Shiva adopted by Gnostics.

SatyamAbhidi said:
It is because you have grown up in a culture not conducive to this recognition.

It is not your fault, your religion has failed.

Is simply incompetent as far as a teaching.

Most Sufi's are uniting Yoga to Quranic verses.

The rest are accomplishing nothing.
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Most Sufi's? I doubt you have even vague proof to that. And Sufis aren't the definition of Islam. Allah never directed that we must follow the teachings of Ali equal to that of Mouhammed (PBUH). Hence the issues with Shias as well. I am Sunni by modern definition. I don't prescribe to a school of thought other than my own about Hadiths. I would say if Sufis are uniting Yoga to Quranic verses it isn't because Yoga is the full truth, but rather it is partial to the whole truth that is Islam. And that is yet another thing you will try to prove, by saying I am not enlightened.
 
Yoga is not a static teaching.

The dialog which used to cause unity has stopped.

That doesn't mean yoga is finished.

Every Guru is unique.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Most Sufi's? I doubt you have even vague proof to that. And Sufis aren't the definition of Islam. Allah never directed that we must follow the teachings of Ali equal to that of Mouhammed (PBUH). Hence the issues with Shias as well. I am Sunni by modern definition. I don't prescribe to a school of thought other than my own about Hadiths. I would say if Sufis are uniting Yoga to Quranic verses it isn't because Yoga is the full truth, but rather it is partial to the whole truth that is Islam. And that is yet another thing you will try to prove, by saying I am not enlightened.
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Nah, it is a way to bring Muslims into yoga.

The Yogi doesn't depend any text.
His union is expressed in all true texts.

The very fact he can use the Quran too shows the universality of his truth.

He is truly impartial.
 
I think you will admit that your religion hasn't changed you, transformed you, in any way that isn't merely superficial. What, then, is the point of Islam? Conscious life is not created to follow instructions, it is created to expand consciousness.

Muhammad is one of the few religious figures that has not even tried.

Indeed, towards the issue of Jesus, he has been a step back...

At least if Jesus is divine, divinity is possible in the play.

Now, Islam has made it entirely other.
 
When you understand that few Muslims are happy, many actually await their deaths eagerly, especially in those places where Sharia is most stringent... you cannot imagine how anyone follows it.

Perhaps someone will explain it one day, beyond "I was born Arab" or "My parents are arabic".

Certainly, it is the furthest thing from the religion of peace...

I can't remember the last time I heard arabic spoken and didn't think someone was about to end up in hospital.

It just sounds angry.
 
I feel like most Muslims are just fearful of Judgement Day and the like.

Jesus hasn't come through in 2000 years, why will Muhammad?

Certainly, more Messengers have come since him.

Many FAR more enlightening than Muhammad.
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
I feel like most Muslims are just fearful of Judgement Day and the like.

Jesus hasn't come through in 2000 years, why will Muhammad?

Certainly, more Messengers have come since him.

Many FAR more enlightening than Muhammad.
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And yet you are one with all, and can't even hold a realistic conversation? And with a bit of racism thrown in toward Arabs. That is nice. I guess you could use a few lessons in what Allah taught Mouhammed (PBUH) and all mankind, and what Mouhammed (PBUH) preached. You look at Christianity positively, yet cannot explain the basic doctrine as to how Jesus (PBUH) is prescribed as a Deity. And you say I haven't become enlightened to anything since adopting (or readopting) Islam, and you don't know me. If he Unified the truth, and I already believed what the Jews and Christian texts say, why would I be so changed. I was awakened to the truth, and explained the errors. Try reading or at least listening, you might find your complete truth is only part. and part incorrect. I have listened to yours, and Have found no reason to alter my beliefs or suggest a change in my understanding. Maybe there's a reason for that. Then again you could just be wrong, no harm right?
 
BigJoeNobody said:
And yet you are one with all, and can't even hold a realistic conversation? And with a bit of racism thrown in toward Arabs. That is nice. I guess you could use a few lessons in what Allah taught Mouhammed (PBUH) and all mankind, and what Mouhammed (PBUH) preached. You look at Christianity positively, yet cannot explain the basic doctrine as to how Jesus (PBUH) is prescribed as a Deity. And you say I haven't become enlightened to anything since adopting (or readopting) Islam, and you don't know me. If he Unified the truth, and I already believed what the Jews and Christian texts say, why would I be so changed. I was awakened to the truth, and explained the errors. Try reading or at least listening, you might find your complete truth is only part. and part incorrect. I have listened to yours, and Have found no reason to alter my beliefs or suggest a change in my understanding. Maybe there's a reason for that. Then again you could just be wrong, no harm right?
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Please show me what I am wrong about.

If you cannot understand why belief AS SUCH is erroneous, fine.

I do not even believe in Shiva, I do not think he is some ancient being living on some other plane or however else we want to think of him.

I am quite aware he is a principle, a representative of truth.

Truth itself is always union.

What else is necessary? Even your Quran says it, all is Tawhid.

You are offended because I have pushed at your identifications.

THAT is why living partially is wrong.
 
There is nothing that isn't Allah.

Except everything we don't want to accept.

Strange.

Jesus is considered divine because his consciousness has united with the universal consciousness.

All Yogi's strive for this, it is like Eucharist for the Catholic, it is sort of part of the point for him.

If you don't know Yoga, a Yogi will look Godlike, a prophet, messenger, whatever.

For the Yogi, he has attained to Guru.

Now he is able to teach.

Not before.

And they all have, congratulations.
 
For me, only these men - a Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha - are actually religious.

Short of this, you blaspheme the word.
 
wil said:
What did you see as racism?
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I through this:

SatyamAbhidi said:
When you understand that few Muslims are happy, many actually await their deaths eagerly, especially in those places where Sharia is most stringent... you cannot imagine how anyone follows it.

Perhaps someone will explain it one day, beyond "I was born Arab" or "My parents are arabic".

Certainly, it is the furthest thing from the religion of peace...

I can't remember the last time I heard arabic spoken and didn't think someone was about to end up in hospital.

It just sounds angry.
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Is essentially the same as racism.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
I through this:

Is essentially the same as racism.
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It is not racism at all, though.

It is saying that race is purely accidental.

You should not live your life in such a way as to uphold it.

You are you, the rest is an accident of birth.
 
For me, racism is of two parts, although only half is usually expressed.

The more conventional racist is of hatred, he is apposed to whole groups.

The less conventional racist is the one that favors his own, thinks his own are the highest.

Both are towards separation.

Both the Jew and Muslim think they're special.

God has given them a special place.

This is wrong.

Union with part is always going to cause issues.

It is exclusive, what is not included will rebel.
 
It is bound to be so, life strives for union.

It will go on asking you to unite this and that.

Shakti desires Shiva.
Energy moves towards consciousness.
This union is her only purpose.

Om Shanti.
 
wil said:
Which part?


break it down... which line is racist?
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No, I'm not interested in that, I think that was akin to racism, twisting and turning what racism is or isn't has never produced anything of value to me.
 
Well to me it is just a potshot.... a drive by...

Not willing to actually discuss the issue on a discussion forum seems counter productive.

Identifying what concerns you, and allowing others to defend their statement or withdraw, that is of value...

but that is just me.
 
I said it was my opinion, is there more? Shall you now prove that is not racist?
 
I don't know what it is that folks perceive as racist... how can I prove or discuss whether it is or it isn't?

I am not a mind reader. I don't know what you or Joe see at issue...

I am willing to learn if anyone is willing to discuss.
 
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