Indian Philosophy in a nutshell?

[wil]

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6.3K views · 8K reactions | At the core of Indian philosophy is a powerful truth: there is only one reality, and it’s called consciousness—this is your true nature. This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the universe into existence, e

At the core of Indian philosophy is a powerful truth: there is only one reality, and it’s called consciousness—this is your true nature. This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the...

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[Aupmanyav]

Consciousness is a temporary phenomenon. The reality is 'physical energy', what we began with at the time of Big Bang.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Consciousness is a temporary phenomenon. The reality is 'physical energy', what we began with at the time of Big Bang.

Without mind form (object) doesn't arise, without form, no mind (subject).
And what is called touch? The coming together of sense, sense-object and consciousness/knowing. What kind of consciousness does something out of it? An ignorant: touch of Avijja. Once ignorance is uprooted, no more touch, good householder. Deathless, taking birth ended. Neither here, nor there, nor inbetween, gone beyond space and time.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What constitutes us will remain in space and time till the time when existence changes into non-existence.

 

[wil]

Thank you two for cracking the nutshell

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

What constitutes us will remain in space and time till the time when existence changes into non-existence.

Trash. Nobody wouldn't fix yours.

Lokayatika Sutta: The Cosmologist

Then a brahman cosmologist(1) went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One, “Now, then, Master Gotama, does everything(2) exist?”


“'Everything exists' is the senior form of cosmology, brahman.”


“Then, Master Gotama, does everything not exist?”


“'Everything does not exist' is the second form of cosmology, brahman.”


“Then is everything a Oneness?”


“'Everything is a Oneness' is the third form of cosmology, brahman.”


“Then is everything a Manyness?”


“'Everything is a Manyness' is the fourth form of cosmology, brahman. Avoiding these two extremes, the Tathagata teaches the Dhamma via the middle: From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. From fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness. From consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form. From name-&-form as a requisite condition come the six sense media. From the six sense media as a requisite condition comes contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. Such is the origination of this entire mass of stress & suffering.


“Now from the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance comes the cessation of fabrications. From the cessation of fabrications comes the cessation of consciousness. From the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-&-form. From the cessation of name-&-form comes the cessation of the six sense media. From the cessation of the six sense media comes the cessation of contact. From the cessation of contact comes the cessation of feeling. From the cessation of feeling comes the cessation of craving. From the cessation of craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering.”


”Magnificent, Master Gotama! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has Master Gotama — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to Master Gotama for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the Sangha of monks. May Master Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone to him for refuge, from this day forward, for life.“

 

[Aupmanyav]

Bhante, Tathagata was teaching Dhamma. I am talking about science.
I have no problem with Dhamma, Hindu or Buddhist, since both are the same.
I do not differ with even one word of the Noble Eight-fold Path.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Trash. Nobody wouldn't fix yours.

It does not require any fixing. It is probably eternal.

 

[iBrian]

Bhante, Tathagata was teaching Dhamma. I am talking about science.

But this is not a science board, it's one for discussing Eastern religions. Please try and stay on topic.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe science and religion are not two separate things. Both are search for truth.

 

[Thomas]

I believe science and religion are not two separate things. Both are search for truth.

Indeed ... but different orders of truth.

 

[Thomas]

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The issue I have here ... and it's a common one, is the idea that "This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the universe into existence, experiencing itself through countless lives, including yours."

Why is The One Above All in need of our experience?

 

[wil]

The issue I have here ... and it's a common one, is the idea that "This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the universe into existence, experiencing itself through countless lives, including yours."

Why is The One Above All in need of our experience?

Where does "the one above all" come into this discussion of "all one"?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The issue I have here ... and it's a common one, is the idea that "This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the universe into existence, experiencing itself through countless lives, including yours."

Why is The One Above All in need of our experience?

Hindus have various views. I neither believe in God nor in any universal consciousness. Universe coming into existence is a bit more complicated than some entity dreaming or ordering it, as the Hindu theists say 'Eko'ham Bahusyami' (I am one, I will be many). And there are no countless lives, there is just one for living beings. Of course, what constitutes them (Brahman, the substrate of the universe, whatever it is) rearranges itself. That is one of its properties, does it all the time, everywhere. And that is a changeless change. Brahman was there when there was no Earth, Brahman will be there even when the Earth ceases to exist. Brahman is not concerned with the ways of living beings, it is un-involved (An + Asakta = Anasakta, does not favor one over any other), it has no demands from anything (Nih + Apeksha = Nirapeksha, without any desire). 'You do your thing, I will do mine (with the 400 billion galaxies). I do not worry about the living beings in a planet in one of the millions of suns in a medium sized galaxy'.

 

[Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu]

Bhante, Tathagata was teaching Dhamma. I am talking about science.
I have no problem with Dhamma, Hindu or Buddhist, since both are the same.
I do not differ with even one word of the Noble Eight-fold Path.

Lack of right discernment and improper attention are conditions to perceive improper, good householder, next of being wrong informed. Hindus have as many believes as there are Hindus, like others who didn't arive at the Buddha-Dhamma.

 

[Thomas]

Where does "the one above all" come into this discussion of "all one"?

"... often referred to as God ..."?

 

[Thomas]

Hindus have various views.

OK.

I neither believe in God nor in any universal consciousness.

OK.

... as the Hindu theists say 'Eko'ham Bahusyami' (I am one, I will be many).

Yep.

And there are no countless lives, there is just one for living beings.

Yep.

From here to discussion mode, so might say something that balances elsewhere ...

Of course, what constitutes them (Brahman, the substrate of the universe, whatever it is) rearranges itself.

OK. Am I right in thinking Brahman does not undergo change in this rearrangement, rather, everything else does?

That is one of its properties, does it all the time, everywhere. And that is a changeless change.

Ah, yes, that is what I was heading to.

Brahman was there when there was no Earth, Brahman will be there even when the Earth ceases to exist. Brahman is not concerned with the ways of living beings, it is un-involved (An + Asakta = Anasakta, does not favor one over any other), it has no demands from anything (Nih + Apeksha = Nirapeksha, without any desire). 'You do your thing, I will do mine (with the 400 billion galaxies). I do not worry about the living beings in a planet in one of the millions of suns in a medium sized galaxy'.

I can go with that, in a provisional sense, in that I can see 'we doing our thing' as realising our capacity to realise Being-as-such, precisely by 'letting go' and becoming 'un-involved'; that is, to cease to practice attachment to anything that is not Brahman ... to the point, as the mystics say, that the distinction between 'I' and 'Thou' cease to exist.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Lack of right discernment and improper attention are conditions to perceive improper, good householder, next of being wrong informed. Hindus have as many believes as there are Hindus, like others who didn't arive at the Buddha-Dhamma.

Buddha is my guru. I thank him for leading me to 'nirvana', 'enlightenment'. But I do not go for Buddhism as carried in the books. I won't be born again.

"Make my teaching your light! Rely upon it; do not depend upon any other teaching. Make of yourself a light. Rely upon yourself; do not depend upon anyone else."

 

[Aupmanyav]

OK. Am I right in thinking Brahman does not undergo change in this rearrangement, rather, everything else does?

I can go with that, in a provisional sense, in that I can see 'we doing our thing' as realising our capacity to realise Being-as-such, precisely by 'letting go' and becoming 'un-involved'; that is, to cease to practice attachment to anything that is not Brahman ... to the point, as the mystics say, that the distinction between 'I' and 'Thou' cease to exist.

Beg to differ. "Brahman is changeless" means that Brahman does what it always does. Change is the constant with Brahman. Every atom does it in every Planck's interval. Nothing is ever inactive / dead in the whole universe.
True, the distinction between men and the so-called 'God' must also cease, according to views that I have.
'Tat twam asi', 'Aham Brahmasmi', 'Sarvam khalu idam Brahma'. I think you know the meanings. It is quite simple - once understood.

 

[iBrian]

The issue I have here ... and it's a common one, is the idea that "This consciousness, often referred to as God, dreams the universe into existence, experiencing itself through countless lives, including yours."

Why is The One Above All in need of our experience?

It doesn't need our experience - but as we're all connected to the same superorganism the experience is inevitably shared.