Is Wicca pagan-lite?

The New Forest coven might have been formed by Rosamund Sabine, who moved to the New Forest in 1924 and who had been involved in various esoteric groups like the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. She gathered like-minded friends who had an interest in the occult, and founded the coven.

Gerald Gardner claimed that he met, briefly joined then became dissatisfied with the Rosicrucian Order Crotona Fellowship, believing them to be devoid of any genuine esoteric knowledge. Meanwhile, he met a group of people who claimed to have been involved in a form of Freemasonry known as Co-Masonry – men and women, rather than exclusively male – having moved there to be close to Mabel Besant-Scott, daughter of the famous Theosophist Annie Besant.

Mabel Besant-Scott had assisted her mother in both British Co-Masonry and the Theosophical Society in Adyar, India and after her mother's death, Mabel Besant-Scott briefly became the head of the British Federation of Co-Freemasonry and held the highest thirty third degree in Scottish Rite Freemasonry.

in the 1930s she visited India (where her mother died) and met the Avatar Meher Baba, where they discussed her mother resurrecting as a man in India. She wrote several articles for The Adyar Bulletin, a periodical of the Theosophical Society, but a year later abruptly resigned from Co-Freemasonry, joining the Rosicrucian Order Crotona Fellowship shortly afterwards and taking with her some of her followers from Co-Masonry. She was one of the most active members of this Rosicrucian theatre.

(I think the Crotona Fellowship's founder, George Alexander Sullivan, was perhaps a self-promoting dabbler with limited insight.)

Among Besant-Scott's group were Ernest and Susie Mason, a brother and sister couple who had been involved in a variety of occult groups, including Co-Masonry and Theosophy. According to Gardner: "They seemed rather brow-beaten by the others, kept themselves to themselves. They were the most interesting element, however. Unlike many of the others, they had to earn their livings, were cheerful and optimistic and had a real interest in the occult."

I think the point that many in the world of British esoterica were mostly financially stable, from the upper echelons of society – hence my desire to see an informed commentary on their occult yearnings in line with Britain's fading actuality.

As an example, the coven often met in the house of Dorothy Clutterbuck, a leading member, a wealthy Englishwoman born in India (another child of the Empire). Clutterbuck was a practising Anglican Christian, and never identified herself as a witch. Researchers have debated whether the surviving evidence of her own writings indicates that she had any unconventional religious leanings at all.
 
Edith Rose Woodford-Grimes was a neighbour of the Masons, and was perhaps invited into the Rosicrucian Order Crotona Fellowship, and there met other members of the New Forest coven. Later she moved to Walkford, a village adjacent to Highcliffe, where Gardner and his wife Donna lived.

Gardner was initiated into the New Forest coven by Woodford-Grimes, and she was a great influence on him. In the late 1940s, Gardner founded the Bricket Wood coven, and she initially joined him there, but left in 1952, fearing Gardner's growing publicity (his publicity-seeking) would expose her.

What stands out is the role of women, which became over-shadowed by fame-seeking men like Gardner, Sullivan, and also, dare I suggest. Alastair Crowley. All these men. it seems to me, came from the English class system with a strong sense of entitlement and self-importance.
 
I wanted to write this to clear things up a little. Since the original post, matters have flared up at times. Since posting more than four years ago I have come to believe that Wicca is not "pagan lite". I know that its ranks include some very serious, knowledgeable, spiritual people, regardless of the origin of their beliefs.

Pagan lite, exists and is not confined to any one group. It is in part, a commercial projection on the internet. Hence the many images of broomsticks and pointy hats that I found when first researching.

Secondly the internet allows "enthusiasts" to appear as typical adherents and I have not found that to be true.

Certainly as far as Paganism is concerned the internet is limited in its use for research. There is no substitute for reading decent books and meeting real people.
 
a passing interest in the somewhat delightfully 'bonkers' aspects of British esoterica that flourished from the Edwardian Era, that "Gilded Age" in Great Britain, a "leisurely time when women wore picture hats and did not vote, when the rich were not ashamed to live conspicuously, and the sun really never set on the British flag", through the horrors of the First World War and our slow decline on the world stage ...

If anyone knows a sociological study along those lines, I'd snap it up in a blink.
 
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Hi @TheLightWithin

Up front let me admit English sociology is not my first choice of reading (I have a couple of contemporary diaries recording current political machinations waiting to be read ... )

My interest is more sparked by my late father-in-law who was a) an artist and somewhat ground-breaking in his day, b) a pagan ritualist, a shaman, famous in East Anglia, and c) utterly and delightfully 'bonkers'.

(His first wife, my ma-in-law, on the other hand, was a delightfully and authentically eccentric.)

It's just that figures like Gardner are, it seems to me, products of their age – over-indulged children of their times whose 'notoriety' was largely for the theatrics of public outrage by self-seeking narcissists.

The more I read about Gardner, the more I see a dabbler who lacked the necessary to engage in 'the Craft' to any sufficient degree, and his Wicca was the last in a series of failed projects. Any success was more likely down to the women involved.

Had the likes of Gardner, and Crowley not been born English, then they would have been ignored, or 'up before the beak' in no short order and left to languish in some dingy cell, suffering as did Oscar Wilde.

This maybe because I have a jaundiced view of 'the Establishment' as the last vestige of British imperialism, but I think these inculcated imperialist attitudes show up in people like the above, and never more so than in their attitudes – diabolical in Crowley's case – towards the women in their lives.
 
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