Catholism

Abogado del Diablo said:
Dang I need to start editing more carefully. :eek:
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That was a qualifier, not to be construde as my being insulted (which I am not by any stretch). :D

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Quahom1 said:
I'd be happy to discuss the Catholic way with you Shepard. ;)

First the Age of Catholic Christianity, (or birth of) commenced between 70 and 312 AD (or ACE). During this time Chirstianity spread throughout the Roman Empire and eastward. This was a rapidly expanding movement which Christians called "catholic", suggesting that it was universal. These were also trying times with the ridicule of the "pagans" and Roman persecution. To face these challenges, Christians turned more and more to their bishops for spiritual leadership. Catholic Christianity, therefore was identified by a universal vision, by orthodox beliefs, and by episcopal church government.

Peter as Pontifex Maximu:

During the first Vatican Council (1870), Jesus Christ (it was declared), established the papacy with the apostle Peter: and the Bishop of Rome as Peter's successor bears supreme primacy over the whole church. Both Eastern Orthodox and Protestant churches deny both of these claims however.

Though the Cahtholic Church lists 43 "Popes" before Leo I (440-461 AD), Leo is a major figure in the Papal process because he provided for the first time, biblical and theological bases of the papal claim (consider the story of successful negotiations between Leo I and Attila the Hun for peace).

How's that for a debate starter? :D

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Actually the Roman Catholic Chruch did not start not until Constantine became the Roman Emperor. We could trace RCC in 312, and 314 AD RCC became officially the State Religion of Rome.

Emperor Constantine had taken the title the bishop of Rome, and the Emperor of Rome, and all authority as far as the RCC is concerned lies in the hand of the Emperor, not until Silvester was crowned Bishop by Constantine.

Peter was a Jew and not a Roman citizen, and was an apostle of Christ, and the first Christians after the ascention of the Lord Jesus Christ were Jewish people, living Judaism and followed the Lord Jesus Christ teaching and claimed, not Peter.

The first church was conducted in Jerusalem, not in Rome, although when Christians persecution arises both from the Jewish religious leaders, and Rome, many Christians left Jerusalem, and were scattered all over the place, and some flee to Rome. There they preached the gospel of Christ, and they begin to multiply.

So the authentic Christian Chruch did not begin in Rome with Peter as the first pope, but it begun in Jerusalem with the Jews who left Judaism and followed Christ.

This could be substantiated in the books of Acts written by apostle Luke, a medical Doctor at that time.
 
emconstantine said:
Peter was a Jew and not a Roman citizen, and was an apostle of Christ, and the first Christians after the ascention of the Lord Jesus Christ were Jewish people, living Judaism and followed the Lord Jesus Christ teaching and claimed, not Peter.

The first church was conducted in Jerusalem, not in Rome, although when Christians persecution arises both from the Jewish religious leaders, and Rome, many Christians left Jerusalem, and were scattered all over the place, and some flee to Rome. There they preached the gospel of Christ, and they begin to multiply.

So the authentic Christian Chruch did not begin in Rome with Peter as the first pope, but it begun in Jerusalem with the Jews who left Judaism and followed Christ.

This could be substantiated in the books of Acts written by apostle Luke, a medical Doctor at that time.
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i agree with the first christians and church being jewish and in jerusalem. i half agree with jews leaving judaism, i prefer to say that they went on to learn more of the gospel and continued on and growing mature in their faith, keeping all the things that they were asked to remember, but no longer a requirement by law to obtain grace, but out of love for god inspired by the holy spirit, and by the grace of jesus christ they are saved.
 
Again, debate will never end between the Catholics and the Protestant concerning where did the Church actually begun. But we can solve this debate if we are going to be honest and follow the cronological order of history from the time the follower of Christ were called Christians outside their congregation.
 
emconstantine said:
Again, debate will never end between the Catholics and the Protestant concerning where did the Church actually begun. But we can solve this debate if we are going to be honest and follow the cronological order of history from the time the follower of Christ were called Christians outside their congregation.
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In reality, the Christian "church" began three years after the stoning death of Stephen (in 7 AD/ACE). At that point the followers of Jesus pulled away from the Jewish roots and founded their own system of belief. Though it was ramshackle in the beginning, there were enough "mini" congregations to ensure the continuation of the church to the point of official faith status some 326 years later. regardless of his motives, we do have Constantine to thank for that.

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