Bible inspired by God or just written by man?

[Quahom1]

I am a student of Egyptian history and I have many "scientific" books and videos, and I have never heard of any historian who claimed so. There are those who claim to be "biblical" historians who try to link history to the bible. It is all based on their belief reference and is garbage. Anyone can infer anything form anything, especially something as vague as the historical references in the bible, which are after all based on the myths and legends native to the Middle East.

"The Exodus Decoded part 1 and 2" History Channel, orginally aired on 20 August 2006. Physical evidence pulled from the earth one time, might be considered a fluke, but a dozen times, right in front of the mighty Egyptian guards and security police, and on video...eh, you're and "open minded" individual...your call. The archeological team got permission to excavate because they said they were looking for links to Ahmose, and Ramses II (which is provisionally correct), but could not mention anything about searching for "Hebrews" among the Egyptian past, let alone in charge...they would have never been allowed within the borders of Egypt, let alone the palace remnants of Ramsese. Nine signats, bearing the name of Joseph, son of Jacob with the Pharaoh's ident blended "together", for all the world to see, while the Egyptian guards looked on with their weapons, and had not a clue what was being displayed...Oh, and please explain to me why the Egyptians insist that the foundations of the city and temple be covered with earth after each excavation (we're talking mega tons of earth), and grass is planted and animals are placed over the area? What do the Egyptians need to hide?

Perhaps you should update your library...

 

[Quahom1]

Apparently not. It took the so called "pagan" Egyptians to invent papyrus, and the Buddhist Chinese to invent and the Muslim Arabs to improve and spread paper. It seems that God favored some other people in these cases.

Nix nix. Muslim Arabs didn't exist until the middle of the first millenia ACE. Pagan Arabs did the improvements to papyrus and eventually led up to velom, but the Egyptians at the time of the existence of the Hebrews in Egypt developed papyrus...try and seperate the two...and the Chinese didn't invent, the Malaysians did, (with wood pulp). The Chinese made "rice paper", which did't weather well, until the ability to remove "acid" from the sheets was perfected.

However, your disdain for the Israelite/Hebrew has been made quite plain.

 

[Leafblade]

Think I'll respond to the general question, though I managed to read a few pages.

I believe that the Bible was inspired by God, however it was written by humans. Written word is almost like a spoken word. Words can be changed, meanings interpreted differently, and if the heart of the person writing a book or telling a story is corrupt, their words will be corrupt as well. A fool may read but a fool doesn't understand.

 

[17th Angel]

Written by man, nothing more.... Some that fear death love to clutch onto this book and have that false hope that once they die that isn't it... That there is somehow more to death, instead of just decomposing corpses that become a fond meal for the maggots..... And also was used before the majority could read as a tool for "crowd control"

 

[manephelien]

Written by man, nothing more.... Some that fear death love to clutch onto this book and have that false hope that once they die that isn't it... That there is somehow more to death, instead of just decomposing corpses that become a fond meal for the maggots..... And also was used before the majority could read as a tool for "crowd control"

I wholly agree with this one.

However, I fully believe that there did exist a rabble-rouser called Jesus in the Palestine about 2000 years ago. He certainly suffered the fate ordinarily meted out by the Romans to rebels and criminals, i. e. crucifixion.

The only miracle I believe in there is one that's not written down. How did Mary, a common prostitute, manage to convince Joseph that she had been divinely impregnated, and later managed to get her son to change the world? Jesus of Nazareth did exist, but there's nothing divine about his conception or birth.

 

[Prober]

I wholly agree with this one.

However, I fully believe that there did exist a rabble-rouser called Jesus in the Palestine about 2000 years ago. He certainly suffered the fate ordinarily meted out by the Romans to rebels and criminals, i. e. crucifixion.

The only miracle I believe in there is one that's not written down. How did Mary, a common prostitute, manage to convince Joseph that she had been divinely impregnated, and later managed to get her son to change the world? Jesus of Nazareth did exist, but there's nothing divine about his conception or birth.

Please explain how you come to the conclusion that Mary was a "common prostitute".

 

[Dor]

I wholly agree with this one.

However, I fully believe that there did exist a rabble-rouser called Jesus in the Palestine about 2000 years ago. He certainly suffered the fate ordinarily meted out by the Romans to rebels and criminals, i. e. crucifixion.

The only miracle I believe in there is one that's not written down. How did Mary, a common prostitute, manage to convince Joseph that she had been divinely impregnated, and later managed to get her son to change the world? Jesus of Nazareth did exist, but there's nothing divine about his conception or birth.

Wow where the hell did you pull that from.
Mary a common prostitute. Think you might have your Marys a bit mixed up.

 

[manephelien]

I guess common prostitute was a bit harsh. I just meant that since I don't believe the father of Jesus was anything other than a flesh-and-blood man, Mary must've pulled some wool over Joseph's eyes to convince him she carried the son of God, if he didn't impregnate her, that is. And on the whole I'm inclined to believe he didn't.

On the other hand, I think Mary Magdalene has been unnecessarily maligned as a woman of loose morals. I'm far more likely to believe she was Jesus' wife, since a Jew must be married before he can be a teacher/rabbi.

 

[17th Angel]

I wholly agree with this one.

My humble thanks....

 

[pfw]

I guess common prostitute was a bit harsh. I just meant that since I don't believe the father of Jesus was anything other than a flesh-and-blood man, Mary must've pulled some wool over Joseph's eyes to convince him she carried the son of God, if he didn't impregnate her, that is. And on the whole I'm inclined to believe he didn't.

So, just because you don't believe in the 'Immaculate Conception' (I'm right there with you by the way) it automaticaly follows the Mary, the mother of Jesus, was just a slut then? So absolutly no possibility that she could have been raped by a Roman solger? or that her father may have abused her? or a good few other possibilities... No, we'll just jump straight for the most insulting possible answer to the question then.

 

[Paladin]

We may have to get Q or Thomas in on this one, but wasn't the Immaculate Conception a reference to the idea that Mary herself was free of original sin? The Virgin Birth story was very prevelant during the time when the Gospels began to appear and it would seem likely that it was incorporated into the story of Jesus. Even if it is only in the realm of mythology, I really love the story

Peace
Mark

 

[17th Angel]

wasn't the Immaculate Conception a reference to the idea that Mary herself was free of original sin?

NO!?!?!?!?!? lol... Sheesh... Mary was just a woman... She ain't nothing special... Apart from that in this story of jesus and so on she was simply the vessle for jesus... She was "imperfect" just like anyone else... She was but human. The reason she was meant to be a virgin because jesus in this tale is perfect.. If he carried her genes he would clearly not be... He would have orginal sin... So Mary didn't get it on with Joe or any other human, cause then it would be just like any other kid. god placed jesus in her womb. So technically he was of no relation at all of Mary.

My mini cheese burgers mmmm they are perfect... I place them in the microwave and the microwave heats them and holds onto them till they are ready... Then they pop out and bingo! A perfect snack.... The microwave didn't make the snack perfect, it was allready perfect it simply had a job to help the burger on its way... Any other microwave could do the exact same job....

 

[Quahom1]

We may have to get Q or Thomas in on this one, but wasn't the Immaculate Conception a reference to the idea that Mary herself was free of original sin? The Virgin Birth story was very prevelant during the time when the Gospels began to appear and it would seem likely that it was incorporated into the story of Jesus. Even if it is only in the realm of mythology, I really love the story

Peace
Mark

During the Council of Trent, Mary was declared free of original sin. This developed from Genesis 3: 15, and Luke 1: 28. However, the church has backed off of this concept as of late. What is known is that she never knew man in the biblical way (at least prior to the birth of Jesus), hence was pure. Also, she accepted the honor/burden despite the potential repercussions she could have faced (an unwed mother at that time was not the best status to be in). She was indeed "full of grace".

v/r

Joshua

 

[Quahom1]

I guess common prostitute was a bit harsh. I just meant that since I don't believe the father of Jesus was anything other than a flesh-and-blood man, Mary must've pulled some wool over Joseph's eyes to convince him she carried the son of God, if he didn't impregnate her, that is. And on the whole I'm inclined to believe he didn't.

So, just because you don't believe in the 'Immaculate Conception' (I'm right there with you by the way) it automaticaly follows the Mary, the mother of Jesus, was just a slut then? So absolutly no possibility that she could have been raped by a Roman solger? or that her father may have abused her? or a good few other possibilities... No, we'll just jump straight for the most insulting possible answer to the question then.

Hail Mary, Full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed is thee, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Indeed, a 14 year old Levite "prostitute" in Israel at the time of Jesus, who was about to be married to a son of the tribe of Judah (and the lineage of David)? You really don't know much about the society of Mary and Joseph, I should think...

v/r

Joshua

 

[Quahom1]

NO!?!?!?!?!? lol... Sheesh... Mary was just a woman... She ain't nothing special... Apart from that in this story of jesus and so on she was simply the vessle for jesus... She was "imperfect" just like anyone else... She was but human. The reason she was meant to be a virgin because jesus in this tale is perfect.. If he carried her genes he would clearly not be... He would have orginal sin... So Mary didn't get it on with Joe or any other human, cause then it would be just like any other kid. god placed jesus in her womb. So technically he was of no relation at all of Mary.

My mini cheese burgers mmmm they are perfect... I place them in the microwave and the microwave heats them and holds onto them till they are ready... Then they pop out and bingo! A perfect snack.... The microwave didn't make the snack perfect, it was allready perfect it simply had a job to help the burger on its way... Any other microwave could do the exact same job....

Really? There is the argument that if Adam and Eve had never fallen, there would have been no other "humans" to follow. They would have been the perfect companions for God...no babies. Hence no mixing egg with seed and perpetuating man (no need). No original sin.

Second, we know for fact that a human female can gestate without a male's input, but the result is always female (identical to that of the mother). The miracle of Jesus is that he was born, and not a female identical to Mary...

v/r

Joshua

 

[pfw]

Hail Mary, Full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed is thee, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Indeed, a 14 year old Levite "prostitute" in Israel at the time of Jesus, who was about to be married to a son of the tribe of Judah (and the lineage of David)? You really don't know much about the society of Mary and Joseph, I should think...

v/r

Joshua

Just a quick question-is this replying to me or the post by Manephelien? I to me I'd like to point out that I aint the one who said Mary was a 14 year old prostitute etc. I did say that I don't believe in the virgin birth. What I was trying to point out was that ASSUMING Mary was pregnant before she married Joseph and ASSUMING the child wasn't Josheph there are OTHER possibilities for that without resorting to calling Mary a prostitute/slut. Oh and, no I don't know much about the culture and society of Isreal 2000 years ago.

 

[17th Angel]

Really? There is the argument that if Adam and Eve had never fallen, there would have been no other "humans" to follow. They would have been the perfect companions for God...no babies. Hence no mixing egg with seed and perpetuating man (no need). No original sin.

Yah, becuase if they had never "fallen" then they wouldn't wish to carry on god's law to populate and subdue the planet...... Perfect people care not for sex ;D

Ohhh So humans were to be companions for god? god -needed- company did he? Hmmm...

 

[wil]

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Originally Posted by Quahom1
Really? There is the argument that if Adam and Eve had never fallen, there would have been no other "humans" to follow. They would have been the perfect companions for God...no babies. Hence no mixing egg with seed and perpetuating man (no need). No original sin. Yah, becuase if they had never "fallen" then they wouldn't wish to carry on god's law to populate and subdue the planet...... Perfect people care not for sex ;D

Ohhh So humans were to be companions for god? god -needed- company did he? Hmmm...

If they had not fallen there may not even be humans at all.... Wasn't till afterword he put skin on them