then to follow him into his house, the house or age of Aquarius. So in a nutshell, in these two quotes, Jesus his literally telling us how long Christianity's lifespan is, and then he directs us to watch for the next coming prophet and who will lead us into the next age, Aquarius.

Have you noticed everywhere you look today that todays 40 is yesterday's 30? That people are somehow beginning to look much younger than they used to for their age? Do you think this is because "they" put something into our water? Or? Let me tell you why this is happening. This age reversal, this little taste of the fountain of youth - eternal life, has become prominent in the world because it is the creator showing us in a very subtle way that we have come to a VERY, VERY important time in our spiritual evolution. He is telling us to be on our toes and to also take a small sip of that which we can become. We are indeed poised before the very steps of Kingdom Come my friends. That is to say, we are very close to being able to have the kingdom of heaven, come to earth.

This is why being aware of your empowerment of your free will of choice is so important. Because it is now time for us to evolve to a point of understanding that even Sin, is a choice. And with the empowerment of our free will of choice, we can begin to choose not to sin.

Love, Light and Power,
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[BigJoeNobody]

Do Muslims believe they need a saviour?

No. Only Allah can forgive sins, and only we can attempt to earn the right for him to be merciful.

A messiah for salvation today?

The Messiah is not on this earth. He was lifted to Heaven to await the right time. (IMV)

I know you are looking forward to the Mahdi... but that is the future...how has not having his arrival affected the millions of muslims that have died in the past 1600 years?

There is no reason to not look forward to the Mahdi (assuming those Hadith who talk about them are correct of course, as it is not reflected in the Quran.). Although his not coming has not affected anyone over the past 1600 years. We have our direction from Allah, and do not NEED a person. We have lost nothing by not being part of the final days. If Allah willed we would be. He chose a different test for me/us.

None of this resolves the question however that you stated Jews have a 1 trip Messiah, Christians a 2 trip, and Muslims do it on their own. Pardon me if I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you are claiming we believe we (Muslims) are all the Messiah, which is something I would staunchly disagree with. Hence the reason for me commenting on this thread.

 

[BigJoeNobody]

BigJoeNobody, not demeaning at all, and you SHOULD question everything so I commend you! Let me be clear I am not establishing myself as the Messiah, you and I both know that he will not come out and say, "look, here I am, I have become!" And neither will people point and say, "look, there he is!". Pisces and Aquarius are not pagan gods, so let me clarify. BigJoeNobody, if you and I go out tonight and look at the stars in the sky, they will not be in this exact position again for another 26000 years, or 12 ages of time. An age is roughly 2160 years long, and the night sky has 12 ages, or zodiacs in them. Look at this night sky/star procession as a long way to tell the time. So basically, we have been living in the age of Pisces for the pass 2160 years, up until dec 21, 2012 at which time the age of Pisces ended and we began the new age of Aquarius. Each age is very closely tied into the prophets workings of their specific age, so for instance, in this past age of Pisces, the fish, the prophet for the age was Jesus. Hence why you see all the fish stories in the bible, the fish you see on the back of peoples cars, heck, even the Pope's hat is a fish. All clear? So for instance, in the age of Taurus the bull where the prophet of the age was Moses, we see the people worship the golden calf (bull) and Moses kills them. This was Moses symbolical way of killing the bull, or ending the age of Taurus, to make room for the coming prophet.

In the Mathew 28:20 Jesus clearly states he will be with us until the end of the age. His age was Pisces and it has ended. Further more in Luke 22:10 Jesus says, "and at that time you will come to a man bearing a pitcher of water, follow him into his house." This is Jesus directing us to keep watch for the next prophet, Aquarius the water bearer, and then to follow him into his house, the house or age of Aquarius. So in a nutshell, in these two quotes, Jesus his literally telling us how long Christianity's lifespan is, and then he directs us to watch for the next coming prophet and who will lead us into the next age, Aquarius.

Have you noticed everywhere you look today that todays 40 is yesterday's 30? That people are somehow beginning to look much younger than they used to for their age? Do you think this is because "they" put something into our water? Or? Let me tell you why this is happening. This age reversal, this little taste of the fountain of youth - eternal life, has become prominent in the world because it is the creator showing us in a very subtle way that we have come to a VERY, VERY important time in our spiritual evolution. He is telling us to be on our toes and to also take a small sip of that which we can become. We are indeed poised before the very steps of Kingdom Come my friends. That is to say, we are very close to being able to have the kingdom of heaven, come to earth.

This is why being aware of your empowerment of your free will of choice is so important. Because it is now time for us to evolve to a point of understanding that even Sin, is a choice. And with the empowerment of our free will of choice, we can begin to choose not to sin.

Love, Light and Power,
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First of all, I'm really glad you do not think we are all the Messiah, or that Christians are all the Messiah, or prophets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisces_(astrology)
While not Gods, the divination of such astrological symbols is mentioned in the OT as strictly forbidden. And to make the claim that Jesus (PBUH) was referring to an age dictated by Greek Polytheists' symbols is quite disturbing. While there are some here that will probably lean toward these as truths, I will not be one of them.

IMO, there are too many issues with comparing Biblical ideals with Polytheistic cultures' (especially Moses (PBUH) who was around long before the Greeks) symbols. There are also some issues with your ages, as technically speaking, the stars will never line up exactly at any point in time from one another. (That whole expanding universe thing).

Another interpretation of Matthew that you quoted is to the end of the Messianic Age, or for those who say he will be but is not the Messiah or that the Messiah has yet to come, possibly the Pre-Messianic Age. Or from an Islamic standpoint, the end of the Jew only Era. To which another Prophet did come, not of the Jews, with a message from God for all people (remember Jesus said he wasn't coming for the gentiles, but only the lost sheep of Israel?)

 

[Aupmanyav]

Aupmanyav, not everything within a book is true. Say if for instance I write a book and state I am GOD in that book. Will you believe it to be true? I hope not! Be cautious in your hunt for pure truth, question everything my friend!

I will not believe you (since I am a die-hard atheist), but I am sure many will. The existence of monotheist religions proves that.

If Allah willed we would be. He chose a different test for me/us.

You were not in Aceh.

 

[IAM13]

Ah yes, but I am not interested in gaining a following, I am interested in sharing some vital information concerning the times we currently live in. The message is quite simple. That history has shown us each time an age change occurs a new prophet comes to us, he forewarns us of events that can be in our future should we not change our ways. Because we have been a reactionary people in the past humanity has never heeded the warning from the prophet, until after the deep, dark, despair has taken its toll, and then we react. Granted, what follows the despair is a great advancement for humanity. What I am sharing is this change of age is different, we need not be a reactionary people anymore, or a humanity that reacts after the fact. We have evolved a great deal in our combined consciousness and spirit, we have created tools that help us forecast and predict things, and therefor we are equipped with what it takes to be proactive, we have the ability to make this transition the great advancement it is supposed to be, and do so while avoiding the suffering and despair that has always came with the transition. And we can do so through recognizing that we all are highly empowered by our free will of choice.

You choose everything. Your choices make up your experience and your destiny. You chose everything in the past 24 hours, week, month and even chose everything the whole year. Unless you are incarcerated or military, you have chosen everything in your life. With this mindful reminder of our free will of choice, combined with a rightful way of life, the strength of ones free will of choice may grow to a point whereby they begin to realize that Sin itself, is but a choice.

The message in a nutshell is simple, and not a lot unlike Christ's:

1. Cleanse, Go back over burned bridges and ask for forgiveness, then you forgive yourself too. Cleanse.

2. Embrace an undying motivation for Pure Truth, not just, "your" truth. Universal Truth.

3. Be moral in all of your actions. Don't "act", BE. Golden.

As one ascends up this pathway his creation is revealed at a very rapid speed, and since one is in a state of pure streaming truth, where there is no delay, the creator works in and through you in real-time guiding the creative output of your thoughts and actions. This is a total synchronization with our maker. There are days when I pick up a guitar, play and sing a song I have never known before..... and the beat, rhythm, the rhyming of words, all of it is damn near perfect (Though I don't seem to recall the songs, just the moments). Rest assured this connection is of, by and with, the master creator. If you choose to walk this path you will rather quickly come to know that it is indeed the true source and the right thing that we are tapping as we walk this path.

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[IAM13]

So you say you don’t want a New World Order? So this would suggest that you are fine and dandy with the world the way it is. What type of vision comes to mind when I say these words, “New World Order”? Do you see visions of a planet policed by UN blue helmets, where everyone’s privacy is stripped, where there is only one type and color of car and life is a cookie cutter experience for all of us? Perhaps the more important question is in asking oneself who put these visions of a New World Order into our heads? And what if we begin to think along the lines of creating a New World Order of global unity, of, by and for the people. A system of total and utter equality, whereby there no longer exists the trillionaire family blood line, where there is no ludicrously rich or hungry and homeless poor? Can you imagine? In order to do this we must first recognize that we DO want change, no, we want great change. And in order to embrace great change we must first let the old ways die. To do this and, “get there” from here on out I would like to ask that we refer to our current world and systems of today as the Old World Order (OWO). Now with that said, we may now recognize that the Old World Order that we’ve come to know must die.

With that all clear now what might our New World Order look like? What might our systems be like and what other important elements should we be securing that will make up our New World Order. California does not fight with Nevada. New York does not war with New Jersey. Yet these states are separated by borders and yet contain both diverse races and religions, ALL living under the same umbrella in peace. And so America comes to a time in which she and her people must find a way to reinvent themselves.

Imagine for a moment if you will, this beautiful American model of diversity all living in peace, imagine this umbrella covering the entire planet. What better way to reinvent ourselves then to first be sure that we secure this wonderful and powerful system of freedom, free will and privacy, and then expand the umbrella to cover the world. Can you imagine a world in full and total peace? Can you imagine such a world as this, and imagine such a world without the presence of a blue Helmut police force, where the people of the world have secured their privacy, and freedom and free will reigns through each and every community throughout our entire planet?

In order to secure up such a future we must begin to place our most talented and brightest minds and souls into international positions and the international spot light. This will require that we begin to focus upon infiltrating the United Nations, the Red Cross, The World Health Organization, and all other groups who hold interest in creating a global based system. So on one hand we must secure and keep secure our constitutional rights, and at the same time we must concentrate our interests at an international and global level.

I have always warned of a future time in which there would be a most important “y” in the road for us. This here is that exact “y” in the road. Whereby we could sit back and only focus upon America and by doing as such we would end up falling under the worldly powers that have planned an awful New World Order whereby a .01% elite lead, and 99.99% are happy to embrace their own enslavement. Or by way of our empowered free will of choice that we embrace it so that we take full control of the leadership and destiny of such a worldly system. It is my desire for us to choose wisely our road today, so that we secure not just a free future for our children, but that we secure a free and equal system for all the children of the world, and their children and their children and their children for ever more.

Can you help us do this? Can you hear and answer to this calling? I trust that you can hear this message, I trust that you will make the right choice. Heaven awaits, Kingdom come. That is to say the Kingdom of Heaven, can now come to earth. It is simply a choice. Let us go forward together and choose this wondrous future that is ours for the taking and at hand at this very moment. Let us make the right choice, let us do the right thing.

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[donnann]

Ah yes, but I am not interested in gaining a following, I am interested in sharing some vital information concerning the times we currently live in. The message is quite simple. That history has shown us each time an age change occurs a new prophet comes to us, he forewarns us of events that can be in our future should we not change our ways. Because we have been a reactionary people in the past humanity has never heeded the warning from the prophet, until after the deep, dark, despair has taken its toll, and then we react. Granted, what follows the despair is a great advancement for humanity. What I am sharing is this change of age is different, we need not be a reactionary people anymore, or a humanity that reacts after the fact. We have evolved a great deal in our combined consciousness and spirit, we have created tools that help us forecast and predict things, and therefor we are equipped with what it takes to be proactive, we have the ability to make this transition the great advancement it is supposed to be, and do so while avoiding the suffering and despair that has always came with the transition. And we can do so through recognizing that we all are highly empowered by our free will of choice.

You choose everything. Your choices make up your experience and your destiny. You chose everything in the past 24 hours, week, month and even chose everything the whole year. Unless you are incarcerated or military, you have chosen everything in your life. With this mindful reminder of our free will of choice, combined with a rightful way of life, the strength of ones free will of choice may grow to a point whereby they begin to realize that Sin itself, is but a choice.

The message in a nutshell is simple, and not a lot unlike Christ's:

1. Cleanse, Go back over burned bridges and ask for forgiveness, then you forgive yourself too. Cleanse.

2. Embrace an undying motivation for Pure Truth, not just, "your" truth. Universal Truth.

3. Be moral in all of your actions. Don't "act", BE. Golden.

As one ascends up this pathway his creation is revealed at a very rapid speed, and since one is in a state of pure streaming truth, where there is no delay, the creator works in and through you in real-time guiding the creative output of your thoughts and actions. This is a total synchronization with our maker. There are days when I pick up a guitar, play and sing a song I have never known before..... and the beat, rhythm, the rhyming of words, all of it is damn near perfect (Though I don't seem to recall the songs, just the moments). Rest assured this connection is of, by and with, the master creator. If you choose to walk this path you will rather quickly come to know that it is indeed the true source and the right thing that we are tapping as we walk this path.

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we are living in the end times. It may take another 30 years but it is the end of death, suffering and mortality.

 

[donnann]

No. Only Allah can forgive sins, and only we can attempt to earn the right for him to be merciful. The Messiah is not on this earth. He was lifted to Heaven to await the right time. (IMV) There is no reason to not look forward to the Mahdi (assuming those Hadith who talk about them are correct of course, as it is not reflected in the Quran.). Although his not coming has not affected anyone over the past 1600 years. We have our direction from Allah, and do not NEED a person. We have lost nothing by not being part of the final days. If Allah willed we would be. He chose a different test for me/us.

None of this resolves the question however that you stated Jews have a 1 trip Messiah, Christians a 2 trip, and Muslims do it on their own. Pardon me if I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you are claiming we believe we (Muslims) are all the Messiah, which is something I would staunchly disagree with. Hence the reason for me commenting on this thread.

the messiah is on earth. there are a whole bunch of them around.

 

[donnann]

So...if I get you right now...I pretty much had it right the first time?

God sits in the mercy seat in end times so its about forgiveness not by works.

 

[wil]

we are living in the end times. It may take another 30 years but it is the end of death, suffering and mortality.

30 years??

You do know that EVERY prediction of this sort has come and gone....to a myriad of excuses for the past 2,000 years....but the signs...the signs...

the messiah is on earth. there are a whole bunch of them around.

now that is interesting....any names?

God sits in the mercy seat in end times so its about forgiveness not by works.

again interesting...where is this mercy seat? and what scripture/preacher informs you of all this?

 

[donnann]

30 years??

You do know that EVERY prediction of this sort has come and gone....to a myriad of excuses for the past 2,000 years....but the signs...the signs...

now that is interesting....any names?

again interesting...where is this mercy seat? and what scripture/preacher informs you of all this?

According to the Bible, the mercy seat (Hebrew: כפורת, Kapporet ; "atonement piece") was the lid or cover of solid gold of the Ark of the Covenant, and was connected with the rituals of the Day of Atonement; the term also appears in later Jewish sources, and twice in the New Testament, from where it has significance in Christian theology.
The English phrase mercy seat is a translation of the Hebrew kapporeth (in the Masoretic text) and its Greek hilasterion (in the Septuagint) by William Tyndale influenced by the German word Gnadenstuhl as in the Luther Bible; Gnadenstuhl, literally meaning seat of grace.

In the end times a body is the ark and seal openings and bindings.
I know those excuses have happened but I have knowledge that those miracles spoken in the bible have happened but unfortunately its not been made public knowledge

 

[wil]

And you came about this knowledge how? Revealed to you directly? Thru a channel?

 

[IAM13]

In the end times a body is the ark and seal openings and bindings.
I know those excuses have happened but I have knowledge that those miracles spoken in the bible have happened but unfortunately its not been made public knowledge

Ah yes, for those who have wanted to maintain the enslavement of humanity have done their best to keep a lid on it.... no pun intended. lol

But this to shall come to an end soon. I believe what is most important for humanity right now is for each to perform a certain cleansing exercise, followed by a change in the way they go about life. I can share with you how I cleansed and reset my path to be in line with the creator, as I know it has gotten me much, much closer to the creator, so synced at times that his creativity flows through me in real time. it is a miracle really, miracle manifest. Here is what I did:

I have gone back and rebuilt the bridges I burned and I have asked those that I've wronged to forgive me. Once finished with this task, I was able to forgive myself. <--- this is the all important cleansing of oneself. From that point on I have lived life with an undying hunger for pure truth, not just my truth but universal truths, and I have been morally good in my actions. (BTW - This is how one gets much closer to the intelligence that created our world and all that we know.) I flow in the truth because I have come to realize that pure truth is perfect in its very form and nature. That pure truth need not be created, or spun, it is perfect, and when one synchronizes their life in the flow of pure truth one attains a place of real-time, "Knowing", a place so confident in its right, it renders words like hope and faith, obsolete; no longer needed.

Could you find a few people you have known that you might ask for their forgiveness? See, the problem with not having this clean slate that I've attained, is that your past unresolved issues come back to resurface and become unrelated issues in other unrelated parts of your life. You then take your unresolved luggage, and you sling it upon others. That's why its so easy to see life as a luggage slinging contest where everyone is in complete denial of their own issues and yet throwing their issues at whoever is closest. So I have done my work, and because of that work I no longer have a reason to sling luggage, I simply don't carry this luggage any longer, nor need I judge others, where it was never my place to begin with.

They key then is to go for extended periods of time in this cleansed state of righteousness, it is here that the connection with our creator becomes extremely noticeable. When I can go for a 48-72 hour period without lying, without even one fib, the connection I attain is nothing short of miraculous. And it is only getting stronger.

Work towards a clean slate, and you will come to know a life much closer in sync with the one who created all of this. And you will grow, and you will advance. I promise. Sit there and change nothing, and you will perish. I promise.

 

[IAM13]

There isn't really any point to making people feel unwelcome is there?
IAM13, I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

thank you cup of tea, I appreciate what you did here.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

Is there a saviour? Or is it by works and deeds that one is saved? (one's actions/self)

Salvation is not by works, nor deeds, nor faith etc...

Salvation is in knowing union with the divine.

In this, we recognize we are not the body or mind, we notice we are observing time...

This is eternal life, life lived beyond time.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

That union is by grace, although you can work to be more open to its happening...

It can also happen to atheists that have no interest in spirituality, while deep believers will meditate for years and years with nothing happening to them.

It is unpredictable, but man hates that.

All religions are really just man attempting to cause grace, nothing more.

Yet, if you look at the enlightened beings who describe their own encounter, it is when they stopped all attempts, when they really gave up the whole thing... then something took them over...

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

This union is the second coming in a way.

It is the teachings about Messiah in Kaballah and Zohan of the Jews.

It is also in line with the Muslims.

That state of union is the only way to know God.

Texts can only permit your imagination to race, it cannot show any reality.

It is also your Buddha-nature, it is to know Brahman, it is the Tao, it is all religions ever talk about...

On this, there are no disagreements possible in the traditions.

Note that I am not saying this encounter makes YOU God, no, that YOU is the barrier to union.

The world of YOU is maya, ignorance, etc

Delusion.

The story is simply a fallacy.

 

[SatyamAbhidi]

I have studied many ancient faiths, and this is always there.

You will think that all these polytheistic faiths would disagree... those preaching loudly about the greatness of Abraham as the first monotheist are simply befooling themselves though.

The ancient traditions had Gods for this, Gods for that... all aspects of a single reality.

Abraham was just the first fanatic that insisted the rest were crap... yet even he just turned them into angels and demons... it is the same thing really.

Every tradition has pertained to truth, none contain it.

 

[IAM13]

Thanks Saty, your sharing's are insightful and appreciated.

You shared that every tradition pertained to truth and that none contained it, and I fully agree. Now with that said, can you begin to realize what makes this potential tradition so different? This journey pertains to truth and contains it via the God seed that is within each and every one of us. So the very source of the truth on this pathway does not begin outside oneself, rather it begins and stays within oneself. And hence this is exactly why I wish to share everything that is happening as it happens, because if you begin to take the challenge and pathway on, you quickly come to realize that there is nothing between you and the source. You have a direct, unadulterated, real-time, constant connection. There is no place for me you see? No need for any logos or middle man, after all, it is your very birth rite that you may have this direct connection; something the institution's failed to inform us of.

I believe I am coming upon a rather profound leap in understanding a highly critical part to all of this which is unfolding, I am going to give it a little more time to manifest and then share it here. I cannot lie, I am so elated at the members in this forum, you guys are honestly the best I have experienced yet, hands down. I am hopeful that we may find ways to work together in helping to define and choose a world much better than the world we currently know. I trust we will.