Interesting perspective on some Gospel passages, timely for Easter

TheLightWithin said:
Fair notice - it involves some reinterpretation by a knowledgeable Rabbi.
A fresh perspective I hadn't heard before. Not affirming the classical or historic interpretation.
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Bar Abbas not Barabbas

Saying Kaddish for Jesus
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It's an interesting commentary ... I don't accept all of it, but anti-semitism was and is a fact, and a deplorable one.
 
Thomas said:
It's an interesting commentary ... I don't accept all of it, but anti-semitism was and is a fact, and a deplorable one.
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Agree ... would love to hear from @RabbiO this interpretation...

The portion discussing other messiah over the years rings true with what I have heard from.jewish friends...'there were a lot of prophets back then and many who claimed messiah '

And then there are the number of mentions in the holy Quran.... I feel each abrahamjc religion honors Jesus in their own understanding.

I myself have never come to believe all the words or actions or deeds or happenings to or around that are attribjted Jesus are 100% accurate or that they were all said/done/happened to the same person.

I find it interesting this interpretation which indicates the opposite...that the historical Jesus is represented by more than one in the books.

The abrahamic beliefs differ in their interpretation of who Jesus was/is as do the offshoots that have followed as do I.

My current thoughts still are ...I don't know. But what I do know is I like a lot of the words and quotes attributed to the man and can use them to better my life and my relationships with others.


What I like about Easter is the same thing I like about Christmas...another opportunity to look at the life and words of Jesus, another opportunity for the christ mind to grow in my mind through his words. Another opportunity for them to be born again in my mind and the only begotten to be continually begotten in us.

I believe the abrahamic religions themselves, their numbers their longevity in time lend credence to the value of the words and saying and actions alone, whether one sees him as the messiah, a prophet or even as many Hindu temples a guru...

and as a person who was purported to have said these words was purported to have been born and raised Jewish it lends credence to the value of those teachings as well....and his words are risen in me again.
 
It is permissible to "read between the lines" in the traditions. It is not unlikely that the Gospel writers downplayed the role of the Romans in the persecution in order to avoid being identified as an anti-Roman movement. But the Gospel writers agree that Jesus was accused by the Sanhedrin. Luke and John disagree about the role of this bar-Abbas, but all four accounts agree that bar-Abbas was not Jesus. The name Jesus bar-Abbas mentioned in some manuscripts of Matthew is interesting, but it is unlikely that Mark (who had access to eyewitnesses) and John (supposedly written by a Greek-speaking scribe on the authority of John as an eyewitness, who often differs from Mark's account) would tell this story if the people were really claiming to free Jesus. It's also not realistic to assume that all the accounts were later altered in the same way.
The Gospel accounts say that there were those who loved Jesus and those who wanted to kill him. It is not true that the "Jews" (i.e. the people in and around Jerusalem, as opposed to the Galileans) or the influential Pharisees were all hostile to Jesus. John mentions Nikodemus as an influential Pharisee in Jerusalem who was supportive of Jesus (not to be sure identified with a homologue mentioned in Taanit 20a:4), and Luke reports that Gamaliel (a very important contemporary rabbi from the school of Hillel, mentioned in the Mishnah) later defended Shimon Peter in the Sanhedrin.
I do not think that the authors of the Gospel accounts were so far off the origin as R. Rami does (following 20th century Christian theologists who claim the accounts to be quite late writings). We both don't know it. And I like the gest of R. Rami.
 
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