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Sorry I just hjad a look and that should of meant Daniel 2.43 :)

(Im trying to type on a mobile phone and I am finding it quite difficult to be honest, both to quote specific parts and to keeping the relevent parts Im supposed to be replying too so please accept my apologies.cheers)
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After living in the filth and squalor of a Roman prison for two years, Paul was at the end of his endurance. He again presented his case before Festus and again the Pharisees furnished no supporting evidence for the innocuous correct charges they presented. Paul, fearing that Festus would not release him and might send him to Jerusalem, panicked and appealed to Caesar.

Festus and his friend King Agrippa held a second hearing. Festus had complained to Agrippa that he had no proper charges to send to Nero—Mosaic religious charges not being offences under Roman law. Festus simply said they had some points of disagreement...about their own religion and about a dead man, Jesus, whom Paul asserted to be alive (Acts 25). King Agrippa after hearing this, remarked: This man might have been set free if he had not appealed to Caesar” (Acts 26).

Festus sends Paul to Rome and the first thing Paul did when he reached Rome is send for the Pharisees. Acts 28 attempts to mislead saying this was to preach Jesus’ message, but he clearly pleaded for help saying…I requested to see you and to speak with you, for I am wearing this chain for the sake of the hope of Israel. He explained his role in the conspiracy was the last hope for Israel—to halt the growth of the Jesus Jews.

Acts stops here abruptly. We only find out why by deciphering the writings of Josephus, a Pharisee historian of the era whose writings clearly cover up Paul’s events in Rome. We know for a fact that Christian writers forged some of his works (Testimonium flavium). Inevitably, therefore they would also have edited his other works seeking to hide and cover up Paul’s role in the Pharisee conspiracy. Whatever passage his writings passed through, its present hide and seek texts do not lend to being summarised easily. Suffice to say, Paul is mentioned clearly in three of his five principal works.

Josephus confirms.....

In Wars (II; 20:1; p.497) he refers toCostobaurus and Saul associated withPhilip in Ceasarea—which matches Acts 21:8. In Antiquities (Book 20; Chapter 9; 4), Saulus, an associate of Costobarustogether persecuted Jews weaker than themselves with murder and mayhem. This matches Acts 22:4-5. Clearly, it is highly improbable that these similarities are coincidental. In addition, Josephus emphasises Saulus having a Roman royal connection through Agrippa (not King Agrippa). Paul claimed kinship withHerodian, a name associated with the reigning dynasty of Judea living in Rome (Rom 16:11). Thus, Paul may have had a connection with the Roman royal family through Herod Antipas. This would explain Paul’s family link to Caesar’s household (Philippians 4:22). Moreover, since we know that the Pharisees conspired with the Herodians against Jesus (Mar 3:6) Paul’s royal connection certainly explains why the Pharisees chose him to persecute the Jesus Jews and later to be a Pharisee plant. Paul’s royal connection and his Roman Citizenship gave him unassailable protection against the Roman authorities while persecuting the Jesus Jews. Further, Josephus suggests Saul knew Nero personally (Wars II; 20:1; p.497)—which perhaps was another reason why Paul appealed to Nero.


Josephus, himself a Pharisee, presents the Pharisee propaganda that Saulus was aRoman Agent to divide the Jews—clearly after Paul’s role in the conspiracy as a Pharisee agent to divide the Jesus Jews from Orthodox Jewry, was exposed. Josephus also describes a Jew perfectly fitting Paul’s description living in Romedriven away from his own country by an accusation laid against him for transgressing their laws (Antiquities 18.3.5). Obviously, he must have violated Mosaic Law not violated Roman Law, since he was living in Rome. Craftily the name of the Jewish priest is not given—evidently hiding Paul’s name due to his infamy in the Pharisee conspiracy. However, he discloses that this Jewish priest, despite transgressing Mosaic Lawprofessed to instruct men in the wisdom of the laws of Moses.

Fulfilling Jesus’ prophecy that the Pharisee who would seek to destroy his teachings and followers would be a thief and a robber, Josephus relates how thislearned Jew stole money donated for the temple at Jerusalem by a Roman woman named Fulvia, who had converted to Judaism—obviously one of Paul’s gentile converts. This fits the picture we construct in our book of Paul’s taking of money for preaching and his failure to ever deliver such money to Jerusalem as “charity” as he claimed he would.

All the above indicates that this wicked Jew was Paul who being a Roman citizen appealed to Caesar to escape punishment in Jerusalem for violating their laws. It is undeniable that it matches Paul’s story unfolded in Acts 21 to 28 where Paul was driven out for abrogating Moses’ Law and substituting it with Jesus’ blood atonement and resurrection. However, the most damning reference to Paul emerges in Josephus’ autobiography, Life.

In Life, Josephus states how as a young man, he set off on a mission to Rome to seek the liberty of certain Jewish priests who match Paul’s circumstances perfectly. Josephus was born in CE 37 and he says he was twenty-six years of age when he undertook this mission to procure therelease of certain priests who after being imprisoned by Governor Felix, had appealed to Caesar. He therefore arrived in Rome in CE 63. As a reminder, Paul arrived in Rome c. CE 59-60 and was executed in CE 64:

Life 3: But when I was in the twenty-sixth year of my age, it happened that I took a voyage to Rome, and this on the occasion which I shall now describe. At the time when Felix was procurator of Judea there were certain priests of my acquaintance, and very excellent persons they were, whom on a small and trifling occasion he had put into bonds, and sent to Rome to plead their cause before Caesar. These I was desirous to procure deliverance for, and that especially because I was informed that they were not unmindful of piety towards God, even under their afflictions, but supported themselves with figs and nuts… I became acquainted with Aliturius, an actor of plays, and much beloved by Nero, but a Jew by birth; and through his interest became known to Poppea, Caesar's wife, and took care, as soon as possible, to entreat her to procure that the priests might be set at liberty. And when, besides this favor, I had obtained many presents from Poppea, I returned home again.

It is highly unlikely that two separate individuals, both Jewish priests, should have been charged with violating Mosaic law in the era of Felix and both appealed to Caesar and been sent there to plead their cause, in the same timeframe. Interestingly, Paul makes reference to the family of Nero as being the key to his release, as Josephus himself says was the case.

We explain the differences in Josephus’ accounts in Part 1—however, the references clearly all relate to Paul. It shows how Paul was a criminal and a vicious murderer hell bent on destroying Jesus movement one way or another. It also shows how the Sanhedrin Pharisees were sending Josephus to try and secure the release of their man, even at the eleventh hour.

How God punished Paul....

An extraordinary series of circumstances brought Paul to his end:

The Romans were overly protective of him after his arrest in the Temple. His case would have been disposed in the normal course. Instead, it was progressively escalated to a higher level.

Paul’s Roman citizenship that he thought was his trump card and surety became the very instrument of his destruction. Without it he could not have appealed to Caesar and the Governor would have released him. Paul appealed to Caesar just when he might have been released. His hope in Nero may have been grounded in his familial links to the Herodians, and through them, to Rome's leading families by marriage.

At his first hearing before Caesar, Paul had admitted before Nero that he was a Christian leader in dispute with Jews about Jesus’ resurrection. Festus was compelled to state in the letter accompanying him that the charge against him was Jesus’ crucifixion-death and resurrection—the most fundamental aspect of all Paul’s doctrines.

A unique event in history then contrived to make Paul’s release impossible. An Emperor burning his own capital city and blaming someone for his madness. Nero burnt Rome on the night between 18 and 19 July 64 CE. Nero released others like Timothy, but not Paul. Festus’ letter condemned Paul too as a Christian leader.

Nero blamed the Christians. One can imagine Paul’s horror when he heard that Nero was blaming the Christians and he realised that he had admitted before Nero at his first hearing that he was a Christian leader in dispute with Jews about Jesus’ resurrection. Paul, a self proclaimed leader was there at the exactly right time on a religious dispute specifically on the centre-piece of his concocted doctrines—whether or not Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Nero himself was fighting for his life and was seeking to assuage the wrath of the Roman mob. Fortunately, for Nero, Paul was there for him!

Paul’s crucifixion-death and resurrection doctrines were designed to prove Jesus as false and accursed, and so prevent Orthodox Jews from accepting Jesus as the messiah. Christians need to ask whether the doctrines that became the instrument of its author’s destruction under such extraordinary circumstances that clearly show the Divine Hand, can be relied upon for their salvation?

Why does Paul not exist in rabbinical writings? Given the numerous disgraceful references to Jesus and Mary in the Talmud, one would have thought Paul the apostate from Judaism merited some mention. Indeed, he should have been demonised; his name should be a byword for betrayal, like Judas is for the Christians. Perhaps even a special prayer curse like the prayer of the minim—that they had for other Jesus Jews who accepted Jesus and for those who later converted to Islam. Paul’s total absence Rabbinic literature is only explicable once one realises that Paul was their plant in the Jesus movement—their hope of Israel.

He was Paul (little), not worth a footnote in history! It supports hypotheses in our other books where we show how the Pharisees in Rome later spread Paul’s Christianity by manipulating the Gospels of Mark, Luke and Matthew and later John and the other non-Pauline books of the New Testament. The above explains why the Quran also does not mention Paul though it refutes his doctrines. Paul may have given birth to Christianity but it was stillborn and given life later by the Pharisees of Rome over several centuries

Sayed M S Nasser (www.jesusorpaul.com)
 
I was just listening to a spooky tale on the radio. Its a podcast supposedly investigating strange events that leads into the unveiling of various shenanigans — witchcraft, the occult, esoteric societies, secret government operations, local, natural disasters, UFO sightings, etc., etc.

There's a brilliant and apposite line:
He (investigator) is being briefed by an historian as to how all these separate threads form a weave. "It all fits," he says.
She (the historian): "If you want to take the fairy tale on to something pretending to be a logical conclusion,"
"It all fits," he says.
"Of course it fits," she says. "It's supposed to fit. That's how conspiracy theories work."
 
:(:D:pIs it a try before you buy type glitch!?!
I have other threads currently ongoing on other sites so it's a consolation I guess. Looks like I might have to remain there until the glitch is sorted?? (presumptions eh...)
 
I was just listening to a spooky tale on the radio. Its a podcast supposedly investigating strange events that leads into the unveiling of various shenanigans — witchcraft, the occult, esoteric societies, secret government operations, local, natural disasters, UFO sightings, etc., etc.

There's a brilliant and apposite line:
He (investigator) is being briefed by an historian as to how all these separate threads form a weave. "It all fits," he says.
She (the historian): "If you want to take the fairy tale on to something pretending to be a logical conclusion,"
"It all fits," he says.
"Of course it fits," she says. "It's supposed to fit. That's how conspiracy theories work."
Bravo!
Do you believe Daniel 2:43 is a conspiracy?
How do you interpret it Thomas?
(assuming you read my earlier post asking the same thing). I was sat at my desk earlier trying desperately hard to interpret the "plague" as some sort of ailment that the NHS might be struggling to accommodate? That flies over most peoples heads but I trust you understand the joke.
 
I'm not a scholar or believer, but I think the divided iron and clay kingdom from the kings dream is often interpreted as referring to the Greeks?
 
Hi usernamed —
Do you believe Daniel 2:43 is a conspiracy?
No. Its a common literary genre of the region

How do you interpret it Thomas?
Quite orthodox in that regard.

The book belongs to a narrative type we call 'apocalyptic'. The genre was common from 300C to 100AD, among Jews and Christians, but also Greeks, Romans, Persians and Egyptians. A hero is the recipient or, as in Daniel's case, the interpreter, of a divine revelation, rich with prophetic utterances concerning the end of a given age.

Daniel 2 can be typified as a 'court legend', set in the royal court, concerned with supernatural events and containing an edifying message. It follows the pattern: a person of low status is called before a person of high status to solve a riddle; the advisers to the high-status person (high persons themselves) cannot solve the riddle, the person of low status solves it and is rewarded.

Does it have any contemporary application? Well, only in the most general terms. It's when we start getting into deciding what the symbolism means specifically we get into trouble.

You highlight 2:43, the iron and clay by which the lower parts of a statue are made.

Most modern scholars agree that the four parts of the statue represent the four world empires: Babylon (the head), the Medes (arms and shoulders), Persia (thighs and legs) and the union of Seleucid Syria and Ptolemaic Egypt (feet). The consensus is that the four beasts of chapter 7 symbolise the same four world empires.

The symbolism of the stone which destroys the statue and becomes a mountain evokes biblical imagery of God as the "rock" of Israel, Zion as a mountain rising above all others, and God's glory filling the whole world, the Book of Isaiah seem to be especially favoured. Whether the author was conscious of it or not, the image of the shattered statue blown away in the wind like chaff from the threshing floor brings to mind Isaiah 41:14-15 where Israel is a threshing sled that turns mountains into chaff, and the rock itself reflects the address to the Judean exiles in Isaiah 51:1, "look to the rock from which you were hewn."

Christians interpreted the four empires as the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman.

Seventh-day Adventists interpret the iron and clay mixture as the many short-lived attempts throughout European history to form a large empire such as the Holy Roman Empire, Napoleonic France, Nazi Germany, The European Union.

Given enough time, one could work it to cover members of one's family, people one works with, whatever.
 
A literary work I enjoy, of our times, which revolves around the construction of a world-view where "everything fits", is Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". Good read, stimulating, and importantly, fiction, so it doesn't have to be taken too seriously.
 
Hi usernamed —

No. Its a common literary genre of the region


Quite orthodox in that regard.

The book belongs to a narrative type we call 'apocalyptic'. The genre was common from 300C to 100AD, among Jews and Christians, but also Greeks, Romans, Persians and Egyptians. A hero is the recipient or, as in Daniel's case, the interpreter, of a divine revelation, rich with prophetic utterances concerning the end of a given age.

Daniel 2 can be typified as a 'court legend', set in the royal court, concerned with supernatural events and containing an edifying message. It follows the pattern: a person of low status is called before a person of high status to solve a riddle; the advisers to the high-status person (high persons themselves) cannot solve the riddle, the person of low status solves it and is rewarded.

Does it have any contemporary application? Well, only in the most general terms. It's when we start getting into deciding what the symbolism means specifically we get into trouble.

You highlight 2:43, the iron and clay by which the lower parts of a statue are made.

Most modern scholars agree that the four parts of the statue represent the four world empires: Babylon (the head), the Medes (arms and shoulders), Persia (thighs and legs) and the union of Seleucid Syria and Ptolemaic Egypt (feet). The consensus is that the four beasts of chapter 7 symbolise the same four world empires.

The symbolism of the stone which destroys the statue and becomes a mountain evokes biblical imagery of God as the "rock" of Israel, Zion as a mountain rising above all others, and God's glory filling the whole world, the Book of Isaiah seem to be especially favoured. Whether the author was conscious of it or not, the image of the shattered statue blown away in the wind like chaff from the threshing floor brings to mind Isaiah 41:14-15 where Israel is a threshing sled that turns mountains into chaff, and the rock itself reflects the address to the Judean exiles in Isaiah 51:1, "look to the rock from which you were hewn."

Christians interpreted the four empires as the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman.

Seventh-day Adventists interpret the iron and clay mixture as the many short-lived attempts throughout European history to form a large empire such as the Holy Roman Empire, Napoleonic France, Nazi Germany, The European Union.

Given enough time, one could work it to cover members of one's family, people one works with, whatever.
Not very orthodox then really.
It refers to THE very last kingdom of this age so Im not quite sure how you could settle for greek or persian as even the Roman empire had not run its course (even though understandably the west continues it's financial system of tax commerce in persona but further utilizing and incorporating babylonian system of usury), but an interesting concept all the same, the book of revelation mirrors Daniel in prophetic structure as does other books in the original testement (which I believe you know this). I love history, don't get me wrong but it is no match for inspired prophecy, God speaks to his faithful in the future in their own times (and languages), I find many scholars just seem to misunderstand the biblical precepts of praying for understanding to discern content (available to man and child or basically all levels of comprehension alike) and have a way with words only to become more distancing to their contemporaries and failing themselves in the process. For them It's all about controlling the narrative. Thanks for answering.
 
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Haven’t changed any settings that should impact that. Let me try a few more things and see what I can do.
Got my editing function back (I don't use spell checking for my otherwise poor English so rely on to some degree and glad to see the option available again.
Thanks
 
Reminds me of something me dad use to say when one of us made a query like that, "If you have to ask, probably not." -;)
I agree 100%
Christians (the ones I work with or get the opportunity to speak to) know very little if anything of any real value about any thing to do with their own holy book, they pretty much fall into the categories of the first and second seeds in the parable of the sower, so Im not sure they would even know to ask. It is a bit like all knowledge... If you don't ask you simply won't recieve it (seek and ye shall find).
 
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A literary work I enjoy, of our times, which revolves around the construction of a world-view where "everything fits", is Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". Good read, stimulating, and importantly, fiction, so it doesn't have to be taken too seriously.
Is it fiction?
George Orwell got the propaganda down to a "T" (and to a degree the telescreen if you consider the mobile phone) and to say of Huxley's brave new world...
Although not spirituality inspired, many writers have had an uncanny forsight into modern political functions, but even that becomes easy iif you know what the guiding forces are or who they are.
What I want to know is how Cancer Research and the WHO are able to not only predict the rise in cancer but also specify what type of cancer and....which demographs of society can be forcasted to be effected by it, while showing suprisingly more accuracy than the weather stations, who collectively with all the most futuristic technology have no idea where a gust of wind starts or where it finishes.
But if we going with poular opinion on priorities Manchester United beat Manchester City 2-1 and that truely was the highest trending priority in the UK on the previous Sabbath...The soul, it's eternal destination and the health of the nation is old hat.
 
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Is it fiction?

Very obviously so, to me. Satire, even. But very well-researched satirical fiction from an author who has some pretty deep insights. The best satire, I think, is done by people who really are personally into what they are writing about, not just criticising superficially.

What I want to know is how Cancer Research and the WHO are able to not only predict the rise in cancer but also specify what type of cancer and....which demographs of society can be forcasted, with suprising accuracy.

Science works surprisingly often! Statistics, when done correctly (looking at you, Data "Science") is a very powerful tool. Our most precise scientific theory, Quantum Electrodynamics, is statistical in nature.

To think the weather stations have no idea where a gust of wind starts or finishes.

Turbulence is a notoriously hard problem. If you remember the 80ies and early 90ies, there was this popular mathematical fad of "chaos", fractals, butterly effects and so on. In Weather patterns, small local differences can have big global effects, while in statistics, the local differences average out.

Or you can consider that a single gust of wind vs. demographic development is a bit like the difference between predicting future trends in global health, and predicting a single person's health over the next few years.
 
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Matthew. The first synoptic gospel, which some believe was dictated by St Peter
This is incorrect. I apologise. The Gospel of Mark is regarded as the first synoptic and is supposed to be dictated by Peter
 
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