The Value of Secularism

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I intend this to be about the role of religion in social or public life and not about a controversial political topic. It is about I certainly hope this is not controversial here. (It's about not wanting affairs of state to meddle in religious affairs, interfering or promoting- neither one is good)
There are of course some people in the world who are uncomfortable with secularism. However the idea behind the development of a more firmly secular culture in the US at least as I understand, in 19th century America, was to have a neutral public space where so many competing Christian denominations could meet on equal footing and not face controversy or discrimination... although this article offers a more nuanced and complex view: and another take: 3 big numbers that tell the story of secularization in America

I believe secularism probably helped reduce anti-Catholic discrimination -- This is the AI overview of that question
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Secularism, with its emphasis on separation of church and state and the principle of religious neutrality, has historically played a role in mitigating anti-Catholic discrimination by promoting equality and preventing religious favoritism. By establishing a framework where the state doesn't endorse or favor one religion over another, secularism helps create a more level playing field for all religious groups, including Catholics.


Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Promoting Equality:
    Secularism, at its core, is about ensuring equal rights and opportunities for all citizens, regardless of their religious beliefs, according to Integrative Psych. This includes Catholics, who have historically faced discrimination in some societies.

    • Preventing Religious Favoritism:
      Secularism's principle of neutrality prevents the state from favoring or disfavoring any particular religion, including Catholicism, notes Oxford Research Encyclopedias. This helps to ensure that all religions are treated fairly and have the opportunity to thrive without state interference or bias.


    • Protecting Religious Freedom:
      Secularism, by promoting religious freedom and the separation of church and state, helps protect the right of individuals to practice their religion without fear of discrimination or persecution. This includes the right of Catholics to practice their faith without interference from the state.


    • Reducing Historical Prejudices:
      In some historical contexts, anti-Catholicism has been fueled by religious prejudice and discrimination, according to a paper by the University of California Press. Secularism, by promoting equality and tolerance, can help to counter these prejudices and reduce the likelihood of discrimination against Catholics.


In summary, secularism's principles of equality, neutrality, religious freedom, and the separation of church and state have contributed to a reduction in anti-Catholic discrimination by creating a more just and inclusive environment where all religions can thrive without fear of state favoritism or discrimination.
 
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Here is an article from recent years, written by a Christian advocating for secularism

It's a short commentary. She references politics, but mainly to support her larger points, such as not wanting state to interfere in religious practice or impose anything on religious practice from one group to another. She observes that secularism is not specifically atheism.

She sums her views up very well in the last three paragraphs, about freedom, and even more so, how she sees Christian ideals as being consistent with the freedom offered by a secular society.
 
This article addresses different types of secularism: Is Secularism good for society?

These two articles explain their take on the topic
 
I have attended a variety of humanist/secularist gatherings for folks that desired community of sorts to fill a gap they lost from church.

There is something to be said by weekly or biweekly or more often meetings with members of a community.

I get that from burners events or juggling/flow events, dances for universal peace... but it still doesn't fill that same void that exists in congregation.

I get that somewhat from here, we have a small community that has a desire to learn and share.

The humanist secularist groups don't have that connection (for me) that I found here or in other groups...not close.
 
I have attended a variety of humanist/secularist gatherings for folks that desired community of sorts to fill a gap they lost from church.

There is something to be said by weekly or biweekly or more often meetings with members of a community.

I get that from burners events or juggling/flow events, dances for universal peace... but it still doesn't fill that same void that exists in congregation.

I get that somewhat from here, we have a small community that has a desire to learn and share.

The humanist secularist groups don't have that connection (for me) that I found here or in other groups...not close.
As far as groups go - I was also less than satisfied with the UU after being there for a time, 20 years ago.
I have recently returned for various reasons.
I returned periodically over the years when they held philosophical study groups etc
I think I might really get something out of a philosophically oriented group, spiritual or not.

But a secular society - and having most institutions secular - feels the most free. Public space being neutral space. No official pushing of religion. All religions of equal standing under the law, you're free to convert to whatever without your government discriminating against you.

Secular over theocratic any day.
 
Secular over theocratic any day.
For US govt....Absolutely....what we were founded on and different from what was at the time.

UU walks an interesting path...I attended a few, spoke at a couple. I liked the political activism, it is to me quite liberal nojproselytizing christianity which accepts other faiths...while similar to unity ...just didn't resonate with me (that being said all the unity churches I have been in weren't my cup of tea either.
 
Secular over theocratic any day.
I would have to qualify that ... Communist Russia? Maoist China? Pol Pot?

( ... and one tangerine one I won't mention ... )

Whereas a humanist theocracy, that is a true-to-its-values theocracy ... I could do that.

Whereas I rather see the appearance of inhumane secular governments empowering some of the the worst aspects of human nature ...
 
Inhumane governments of any kind are the worst.
I am less familiar with a humanist theocracy. Can you think of any examples?
Off the top of my head I can't think of any humanist governments, theocratic or secular, but then I've never really looked, so I'm in no positions to say.

I would allow the late Pope Francis as a theocratic example ...
 
Off the top of my head I can't think of any humanist governments, theocratic or secular, but then I've never really looked, so I'm in no positions to say.

I would allow the late Pope Francis as a theocratic example ...
Pope Francis or any Pope is only head of state in Vatican City.
I agree he was more human and humanistic than many world leaders.
If I understand correctly, Quebec was something of a theocratic state within the democracy of Canada, up into the middle of the 20th century.
 
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