What is Truth?!

Alex P said:
That would be Love, brother.
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Jehovah, the God of Truth.





Jehovah is "the God of truth." (Ps 31:5) He is faithful in all his dealings. His promises are sure, for he cannot lie. (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Ps 89:35; Tit 1:2; Heb 6:17, 18)

He judges according to truth, that is, according to the way things really are, and not on the basis of outward appearance. (Ro 2:2; compare Joh 7:24.)

Everything that emanates from him is pure and without defect.

His judicial decisions, law, commandments, and word are truth. (Ne 9:13; Ps 19:9; 119:142, 151, 160) They are always right and proper, and they stand in opposition to all unrighteousness and error.
 
mee said:
Jehovah, the God of Truth.





Jehovah is "the God of truth." (Ps 31:5) He is faithful in all his dealings. His promises are sure, for he cannot lie. (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Ps 89:35; Tit 1:2; Heb 6:17, 18)

He judges according to truth, that is, according to the way things really are, and not on the basis of outward appearance. (Ro 2:2; compare Joh 7:24.)

Everything that emanates from him is pure and without defect.

His judicial decisions, law, commandments, and word are truth. (Ne 9:13; Ps 19:9; 119:142, 151, 160) They are always right and proper, and they stand in opposition to all unrighteousness and error.
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Like Alex P. said, "Love is truth"...
 
God is truth, and the truth is in his Son, and the holy spirit leads us to truth. Jesus words are true, his promises are true, and they will never change. He is holy and righteous and full of power and glory reflecting the very nature of God, and that is how he will judge those who refuse to hear the truth.

For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life...

that is the truth, and that is how to find eternal life, through the Son if one comes to him and accepts Him as the Father has testified of him who is true.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
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how to find eternal life, quote]




This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3



Here is the true God .


that people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18 ​



and doing what the true God said is the thing to do . ​



And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him. luke 9;35



For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
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JOHN 3;16-17​



jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)

We should believe Jesus, for he surely knew the truth about his relationship to his Father.

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mee said:
that people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.​

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.

jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am."

We should believe Jesus, for he surely knew the truth about his relationship to his Father.
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whose name is above all names, and which all things created by and for. God the Father has put is Son's name above all things and all things are subject to him. So if both names are above all things, there is either two Gods, or one God that includes these two persons. jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life". so yes you should believe in jesus, not only for the truth he spoke, but that he is truth; not only for what he taught about the kingdom of God, but he is the way to the kingdom of God; and not only for the life he gave, but he is eternal life. all of which comes about by his work on the cross. this is the subordination to the Father in which you incorrectly use "the Father is greater than I am." The Word of God, who was with God, and is God (not a god and a God, but one God), emptied himself (that is left his position in heaven with the Father) and came to live among us as the messiah, and being born under the law, so he would be found guilty of making himself the Son of God, being a man yet being equal with God, being the Messiah and the Christ, because he proceeded from the Father in heaven, and because he was born a man, prayed to the father in heaven, died on the cross, all of which makes him subordinate. But because he is the Word of God who always existed, because he never sinned, because he was exalted and glorified back to heaven, because he sits on the throne on the right hand of the Father, because he will judge all things and all will kneel before him, because all the angels and righteous men worship him and sing praises to him, and because there is no salvation without the Son who washes our the sins away by his blood of those that repent. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. He is also God--who else forgives our sins, who else sits on the throne in heaven, who else created all things, who else never sins, is righteous and holy. who else will be with us forever and whose words will never change? Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name and His son's name?
 
"Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach is by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot he organized: nor should any organisation be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organise a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organise it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallised; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others.

If an organisation be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth. No man from outside can make you free; nor can organised worship, nor the immolation of yourselves for a cause, make you free; nor can forming yourselves into an organisation, nor throwing yourselves into work, make you free.

You have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity...."

j krishnamurti
 
chakraman said:
"Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach is by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot he organized: nor should any organisation be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organise a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organise it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallised; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others.

If an organisation be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth. No man from outside can make you free; nor can organised worship, nor the immolation of yourselves for a cause, make you free; nor can forming yourselves into an organisation, nor throwing yourselves into work, make you free.

You have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity...."

j krishnamurti
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or, saying nothing is a path, is not a path either, but strokes the ego of the one thinking he is saying something when is not really saying anything. but since this is a christian forum, the truth i would like to share with you, which doesnt belong to anyone to hold for their own, but it is thru anyone who would like to give it out freely as it was received, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who paves the way for us to find God and be able to come to him, because he loves us all, and this is free for all to receive and have eternal life. so having salvation, and giving all your problems to God, and having hope and eternal life in his Son is the truth.
 
Here is such a definition of the truth: An objective uncertainty held fast in an appropriation-process of the most passionate inwardness is the truth, the highest truth attainable for an existing individual. At the point where the way swings off (and where this is cannot be specified objectively, since it is a matter of subjectivity), there objective knowledge is placed in abeyance. Thus the subject merely has, objectively, the uncertainty; but it is this which percisely increases the tension of that infinite passion which constitutes his inwardness....

But the above definitin of truth is an equivalent expression for faith. Without risk there is no faith. Faith is precisely the contradiction between the infinite passion of the individual's inwardness and the objective uncertainty. If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe. If I wish to preserve myself in faith I must constantly be intent upon holding fast the objective uncertainty, so a to remain out upon the deep, over seventy thousand fathoms of water, still preserving my faith.

Soren Kierkegaard, Unscientific Postscript
 
Aw screw it. Truth is this: I give you my word. (and I'd die before I broke my word). That is truth. Truth is telling those you love they are screwing their lives over, when the rest of the world says they're having a crisis.

truth is crying over a lost love, a death, a stunning bit of news, then sitting there waiting for the friend to do something, and not flinching when it comes.

Truth is a friend that never looks down, but never looks up to one either. Truth is when all the world walks out, and a lone soul walks in, and sits down with you. That is truth. What is that truth saying? You are worthy...

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Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. JOHN 17;17


Many people say many things, but as Jesus himself said, when in prayer to his father Jehovah .YOUR WORD IS TRUTH.

and he also went on to say ,
Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
or, saying nothing is a path, is not a path either, but strokes the ego of the one thinking he is saying something when is not really saying anything.
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that was the whole point... you can't have a path to something that is alive, not static, like a river never the same from moment to moment, but we don't want such a dangerous outlook, we want everything fixed, certain. i agree hes not say anything just merely pointing out possible impediments. if he was the one who knew then the whole teacher/pupil/spiritual authority malarkey would begin and that only leads to dependance... a bit like a drug, just a bit nobler sounding.
but since this is a christian forum, the truth i would like to share with you, which doesnt belong to anyone to hold for their own, but it is thru anyone who would like to give it out freely as it was received, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who paves the way for us to find God and be able to come to him, because he loves us all, and this is free for all to receive and have eternal life.
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please excuse me if i shouldn't be posting here as i don't wish to upset anyones sensibilities by being impolite. i'm not sure exactly what the ettiquette is with regards to posting in certain religious headings. the rest is a very nice comforting idea i agree, that imo opinion only puts you to sleep and is just another form of escape... a bit like supporting a football team. truth imo probably does not comfort on the contrary it should shake things to their foundations.
so having salvation, and giving all your problems to God, and having hope and eternal life in his Son is the truth.
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giving all your problems to god sounds like a cop out to me. has he solved them yet for you? i fear you'll have a long wait. in the meantime why not sort them out yourself. and hope is the child of despair and despair is the result of inaction.

i believe jesus probably was special, but christianity to me has denigrated him to personality worship.

i shall not comeback here as i don't think i can put this diplomatically enough and don't wish to upset anyone, best wishes, jase...
 
chakraman said:
you can't have a path to something that is alive, not static, like a river never the same from moment to moment, but we don't want such a dangerous outlook, we want everything fixed, certain. i agree hes not say anything just merely pointing out possible impediments. if he was the one who knew then the whole teacher/pupil/spiritual authority malarkey would begin and that only leads to dependance... a bit like a drug, just a bit nobler sounding.


the rest is a very nice comforting idea i agree, that imo opinion only puts you to sleep and is just another form of escape... a bit like supporting a football team. truth imo probably does not comfort on the contrary it should shake things to their foundations.

giving all your problems to god sounds like a cop out to me. has he solved them yet for you? i fear you'll have a long wait. in the meantime why not sort them out yourself. and hope is the child of despair and despair is the result of inaction.

i believe jesus probably was special, but christianity to me has denigrated him to personality worship.
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however, worshiping christ is glorifying the father, has nothing to do with personality.
giving your life to christ so he may mold you and shape you and do with you what his will is, not being vengeful because it is the lord's, having hope because you know that god has you secured in him, loving others as christ loved you, all these things and more is not a cop out, but more like how your father and mother took care of you when you were growing up. you didnt need to worry about a roof over your head, food to eat, being loved, talking with your teachers, or arguing for your sake with people against you, it is like that. that is not a cop out, it is having complete faith that someone loves you and you know that they are taking care of you and know whats best for you. if a child spills milk does he have a real problem, he may cry and think he does, but the parents already have some more in the fridge. and if i have a more serious problem like cancer, i will praise the lord, because i will see him soon, and i know that he will take a sickly person and make him whole by his word, and where the body dies, in heaven with him I will have eternal life where there will be no more pain or suffering. that is why he is a path, because the path is eternal life, and God is a God of the living, not the dead. Christ is eternal life.
 
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