Death is an illusion

rocala said:
I do see your point Aup, but I think in a spirituality forum, the possibility of a non-material aspect is to be considered and that is where the differences truly come into play.
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Of course, I mentioned my views. I have no problem with differing views. As I said my family and the whole of our small community is theist. I am the only one with atheist views. But that is OK in Hinduism.
 
rocala said:
I think Buddhism starts to look good here. What does intrigue me though, is if Buddhism is a way to this "reality", is it the only way?
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This is an impermanent, non-substantial world. Anicca, Anatta. Two magic words in Buddhism.
Buddha said: Once a person dies, he is really completely gone, even Indra and Brahma cannot find him. 'Gone with the wind'.
"Gate, gate, paragate, parsamagate."
 
Aupmanyav said:
Buddha said: Once a person dies, he is really completely gone, even Indra and Brahma cannot find him. 'Gone with the wind'.
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In this context, sounds rather nihilistic. I am not sure that is how it was meant. Perhaps this refers to change rather than gone without trace.
 
rocala said:
In this context, sounds rather nihilistic. I am not sure that is how it was meant. Perhaps this refers to change rather than gone without trace.
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It is not nihilistic. Buddha was definitely not a nihilist. Simply said, it means returning to the environment.
You were Brahman, you are Brahman, what constitutes you will still be Brahman even when you are no more.
That is "Tat twam asi" (That is what you are - Chandogya Upanishad, the second oldest Upanishad of Hinduism, 600 BCE)

Chandogya Upanishad 6.1.4:
"yathā somya ekena mṛitpiṇḍena sarvaṃ mṛinmayaṃ vijñātaṃ, syād vācārambhaṇaṃ vikāro nāmadheyaṃ, mṛttika iti eva satyam."
(O Serious inquirer, it is like this: By knowing a single lump of earth you know all objects made of earth. All changes in name are deformations in the matter of naming only. earth alone is the reality.)

Chandogya Upanishad, Verse 6.1.4 (English and Sanskrit)

Verse 4: O Somya, it is like this: By knowing a single lump of earth you know all objects made of earth. All changes are mere words, in name only. But...
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Aupmanyav said:
Simply said, it means returning to the environment.
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So this is referring purely to ones physical composition. I am not sure how this is relevant to spiritual aspects. It is claimed, I believe that Buddha could recall past lives.
 
powessy said:
In college I took a placement test to help me identify a career direction, I scored very high in spatial reasoning, hence the reason that I studied computer programming in school. I can imagine entire systems in my head and design and build from these images, which later I found that my true interests were in tool making and fabrication. What I am getting at is that even though I can imagine to this level my dreams and meditations fail in comparison to there ability to form imaginations and muster time to build entire systems.

An example of a meditation that I had, and I use this example to show not only that it had a lot of time but that the experience also taught me something I did not know anything about before this time. I moved up overlooking my brain and there were all these arms moving in the air "monkey arms" the thought was pushed into my thoughts and then an opening in a place foreign to me that had grasses much taller then me opened up. As we moved through the grass I could see monks sitting in the tall grass working on something and then the experience ended. I did not understand the monkey arms so I looked it up and the monks believe that the mind/brain needs to be taught and these minds brains are like monkeys. I have so many experiences that they have used to teach me things it is so hard to explain this.

In the beginning of this time one of the first things I did was become myself, in the first mind, there were people on the other side that helped me clear myself and find my time. For many years before this event I would find this place that had just this green grid covering my face, I tried so many times to find answers but the internet was in it's infancy. Anyway, the grids are an advanced virtual reality, they are placed over the whole body and then teaches you into the matrix. Right after becoming myself I was preparing for a nap and found myself on this ship inside of a small room and they had this grid they pulled up and over my body and the experience ended. The grids are like a fine meshed blanket but they are lit up I want to say they are made of a spider silk but that is only a guess, I believe this because the spiders can seem to figure them out.

I am not my body, but I did become myself inside this body to experience this lifetime.

powessy
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I get similar symbolic “messages” in my dreams. Teachers seeming to teach me spiritual truths. Lots of school and prison settings. Sometimes I am a teacher, but more often a student. Also some helping and healing stories. In one dream, a male voice gave me a Bible verse to look up, “Matthew 3:17. This was soon after my Father-in-Law died. The message was highly affirming, “This is my son, in whom I am well pleased”.
I call my dreams “Night School!”
Thanks for sharing your right brain gifts here, They are not as clearly defined as left brain communication, but good at reorienting attention and understanding. You and I are probably mystics. You maybe more than me, but we are a couple of blessed weirdos!
 
otherbrother said:
I get similar symbolic “messages” in my dreams. Teachers seeming to teach me spiritual truths. Lots of school and prison settings. Sometimes I am a teacher, but more often a student. Also some helping and healing stories. In one dream, a male voice gave me a Bible verse to look up, “Matthew 3:17. This was soon after my Father-in-Law died. The message was highly affirming, “This is my son, in whom I am well pleased”.
I call my dreams “Night School!”
Thanks for sharing your right brain gifts here, They are not as clearly defined as left brain communication, but good at reorienting attention and understanding. You and I are probably mystics. You maybe more than me, but we are a couple of blessed weirdos!
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Not sure about right brained but they use minds to activate brain areas I call this "yourself is not yourself". As long as I am not inside of myself "FIRST" then they can use my neurons for their thoughts, but this changes when I am back inside of myself "FIRST" first is the key word. I know this may sound strange but we are all many minds/yourselves becoming ourselves just not first if they can help it. My mind/brain is just active everywhere as all my neurons can figure out anything or anyone that enters into me. I don't often talk about them becoming me as I try not to trigger this idea in others. I am normally taught inside of them their minds and bodies of the others, remember it requires my time there for me to become myself there and that requires time in many timelines that just is not going to happen just too many minds are needed. You can think of the others there as phones that minds teach you into so those there can teach minds into you to figure things out. To move me around it is "yourself here first nothing here" so a shift from one person to another and this can happen over great distances. I can feel full physical and tactile movements and touching by minds if these parts of the brain are active in the phones. The phones are supposed to be part of a world exchange program allowing others to visit here as us.

Anyway, I again do not normally talk about this as I do not wish to cause triggers, I have minds inside of me that keep me from becoming badly done, I do not experience anything that will cause me problems or it is removed.

The schools are most likely from others you speak to online or in your life as minds ask questions from the veil. The prisoners are most likely a whole different story as they are dispensable, They are trapped inside of the veil to find time and figure things out in hopes to find retribution and become themselves.

One of the fastest ways to find the wrong kind of time is to not be yourself or ourselves. Again I do not discriminate and I do not judge, we all walk our own path but if it is the wrong path you will not find your time in the end of your life.



powessy
 
rocala said:
So this is referring purely to ones physical composition. I am not sure how this is relevant to spiritual aspects. It is claimed, I believe that Buddha could recall past lives.
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Buddha did not believe in past or future lives (anatta - non-substantiality). He used it only to explain things to lay people. Mahayana is not Buddha's Buddhism.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Buddha did not believe in past or future lives (anatta - non-substantiality). He used it only to explain things to lay people. Mahayana is not Buddha's Buddhism.
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Would using the idea of future lives he did not believe in be helpful?
Is it like the non-literal parables used by Jesus in the gospels? Or something wholly different?
 
TheLightWithin said:
What do you mean?
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People often wonder why we feel this way about things or this other way about things, how we know the difference between right and wrong this phenomenon is what I call ourselves. I try to explain this with sins and virtues, how do we draw the line between the two, where do the lines begin and end. Who decides right and wrong and if is yourself or not. The line that separates good and evil is ourselves it is the collective and the greatest mind with the most time, this is were these thoughts come from for those that can figure themselves out.

How do you judge an entire population of people, you must first establish a line not my line or your line but our line. If the minds on the left or right of ourselves become you you will not get that time back it is their time. You have to become yourself many times to become something here this means you need a lot of your time and this will only occur inside of ourselves. If you are a good person and you are true to yourself and others then you will have all your time.

powessy
 
TheLightWithin said:
Would using the idea of future lives he did not believe in be helpful?
Is it like the non-literal parables used by Jesus in the gospels? Or something wholly different?
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The superstitious people in his time were not ready for the full blast of his belief. Most people are not ready for it even today.
It takes a lot of courage to accept Buddha's views or Advaita (non-duality).
Yes, Buddha used parables but was actually wholly different in comparison to Jesus. Jesus was a superstitious Jew.
 
Aupmanyav said:
The superstitious people in his time were not ready for the full blast of his belief. Most people are not ready for it even today.
It takes a lot of courage to accept Buddha's views or Advaita (non-duality).
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Intriguing. What is non-duality exactly? I've run across the idea but I don't really know what it means or what the implications of it are.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Intriguing. What is non-duality exactly? I've run across the idea but I don't really know what it means or what the implications of it are.
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Non-duality (Advaita) is a very simple and scientific idea that all things in the universe arose of the energy at the time of Big Bang (no exclusions - humans, animals, vegetation or non-living substances). Therefore, there is no space of any God/Gods/Goddesses in it.
The basic implication is that we are not different from any other thing or any other human. Therefore, we should treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves.
 
wil said:
Religion: Key Differences:
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One has to be mindful of the nature of AI to present the most common, rather than the most accurate or insightful.

I know many who would regard those 'key differences' as the assumptions of those who do not actually practice a religion.
 
Thomas said:
One has to be mindful of the nature of AI to present the most common, rather than the most accurate or insightful.

I know many who would regard those 'key differences' as the assumptions of those who do not actually practice a religion.
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Oh exactly....but wait....is that a criteria? Those that practice spirituality but not religion opinions count don't they?

I also found some of the "differences" specious or meh, they would have not been all of what I would have said, but it did not feel appropriate to edit ai when I said it was ai.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Non-duality (Advaita) is a very simple and scientific idea that all things in the universe arose of the energy at the time of Big Bang (no exclusions - humans, animals, vegetation or non-living substances). Therefore, there is no space of any God/Gods/Goddesses in it.
The basic implication is that we are not different from any other thing or any other human. Therefore, we should treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves.
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Well, I suppose that's a view of Advaita.

My view of non-duality encapsulates the above, but allows for 'God' as prior to, and the cause of, but being utterly transcendent, is neither contained, conditioned, or measured by ...
 
wil said:
Oh exactly....but wait....is that a criteria? Those that practice spirituality but not religion opinions count don't they?
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Well of course, everybody's entitled to an opinion.
 
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