Thoughts about Trinity beliefs

Longfellow said:
Yes.



In my understanding of the Bible, it's the work of Jesus that frees us from slavery to the sinful side of our nature and gives us the power to repent, but a person doesn't need to know that, to truly repent.
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Ok, if that makes you happy.... ;)
TheLightWithin said:
Well according to the trinitarian formula ... is the Father not G-d?
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Yes He is..... but can you cheat the all knowing God?
 
My ways of thinking about this are continually evolving. Here's an update.

I've decided to call the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, "Persons(T)." That's a definition, completely different from what "person" means in any other context. My definition of "Person(T)" is whatever the Bible means by one of those names, which I'm not claiming to know, although I have some ideas about it. "The Father" is another name for God, and I'm not claiming to know what that means, other than being the God of Abraham. He is what He is. "The Son" is Jesus, meaning that He is a promised king of Israel. The Holy Spirit does things, but I'm not claiming to know if They are a person or not. They are a Person(T) by my definition. In the Bible, any of those names can be replaced by "God" without changing any true statements to false ones, but not the other way around. "God" can't always be replaced with any of those names that we choose, without changing any true statements to false one. Also, when the Father and the Son talk to each other or about each other, it's real, it is not just play-acting, not one person talking to himself.

Theologians say it's a substance that makes the three Persons(T) one God, but I think they generally agree that no one understands what they mean by that. I think that I'm in complete agreement with some widely trusted church fathers, the bishops who signed the first version of the Nicene Creed, and maybe with Augustine, that whatever that substance is, it is not physical or material.

I think that unnecessary complications are created by trying to make Christianity fit some definition of "monotheistic." That looks to me like a modern invention, designed for the sole purpose of stigmatizing eastern religions for subjugation purposes. Jesus looks to me like a god as much as any Greek or Roman god, with more authority and power than any of them, and not the same god as the Father. The same God, but not the same god. The Holy Spirit looks to me like God's influence in the world, which is none other than the influence of Jesus.
 
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