Can people be "smarter" than their ancestors, or at least more advanced than their predecessors?

I'm not convinced we're selecting for smart these days.
the only selection was survival eh
Likely that atheist numbers will increase in future.
since the 70s the west Europe, Australia, North America it has increased dramatically...old USSR removal of lrohibition...opposite...China still.full of nonbelievers....but the rest of the world believers have more babie a d expand naturally
 
:rolleyes: The implication that atheism is an evolutionary benefit or progression is, I would suggest, ill-founded – but that's just my opinion.

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Contemporary atheism is, in the mind of the philosopher John Gray and others, monotheism inverted. Quite simply it's a belief in which a surrogate has been placed on the heavenly throne. It might be 'self', or 'science', or some socio-political ideology – but for all intents and purposes it is a 'religion' in the manner in which its adherents cleave to its doctrines and its dogmas.

The emergence of false and flawed ideologies, with their attendant trappings of fables, myths and legends, their taboos and their superstitions, is more prevalent now than ever before, thanks to social media. The fact that they do not have a recognisable 'god' is simply because the audience isn't paying attention.

But two aspects are telling, and should horrify the genuine atheist:
1: People live online now.
2: That the majority are under the glamour of a few.
Glamour is an old Scots word meaning a 'spell' to deceived the eyes. The contemporary term is 'influencer'. and, notably, 'glamour' in its later Hollywood understanding is a powerful manipulative tool.
3: The 'techbros' are the magisterium of the online world.
Magisterium because they are inviolate and not contained by societal norms. Traditional media, press and print, film and tv, would be brought to court and suffer crippling fines for publishing the kind of material that proliferates online. The techbros succeeded in tricking (or buying) the authorities into thinking there is a material difference between 'publishing' which renders the owner liable under law for what they publish, and 'platforming' which does not – thus, the techbros are beyond the law. So rich and powerful now as to be (apparently) out of reach.

This is simply an ancient cult in online garb.

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So are we smarter?

An issue today is whether AI will replace human intelligence. It's a false debate. What AI demonstrates is the poverty of human thinking. AI works on collecting data and applying mathematical models. No thought necessary. Most of what we call 'thinking' is like that, it's rehashing the same old data, running down the same avenues we always run down.

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In an earlier post I mentioned the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The mantra today, in all the strident and powerful ideologies, and those ideologies are growing stronger, in all its sham hollowness, is quite the reverse: 'Our' problem is 'their' fault. Do 'them', and 'our' problem will go away.

(Or: Do unto others before they do it unto you)
 
I am not electing to be the harbinger of doom here, but too much bright eyed enthusiasm is a dangerous illusion.

Treat this as a 'check and balance' kind of thing.
 
:rolleyes: The implication that atheism is an evolutionary benefit or progression is, I would suggest, ill-founded – but that's just my opinion
Can't really argue with that. Strong atheism particularly is a ridiculously arrogant stance.

I would say though that being in societies where one can freely express doubts, and have the kind of debate we thrive on here without being burnt at the stake etc. is a progression on much of human history.
 
Strong atheism particularly is a ridiculously arrogant stance.
In what way? I am a strong atheist. I do not accept the possibility of existence of any God. But I have no problem with people who believe in Gods. My family is strongly theist. So what? These are personal beliefs, and it is their prerogative.
 
In what way? I am a strong atheist. I do not accept the possibility of existence of any God. But I have no problem with people who believe in Gods. My family is strongly theist. So what? These are personal beliefs, and it is their prerogative.
Arrogant because none of us know enough about the universe, or what may lie beyond, to say definitively there's no possibility of any God, never has been and never will be.

I went through most of my life as an agnostic with strong atheist leanings, but I never dismissed the possibility.

My horizons have actually expanded significantly in the past couple of years (to the point where I'm now perfectly comfortable holding the possibility of no gods all gods and everything in between, without feeling any need to collapse the uncertainty).
 
Arrogant because none of us know enough about the universe, or what may lie beyond, to say definitively there's no possibility of any God, never has been and never will be.

I went through most of my life as an agnostic with strong atheist leanings, but I never dismissed the possibility.
If I had seen even one evidence pointing at existence of God in my 83 years, I would not have said that I reject the possibility of existence of Gods.
What you do is your choice, what I did was my choice. :)
 
Can't really argue with that. Strong atheism particularly is a ridiculously arrogant stance.
Well hard core theism and hard core atheism have an equal shot at arrogance, due to their excessive certitude, though whether one or the other are as such "ridiculous" is another conversation, and to say they are just sounds like you're annoyed.
 
Well hard core theism and hard core atheism have an equal shot at arrogance, due to their excessive certitude, though whether one or the other are as such "ridiculous" is another conversation, and to say they are just sounds like you're annoyed.
I'd say both are extreme faith positions.

Can't speak for @Bloodshot, but I think in recent times the claim of arrogance is due to the pseudo-authoritative nonsense spouted by the leading lights of the New Atheism movement, the "Four Horsemen": Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens.

Supposedly bringing an apocalypse to religion (misunderstanding the term entirely) they were met with dismay, dissatisfaction and dismissal by both the scientific and religious communities, for their superfical grasp of philosophy and scientific principle.
 
Well hard core theism and hard core atheism have an equal shot at arrogance, due to their excessive certitude, though whether one or the other are as such "ridiculous" is another conversation, and to say they are just sounds like you're annoyed.
I don't think they are equal, actually.
There's quite a difference between:
"I've seen one god so I believe in them".
And
"I've never seen a god so I don't believe anyone has, ever".

That being said, all certainty is questionable.

And ridiculous as in amused rather than annoyed :P
 
Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens.
Ha ha, never read even one of them in my life, honestly. I did read a small book of essays by Bertrand Russell. That was the beginning of my atheism.
My atheist gurus are Buddha and Sankara. :)
That being said, all certainty is questionable.
I do not see an elephant in my cupboard. Do you really think there is one?
 
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Ha ha, never read even one of them in my life, honestly.
You're not missing anything.

My atheist gurus are Buddha and Sankara. :)
I don't make claims about a 'guru' as I regard the term as conditional.

I have 'lights', Christ being the foremost, I suppose, but then others range near and far, and some were and are no longer, and some which were, and then were not, reappear!

I am a theist, and I see no contradiction in reading apophasis in Buddhist texts or apophaticism in commentaries by Adi Shankaracharya; that is no contradiction between the Arche Anarchos of ultimate reality, Nirguna Brahman, and the 'Person of God' as per Saguna Brahman.
 
You're not missing anything.
Nirguna Brahman, and the 'Person of God' as per Saguna Brahman.
You are correct.
Nirguna Brahman, does not create anything, does not interfere in anything, does not make laws, does not punish or reward people for their karmas.
BTW, I differ with Sankara's explanation of Nirguna and Saguna. Nirguna (without attributes) cannot change into Saguna (with attributes).
It has no such attributes, that is why it is called 'Nirguna'.
I am a free bird, I can speak freely from my heart. Buddha and Sankara had the responsibility to lead people.
 
You are correct.
Nirguna Brahman, does not create anything, does not interfere in anything, does not make laws, does not punish or reward people for their karmas.
Agreed.

I regard that along the lines of Johannes Scottus Eriugena's 'Divisions of Nature':
That which creates and is not created (Saguna Brahman)
That which creates and is created (Primary Causes / Ideas)
That which is created and does not create (Temporal Effects / created things)
That which is neither created nor creates (Nirguna Brahman)

BTW, I differ with Sankara's explanation of Nirguna and Saguna. Nirguna (without attributes) cannot change into Saguna (with attributes).
OK. Does he actually say that?

I, too, would disagree that the one 'changes into' the other.

It has no such attributes, that is why it is called 'Nirguna'.
Quite.
 
Even if I am blind and the elephant is invisible and shy, do you think it can change its volume - become a flee hiding in my clothes? ;)
Something like God who can create square circles?
You didn't say how big the cupboard is 😉

Regardless, there may be one in mine 😜
 
OK. Does he actually say that?
I, too, would disagree that the one 'changes into' the other.
He said Saguna exists in Vyavaharika Satya (Pragmatic Reality), but not in Paramarthika Satya (Absolute Relity).
That is precisely the reason that I reject "Ishwara". For me, Nirguna only.
 
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