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http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=50#MIQk4C0KWtOpzbAq.01


He says that while people from various global faiths may be "seeking God or meeting God in different ways" that it is important to keep in mind that "we are all children of God".
This is the most recent example that shows that the Pope has completely abandoned any notion that a relationship with God is available only through Jesus Christ.

Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=50#74iEDYE65ABUDgQl.99
 
wil said:
This is the most recent example that shows that the Pope has completely abandoned any notion that a relationship with God is available only through Jesus Christ.
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OK ... er ... and the link to the video? :rolleyes:
 
Watched it. Doesn't say anything of the sort. The PWN statement is fake news.
 
Thomas said:
Watched it. Doesn't say anything of the sort. The PWN statement is fake news.
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Really, it is different words, paraphrased but exactly what he said. I believe your issue is with
This is the most recent example that shows that the Pope has completely abandoned any notion that a relationship with God is available only through Jesus Christ.
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. And the pope said
He says that while people from various global faiths may be "seeking God or meeting God in different ways" that it is important to keep in mind that "we are all children of God".
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help me understand the difference.

It sure appears he is saying other people of other faiths have a relationship with G!d and are Children of G!d... Without the christian intermediary...without Jesus, without the bible...
 
wil said:
It sure appears he is saying other people of other faiths have a relationship with G!d and are Children of G!d... Without the christian intermediary...without Jesus, without the bible...
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No, not at all. That would be a complete departure from Catholic doctrine, wouldn't it, and if a pope did declare that, then his office would be declared invalid.

This is the kind of thing everyone's been claiming since Benedict took the Chair of St Peter, but really it's spin.

Having said that, everyone in the world is capable of a relationship with God, and we are all children of God in that we are His creation, through Christ. God is not other than Christ, not other than the Trinity.

So it may well be that people have a relationship with God who have never seen, heard or read the bible, but the relationship is with the Triune God, through the Holy Spirit, through the Son, to the Father.

Both St Peter and St Paul realised this: "What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you" (Acts 17:23).
 
Is the Catholic news agency a fake news site?


“Many think differently, feel differently, seeking God or meeting God in different ways. In this crowd, in this range of religions, there is only one certainty that we have for all: we are all children of God,” Pope Francis said in his message, released Jan. 6, the feast of the Epiphany.
 
Yes, as I said, we are all children of God. I don't dispute that.

But I repeat, that relationship is in Christ, made possible by His sacrifice.
 
The pope is saying clearly that we are all (from many religions) children of G!d and are all (thru various religions) seeking and meeting G!d, be us Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.

Unless he thinks Jesus has snuck into the OT, Koran and Vedas... It seems pretty clear the fake news site got their info from his speeches and just carried it to the logical conclusion.
 
Wil in this case you may be being too literal in your interpretation of the Pope's words. This pope has always had an attitude that religions need to do a better job of working towards common goals. I view his statements here in the same vein. He is striving for cooperation, yes. But not disregarding the basic Catholic tenants.
 
wil said:
The pope is saying clearly that we are all (from many religions) children of G!d and are all (thru various religions) seeking and meeting G!d, be us Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc.
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Yep. If you want to get into the deeper Christian understanding, then Christ is 'shadowed' in other religious traditions.

wil said:
Unless he thinks Jesus has snuck into the OT, Koran and Vedas...
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No, but he sees them as partial glimpses of a truth that was revealed in its fulness in Christ.

wil said:
It seems pretty clear the fake news site got their info from his speeches and just carried it to the logical conclusion.
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It's only 'logical' if you don't understand Christian doctrine.
 
Thomas said:
So it may well be that people have a relationship with God who have never seen, heard or read the bible, but the relationship is with the Triune God, through the Holy Spirit, through the Son, to the Father.
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As Bhagavad Gita 9.23 puts it:

...those who worship devotedly different demigods, although faithfully; they also worship me...
 
While we're on the topic, it might be worth noting ...

The popular and more sensational media like to pick up what Benedict says and run with it, and certainly he's said a few things to their delight — remember the comment about anyone threatening my mum can expect a punch on the nose? (not turn the other cheek, Bene?) — but if he says anything that actually contravenes Catholic dogma, then you'll hear the outcry far and wide.

And contrary to popular belief, whatever the Pope says does not immediately carry the imprimatur of infallibility — that applies only under very strict circumstances. But we can all rest assured that if Benedict says something that actually contradicts Catholic doctrine, the outcry will be heard far and wide.

Certainly there are disputes — marriage and communion for the divorced is one at present — but these are invariably not reported by the populist media because they're not sensational enough.

So there will always be the 'popular' face of the papacy, and the 'real' face which takes a bit more research, insight and discernment.
 
I like the twist!!!

He says they are connecting to G!d in various relationships... but...

If you are Hindu, Muslim, whatever you are connecting to G!d, the triune G!d thru the Jesus port...
 
How could you expect a traditional Christian to see it any other way?
 
I don't know... But making Jesus and the accepting of Jesus a unilateral, unconsensual, invisible action, is really interesting...
 
It reminds me of the Muslims that tell me we are all Muslim, everyone has always been Muslim we just don't know it yet.

And now we are all christian as well....without all that wine n bread n going to church or bible reading.. As long as we believe in a god...it is the G!d... Am looking forward to how agnostic, atheist, Buddhist and Shinto folks will get into the fold (they were already in mine!)

But hey, he struck a chord with me once again!


http://nypost.com/2017/02/15/pope-francis-weighs-in-on-dakota-access-pipeline-conflict/
 
But surely this isn't so surprising? Some religions revolve around a community, some a country, like Shinto. But both Christianity and Islam have always stated that they followed the One God that created everything and all people. Sure, there are some disagreements on specific practises but other religions must be worshipping:
a) the same divine source as us.
b) nothing but stories or lies.
c) some Satan character.

The first one fits my own experience with religious people, even though there are exceptions.
 
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