Organized Religion Does Not Have a Monopoly on Spirituality

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This is something I wrote about a month ago in another discussion that might dovetail nicely with some good discussions I am having with Thomas and RJM. I appreciate their inputs and all others' inputs as well. I don't seek to diss religion, I seek to give ourselves due credit where it is due. I recognize that having come away from a staunch organized religion has changed my perspective. I maintain however that a more appropriate emphasis than the organization is the person. It appears to me that this is usually where the tension is.

Organized Religion Does Not Have a Monopoly on Spirituality

In the field of space-time we have opposites. This is the field of relativity which means relationship, relatedness. “…there is tremendous interconnectedness of everything. You see that everything goes together, which is what we mean by relativity. Relativity means relatedness – fronts go with backs, tops goes with bottoms, insides with outsides, solids with spaces. Everything goes together.”(1) There is no absolute truth here. There is, however, in the realm which is beyond categories.

Here in space-time, with we humans which use language, words cut apart, delineate, categorize, and separate. We must experience the absolute, not talk about it. Words cannot get us to the absolute anymore than reason can.

We need to take heed and be careful of those who claim certainty, especially certainty with truth, for it will stifle our own spiritual growth. Now that seems like a hard thing to say, but hear me out. The Buddha said “Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth is not even to think.”(2) The Zen Masters realized after long experience that “words cannot open another’s mind.”(3)

The reason religious apologists cannot have the truth is because they talk all the time about how to attain it and they share evidences, and argue, and continually assault verbally all others. They justify their choices of beliefs through reason. Reasoning isn’t about finding the truth, it is about justifying your choices. “One reasons to support one’s emotional reactions.”(4) They reason, as most in any group does actually, to confirm what they already believe in, which strengthens their own confirmation bias. Because they are accountable to higher authority, they “pursue socially strategic goals, such as guarding our reputations and convincing other people to support us, or our team…”(5) The reality of what makes apologetics tick is that “they search for reasons to convince themselves that they have made the right choice… conscious reasoning is carried out largely for the purpose of persuasion, rather than discovery… our moral thinking is much more like a politician searching for votes than a scientist searching for truth.”(6) We are literally driven more by what people think, according to several new psychology tests, than by us possessing truth. What others think, especially leaders, having authority over us, matters.(7)

The problem as John Dewey knew – “Adherence to any body of doctrines and dogmas based upon a specific authority signifies distrust in the power of experience to provide in its own ongoing movement, the needed principles of belief and action. Faith in its newer sense signifies that experience itself is the sole authority.”(8) One’s personal “…sensory activity has been used as a means of participating in the sacred and attaining to the divine,” which through our personal experiences and senses, all incursions of the sacred and cosmic environment are our religious experience.(9) Joseph Campbell realized after visiting gurus and studying the ancient myths the enlightening concept that “we are to say ‘yea’ to life, not because it is ‘nice,’ or because we are lucky enough to have certain advantages in it, but because there is an innate affinity between the soul and that which it encounters in the field of space and time. Experience is the food of the soul.”(10) Another shocking conclusion based on experience of thousands of Zen Masters is that “no authentic wisdom can be imitated. Each man must find it for himself, because there is really no other way of putting it into words, of reaching it by any specific methods or directions.”(11)

In so very many ancient myths and ceremonies from every corner of the globe, for millenia, “the initiation of each adolescent, one is present at a new cosmology… everywhere one meets with the mysteries of initiation, and everywhere… they include the symbolism of death and a new birth.”(12) In the early Jewish religious ceremonies of First Temple Judaism, “the function of the sanctuary, [Solomon’s Temple] where the initiate has once come to be ‘wedded’ to God’s light and wisdom,” scholarship has discovered “it was through his ‘marital’ fusion with man that God became incarnate in the midst of his people…” The symbol of the ultimate union of God and man, the union of opposites, in earthly terms being a man and woman, was the ancient cherubim above the Mercy Seat, in the ancient Jewish temple, which were known to have been in a sexual embrace, as a male and female cherubim.(13) The purpose was not sex or idolatry, it was to help the people grasp there was higher spirituality through union with the Divine, since the Cherubim represented the male and female aspect of Deity, neither one prevailing, both in a teamwork with humanity. Neither sex elevated above the other, both necessary to become one together, unified in hope, love, and joy.

This Godly union is not rejected or inaccessible to individuals either. Ralph Waldo Emerson describes a simple walk in the woods, or a night of watching stars – “Standing on the bare ground – my head bathed by the blithe air and uplifted into infinite space – all mean egotism vanishes. I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing; I see all; the currents of the Universal Being circulate through me; I am part or particle of God.”(14) Albert Einstein noted “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms – this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center [of] true religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men…

A human being is part of the whole… he experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures, and the whole of nature in its beauty.”(15)

Charles Darwin records a similar experience in his autobiography:

“In my journal I wrote that whilst standing in midst of the grandeur of a Brazilian forest, ‘it is not possible to give an adequate idea of the higher feelings of wonder, admiration, and devotion which fill and elevate the mind,’ I well remember my conviction that there is more in man than the breath of his body.”(16)

The idea, according to Haidt, of what we are seeing when people express themselves in this way, is that “in nature a portal between the realm of the profane and the realm of the sacred,” is actual.(17) It’s not mystical woo woo, it’s a fundamental human experience. What awe does is “shut down the self, making you feel that you are simply a part of a whole.”(18)

Goethe said the baffling was the wonderful, and “the highest to which man can attain is wonder; and if the prime phenomenon makes him wonder, let him be content; nothing higher can it give him, and nothing further should he seek for behind it; here is the limit.”(19)

Spirituality can come from within groups, there is rather a lot of evidence for this. Spirituality can come for and in individuals as well. There is no one exclusive way or means to acquire the awe, the wonder, of reality. “…there is somewhere deep within us a yearning to contact the spiritual core of existence.”(20) The key is exhilarating for one who has lost her “group” as it were, for whatever reason. The person is not now cripple, wicked, apostate, or evil. We get to enjoy the experience of being alive. “…it is the living of your life in openness to the unseen world which is truly the essence of a religion, and not merely the piety that comes in accepting or articulating what someone says you should believe.”(21)

Spirituality is liberal for all, no matter who or what we are, to partake of and bathe in, if that is the individual desire. One does not need permission in order to pursue spirituality, one needs an openness to experience, which when properly paid attention to, opens one up to transcendence. If that can be accomplished through group or organized religion for a person, then do it. If it takes individuality, then proceed from that vantage point. Above all else, no one and no group can decide for a person whether they are worthy or not, or good enough or not to be spiritual. That is entirely up to each man and woman for ourselves. Once the heart is allowed to pursue the spiritual, the universe is the limit.

Endnotes

1.Alan Watts, “Out of Your Mind, Tricksters, Interdependence, and the Cosmic Game of Hide and Seek,” Sounds True, 2017: 124.

2.Paul Reps, “Zen Flesh, Zen Bones,” Doubleday & Co., No date, p. 128.

3.Reps, p. 112.

4.Jonathan Haidt, “The Righteous Mind, Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion,” Vintage Books, 2012: 29.

5.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 87.

6.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 89.

7.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 89-91.

8.As found in Stephen and Robin Larsen, “Joseph Campbell: A Fire in the Mind, The Authorized Biography,” Inner Traditions, 2002: 146. Hereafter cited as “Fire in the Mind.”

9.Mercea Eliade, “Myths, Dreams, and Mysteries,” Harper & Row, 1960: 74.

10.Larsen, “Fire in the Mind,” p. 101.

11.Alan Watts, “Become What You Are,” Shambala, 2018: 40.

12.Mercea eliade, “Myths, Dreams, & Mysteries,” p. 197.

13.Eugene Seaich, “A Great Mystery: The Secret of the Jerusalem Temple: The Embracing Cherubim and At-One-Ment with the Divine,” Gorgias Press, 2008:1. Seaich’s book covers extensive analysis of the cherubim and the shocking, yet incredible discovery of its symbolism. See also Rephael Patai, “The Hebrew Goddess,” 3rd enlarged edition, Wayne State University Press, 1990: Chapter 3.

14.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 263.

15.Renee Weber, “Dialogues with Scientists and Sages: The Search For Unity,” Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1986: 203. He describes meeting Stephen Hawking in his own study and seeing the quote on his wall.

16.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 264. Haidt quotes from Wright, but I could not find it in Darwin’s son’s edition, “The Autobiography of Charles Darwin and Selected Letters,” Francis Darwin, Dover, 1958.

17.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 264.

18.Haidt, “The Righteous Mind,” p. 264.

19.Watts, “Become What You Are,” p. 60.

20.Larsen, “Fire in the Mind,” p. 550.

21.Larsen, “Fire in the Mind,” p. 551.
 
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..We are literally driven more by what people think, according to several new psychology tests, than by us possessing truth. What others think, especially leaders, having authority over us, matters.

Mmm .. but "what God thinks" is more important. This worldy life is relatively short, and while what other people think of us matters, it should not be our focus.

Pharaoh challenged Moses to a battle between him and the Pharaoh's magicians.
The summoned sorcerers threw their rods on the floor and they appeared to change into snakes by the effect of their magic. At first, Moses became concerned witnessing the tricks of the magicians, but was assured by God to not be worried. When Moses reacted likewise with his rod, the serpent devoured all the snakes. The sorcerers realized that they had witnessed a miracle, and they proclaimed belief in the message of Moses.

Pharaoh was enraged by this and accused them of working under Moses. He warned them that if they insisted in believing in Moses, that he would crucify them on the trunks of palm trees for their firmness in their faith. The magicians, however, remained steadfast to their newfound faith and were killed by Pharaoh

I would certainly not like to be Pharaoh.
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
 
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Mmm .. but "what God thinks" is more important. This worldy life is relatively short, and while what other people think of us matters, it should not be our focus.



I would certainly not like to be Pharaoh.
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

Oh, I dunno, it's pretty important to know what others think as well, but on your idea that its more important to know what God thinks, the problem so far as I can tell is, who gets to decide what God thinks?
 
..the problem so far as I can tell is, who gets to decide what God thinks?

That is for the individual to decide.
We will find out how seriously we took it to find out "what God thinks", when we die.
That is because those that do not care "what God thinks" will go astray, which has consequences in this life and the next.
 
That is for the individual to decide.
We will find out how seriously we took it to find out "what God thinks", when we die.
That is because those that do not care "what God thinks" will go astray, which has consequences in this life and the next.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

My own outlook is more along the lines of not letting threats of punishment or promises of rewards deter me from acting out of solidarity and love for my fellow human beings.

What is your understanding of death? Does it lie between this life and the next? How is death different from sleep, if there is a next life? (Asking to learn about your views, even if mine may differ)
 
My own outlook is more along the lines of not letting threats of punishment or promises of rewards deter me from acting out of solidarity and love for my fellow human beings..

What you interpret as "threats", I interpret as warnings. Warnings that can be found towards "infidels" in the Qur'an and OT, for example, are in the context of people who oppress others. We find in this worldly life that things are in pairs .. hot and cold, up and down, pleasure and pain etc.
The consequences for not treating other people fairly is serious. Divine justice is not as it might first appear. Our souls belong to God.
God sending a person to hell, is often imagined as "a god person" torturing people, whereas I understand it to be the nature of reality.
We get what we reap .. following satan causes us to wrong our own souls .. we have to suffer the consequences just as if we jump off of a tall building.

What is your understanding of death? Does it lie between this life and the next?

Naturally..

How is death different from sleep, if there is a next life?

I don't know the details.
Souls are spiritual, and our physical bodies are clearly finite. As we have been created now, we can be created again.
Can we be conscious without a brain? The answer does not change anything. God MIGHT create us again with a new brain.
..perhaps not quite the same as the physical brain we have now .. and our memories etc. could be "downloaded" into it :)
 
What you interpret as "threats", I interpret as warnings. Warnings that can be found towards "infidels" in the Qur'an and OT, for example, are in the context of people who oppress others. We find in this worldly life that things are in pairs .. hot and cold, up and down, pleasure and pain etc.
The consequences for not treating other people fairly is serious. Divine justice is not as it might first appear. Our souls belong to God.
God sending a person to hell, is often imagined as "a god person" torturing people, whereas I understand it to be the nature of reality.
We get what we reap .. following satan causes us to wrong our own souls .. we have to suffer the consequences just as if we jump off of a tall building.



Naturally..



I don't know the details.
Souls are spiritual, and our physical bodies are clearly finite. As we have been created now, we can be created again.
Can we be conscious without a brain? The answer does not change anything. God MIGHT create us again with a new brain.
..perhaps not quite the same as the physical brain we have now .. and our memories etc. could be "downloaded" into it :)

Thank you for a profoundly insightful post Muhammad Isa... very interesting. Yes, the idea of being punished by a vicious deity may not necessarily be accurate whatsoever, it may just be reflecting reality. You have given me things to ponder. May Allah be gentle with us all as we grope our way through life!
 
Hi ScholarlySeeker –
Organized Religion ...

Oh, I really dislike that term! :D Show me a disorganised religion tends to be my thought.

... Does Not Have a Monopoly on Spirituality
'Spiritual experience' is not the goal of religion, it's the goal of consumer culture.


People may describe a spiritual experience as
sacred or transcendent or simply a deep sense of aliveness and interconnectedness.

Indeed ... and it might be, and it equally might not be .... with no measure, one has no way of knowing.


If you train in Buddhist meditation, for example, quite early on you are told to ignore subjective experience, it's all part of the illusion.

We need to take heed and be careful of those who claim certainty, especially certainty with truth, for it will stifle our own spiritual growth...
We need to question on what authority on the matter are those who say that, too.

The Buddha said “Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth is not even to think.” The Zen Masters realized after long experience that “words cannot open another’s mind.”
And yet they speak ... ?

The reason religious apologists cannot have the truth is because they talk all the time about how to attain it and they share evidences, and argue, and continually assault verbally all others.
Whoa! That's a generalisation though, isn't it, because some apologists engage in the very dialogue you say they assault? You do seem to be taking a rather one-sided position here ...

The problem as John Dewey knew – “Adherence to any body of doctrines and dogmas based upon a specific authority signifies distrust in the power of experience to provide in its own ongoing movement, the needed principles of belief and action. Faith in its newer sense signifies that experience itself is the sole authority.”
And yet the subjective narrative of the most illusory aspect of our being?

In so very many ancient myths and ceremonies from every corner of the globe, for millenia, “the initiation of each adolescent, one is present at a new cosmology… everywhere one meets with the mysteries of initiation, and everywhere… they include the symbolism of death and a new birth.”
Surely a sign of a universal concept finding its particular expression.
 
Oh, I dunno, it's pretty important to know what others think as well, but on your idea that its more important to know what God thinks, the problem so far as I can tell is, who gets to decide what God thinks?

I see this has been explained in detail in the Baha'i Writings.

Man has been born on the edge of darkness and the beginning of light, that is to say the light is a potential within us all.

Our animal aspect contains the sum of all the darkness, our spiritual aspect is the potential of the Light within us.

So yes a person who claims to be spiritual, who say they have embraced God, may not yet have embraced the potential of that light any more, or even less than an atheist.

The scriptures are clear that all Good is from God and all else is from our own selves. The good creates and builds and produces fruit, all decay is us turning to our own animal selves.

There are many tangents to this topic and many things written.

All we can know of what is good and what is God, is via God's chosen Messengers, as they are the first example.

Regards Tony
 
The scriptures are clear that all Good is from God and all else is from our own selves. The good creates and builds and produces fruit, all decay is us turning to our own animal selves.

I would suspect that depends on whose scripture is read. The Jewish Kabbalist esoteric tradition reads a bit different, but the explanation is long. But for the most part, yes I think this is how most of us see the situation...
 
Whoa! That's a generalisation though, isn't it, because some apologists engage in the very dialogue you say they assault? You do seem to be taking a rather one-sided position here ...

Can't argue with you here. I do come from a previous apologetic background and probably have remnants of bitterness in me about it all...
 
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