Compilation of arguments against the existence of Jesus

Aupmanyav said:
Vedas, Upanishads. They were not propaganda. Vedas were the lore of herder communities, and Upanishad were views of scholars, philosophers.
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I didn’t say that they were originally *spoken* for propaganda purposes. I said that they were *written* for propaganda purposes. I’ll revise that to propaganda or subjugation purposes, if there’s a difference.
 
Longfellow said:
I didn’t say that they were originally *spoken* for propaganda purposes. I said that they were *written* for propaganda purposes. I’ll revise that to propaganda or subjugation purposes, if there’s a difference.
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Beg to differ. They were not for any propaganda or subjugation of anyone.
Vedas are what those IE herders endured and prayers to their Gods for safety and prosperity. Upanishads are like articles in today's science journals.
 
wil said:
Why?
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Because I do not believe any God, Goddess, soul or in any superstition. I go by science. Lord Rama said in Ramayana:

"satyam eva iśvaro loke, satyaṃ padmā samāśritā;
satyamūlāni sarvāṇi, satyānnāsti paraṃ padam."

(Truth alone is the God in the world*, in truth reside all virtues;
all have their base in truth, there is no station higher than truth.)

* Not that God alone is the truth.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Because I do not believe any God, Goddess, soul or in any superstition. I go by science. Lord Rama said in Ramayana:

"satyam eva iśvaro loke, satyaṃ padmā samāśritā;
satyamūlāni sarvāṇi, satyānnāsti paraṃ padam."

(Truth alone is the God in the world*, in truth reside all virtues;
all have their base in truth, there is no station higher than truth.)

* Not that God alone is the truth.
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Its fine what you believe or dont believe, but why take potshots at people just because their beliefs differ from yours?

Is it a healthy way spend your time? Does it benefit you somehow? I mean you may believe you are trying to benefit them, but are you ready to take on the repercussions of your words on their lives?
 
Aupmanyav said:
Because I do not believe any God, Goddess, soul or in any superstition. I go by science. Lord Rama said in Ramayana:

"satyam eva iśvaro loke, satyaṃ padmā samāśritā;
satyamūlāni sarvāṇi, satyānnāsti paraṃ padam."

(Truth alone is the God in the world*, in truth reside all virtues;
all have their base in truth, there is no station higher than truth.)

* Not that God alone is the truth.
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If you agree with that verse, then besides quoting a god (Rama) in support of what you're saying, you also believe in something that you translate as "God" (iśvaro) and in something that most Hindus think of in the context of that verse as a goddess (padmā).
 
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Longfellow said:
If you agree with that verse, then besides quoting a god (Rama) in support of what you're saying, you also believe in something that you translate as "God" (iśvaro) and in something that most Hindus think of in the context of that verse as a goddess (padmā).
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What is mentioned as 'Ishwara' is the poet's choice, not mine. I see it differently, as just a saying in our culture.
Padma is sure the name of Goddess who sits on a lotus, Lakshmi and Sarswati. But Padma also means 'virtues'. It is used in this verse in plural.
 
Longfellow said:
If you agree with that verse, then besides quoting a god (Rama) in support of what you're saying, you also believe in something that you translate as "God" (iśvaro) and in something that most Hindus think of in the context of that verse as a goddess (padmā).
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We have not interacted much, the other members here know that I am a strong atheist, I do not even believe in possibility of existence of any God. I also do not believe in existence of soul, reincarnation, heaven, hell, judgment, etc.
You can say that I am a perfect model of what atheism should be. :)
Longfellow said:
And you don't think that anyone could be using "God" in a Christian context the same way that you use "Rama" and "Ishwara"?
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Some do. I generally avoid use of the word.
 
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