If God was to send us a message.

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  1. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    Hello fellow monotheists!

    If God was to send us a message by say a prophet! What would you like to hear? Or what do you think he will have to say? Feel free to express your views, I'm curious!
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    If history/the stories are any indication isn't often that G-d tells any prophet what they want to hear...Nor does any prophet tell the public what they want to hear.

    More often tis what they need to hear. Like a parent concerned for the welfare of the children, the praises come with an edge.

    But what would I like to hear?

    "Haven't I told you over and over they are your brothers? Why do you treat my sons so?

    It isn't about their growth or their actions, it is about you, and your growth, your growing in understanding....I don't have time to recount, but forget who did what to you and all your petty blaming...what grade would you give yourself in regards to your actions and responses?

    Get up off your knees, quit mumbling and look at me. This is your world, your life, you've only got a limited time to learn as much as you can, spread as much love as you can, and realize your oneness with every other atom in this universe, do you think you are gaining a lot with beer and football? Your soul is benefitting by gossipping by the front door of the office with coffee and cigarettes? Are you developing a closer understanding by cleaning your gun and taking that life? Is your rant against your current enemy improving your worth....and is your constant desire to earn more and pay less increasing your awareness that you have access to the kingdom?

    You know, I've got nothing to tell you, it has all been said, but you refuse to listen. I've got questions...and don't come to me looking for answers...they are all right there where I told you they were. Don't you think it is time for you to quit looking at the outer for solutions? How has that worked for you over the past thousands of years?"
     
  3. flowperson

    flowperson Oannes

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    One of my prophets told you all that you need to know and do after he was beaten in the streets of Los Angeles, California a few of your years ago..."Can't we all just get along ?"

    flow....:(
     
  4. james

    james New Member

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    i dont think there could be another prophet, but if there was a message it would be that there is one god, all powerful, worthy of worship, to worship or praise anyone but Him is WRONG
     
  5. Zaakir

    Zaakir part of the ummah

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    thats a good point from an islamic view also!
     
  6. flowperson

    flowperson Oannes

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    James:

    What if a person's imagined image of G-d is a woman and not a man? Try this, what if G-d sometimes looked exactly like Oprah ? It's plausible since G-d looked like the late George Burns in the movies.

    Use of the pronoun "Him" excludes other possibilities. Since G-d has the power and ability to present His/Her presence in any form, or even as an unseen presence or force of nature, I believe that it might be best not to be exclusionary in our definitions here. I am sure that I have seen G-d showing me a presence in the form of doves and hummingbirds over the past ten years. It's happened to me too many times to number, but these showings and signs have always proven to have meaning to my life in the light of subsequent events.

    It's OK if you only see G-d as a man, perhaps an older white man with a long beard. You've got good company. As I said, the George Burns depiction fits here. After all that's how Michaelangelo saw and illustrated G-d. What I'm saying here is that an image of G-d is only true in the eye of a beholder, and since we are all so different, we're very likely to come up with different versions of G-d's image.

    You would agree, would you not that G-d speaks to all of us through prophets, mystics, and seers most often? After all, that's how the Bible and the Q'uran came to be composed.

    Just thinking out loud again.

    flow....:)
     
  7. james

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    ok...i didnt say god was a mna or woman. the term He is used as a status kinda thing. He is not man or woman, He doesnt reproduce. god also is not in the form of a person, least of all n old man with a beard or oprah! may god forgive us for thinking this. god is far greater than the creation. gos id above the creation, thinkni He is like a person, bird or nature meens He is like craetion, like He is one of His pwn inventions. god is far removed. we cannot copmprehend, where He is or what He is, just as we cnat think about the universe being ever lasting (in distance, although if you want to get physical, im not sure it is, as we have an ever expamnding universe, shown by doppler and hubble, and in some respects research into the gravitation fiels constant), but we cannot think about this, or think what is outside of the universe...we cannot even think what god looks like, as we can only think of craetion. god gave us His messgae through prophets yes, but He gave us our choices in life by guiding us if He wills, and through ourselves also accepting Him and His word.i dont know if you think i said its ok to think god looks like a man?but i didnt.and never would compare Him unto anything He has craeted or anything i can think of, He is too worthy of anything, His graetness cannot be spoken of
     
  8. flowperson

    flowperson Oannes

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    James:

    Thanks for your explanation. I'm sorry that I misunderstood your first post, but it was very brief. I agree with you that G-d is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. But G-d chooses to communicate with us through the Creation for there is no other way for us to receive and comprehend G-d's messsages. It's just that G-d has spoken to me in the ways that I described and I cannot deny my own experiences. All I was saying is that we all experience G-d's presence in different ways. I was merely describing mine.

    Peace to you....flow....:)
     
  9. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    These are some of the Billboards (highway signs for advertisement), with peculiar messages on them...I think we know what is being said:

    These are some billboards that were put up around the country with a simple, clear message.

    Let's meet at my house Sunday before the game.
    - God






    C'mon over and bring the kids.



    - God







    What part of
    "Thou Shalt Not . . ."

    didn't you understand?

    - God





    We need to talk.


    - God








    Keep using my name in vain,
    I'll make rush hour longer.



    - God




    Loved the wedding, invite me to the marriage.

    - God




    That "Love Thy Neighbor" thing . . . I meant it.


    - God




    I love you and you and you and you and . . .


    - God



    Will the road you're on get
    you to my place?

    - God




    Follow me.

    - God




    Big bang theory, you've got to be kidding.



    - God




    My way is the highway.

    - God




    Need directions?

    - God




    You think it's hot here?

    -God




    Have you read my #1 bestseller?
    There will be a test.


    -God




    Do you have any idea where you're going?


    -God



    Don't make me come down there.

    -God






    The "God's Billboards" campaign was originated by an advertising firm called
    the Smith Agency in Florida.

    According to The Christian Science Monitor, the ads were created by The Smith Agency
    in a advertising campaign funded by an anonymous person who wanted to "get people thinking about God."
    The "Messages from God" campaign was originally intended to be local and to last only a few months in 1999, but near its end, the Outdoor Advertising Association of America offered to launch it nationwide as a public service. The advertising space is now donated, either by the billboard owners or private individuals.
     
  10. Blue Jay

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    Even if all the societies and civilizations in the world worshiped their own conceptions of him they would all be worshiping the same God.
     
  11. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Believe? Perhaps most likely. worship?...no. God gets in the way to often for people to "worship" Him...
     
  12. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    I question (doubt, disbelieve, ignore) ... any God, or conception/image/personification/anthropomorphism thereof, who or which says, "Worship ME." That's not `G-d,' that's an overgrown human EGO.

    If we replace the word "worship" with the word "HONOR," I think that in just about every single context and situation ... we'd be 100% better off. Why? Because the implication, and application, of Honor - for most folks - is a fair bit larger, or greater, than "worship." :eek:

    Perhaps THIS is the message that God would send, and is sending, through Her modern-day prophets (almost all of whom have been women, I've noticed). And the 2nd message: Learn to acknowledge the Divine Feminine, which is the complement and co-equal, to the Divine Masculine. ;)

    But I think Simon & Garfunkel had something to say about the words of prophets, both modern-day and of old. At the same time, there may be something of the modern-day seer speaking to us through such media as science-fiction ... and fantasy. Tolkien, Roddenberry (Star Trek), Douglas Adams, et al ... had several important messages for us. And one of the most profound that I have ever encountered, comes through the movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still." This is no simple morality play, and not nearly the fanciful situation most folks probably still make it out to be. Kind of like Men in Black ... truth is stranger than fiction. :)

    Kind of like George (and others) said, all those years ago ... `The Writing's On the Wall' ...

    Namaskar,

    andrew
     
  13. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    God wants us to worship him at our own accord.. That's why you have the choice to refuse to, of which might be the choice of the ego too.
     
  14. InLove

    InLove at peace

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    I want to hear what God wants to tell me. I think God might say, "Listen and learn". Oh yeah, and "I AM LOVE".

    That's what I think.;)

    InPeace,
    InLove
     
  15. james

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    i think yes, we do all find Him in out own ways, mine was a struggle, but it turned me around. and although we all have different beleifs, yes we do worship Him, but our views on worship are different. christians stand in a church and hear readings, muslims prostrate and bow towards god. i see their worship, actually worship. also i think there are different forms, we should worship Him through every action taht we perform, and instead of pondering on what god looks like, ponder over His marvellous creation, which is what He has given us to look at.

    taijasi, i dont think its a human ego, god doesnt need us to worship Him, He is free of all wants and needs., its us that need to worship Him to get paradise.and He gives us the choice to accept Him or not, and if we do, He gives us rules to follow.
     
  16. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    If your concept of "worship" is prostrating one's self and groveling in the dirt before a task master who will smite one dead if one doesn't... then I agree.

    However, God is not asking for one's prostration and "HUMILIATION". He has that with the fallen angels, that thought they could take God on and win...:eek:

    The "Worship" God asks for is trust, compliance, acting on His command despite personal fear, and acknowledgement, that we are not perfect, and do not have all the answers, but admitting God does, and listening to those answers.

    Worship, is what a child does, when "dad" walks a certain way, or does certain things, and the child attempts to follow suite...and there is no shame in that, for either party...:D

    v/r

    Q
     
  17. arthra

    arthra A friend

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    My comment...

    Thanks for the topic Quahom!

    Well I kinda think this already occurred about a hundred years ago or so through the Manifestations of the Bab (1819-1850) and Baha'u'llah (1817-1892)... The message wasn't however what a lot of people at that time necessarily "wanted" to hear...that the nations should set about building a representative world government, an international court of arbitration, adopt a universal auxiliary language and establish peace and security for mankind and abolish class and race prejudice..but more and more people seem to be hearing the message and appreciating the need for it.

    - Art
     
  18. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    I'd say "you're welcome Artha"...but I didn't start the thread. Postmaster did. :D
     
  19. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    Actually, the occurrance was over 5000/6000 years ago, when God Himself established specific laws with Noah. They are called the "Seven" Noahidic Laws. At the time, the language of earth was allegedly one language already, and governments were to follow a single pattern. Courts and officers of the courts were to be just and fair. There was also no class or "race" persee at the time.

    Here:

    Origin

    According to the Biblical narrative, the Deluge covered the whole world killing every surface-dwelling creature except Noah, his family and the creatures of the ark. After the flood, God seals a covenant with Noah with the following admonitions (Genesis 9):
    • Food: "Also, flesh with the life -the blood- in it do not eat." (9:4)
    • Murder: "I will also inquire about your blood, your life, from all animals, and from each human I will inquire about his brother's blood. Who sheds the blood of man, by man his blood will be shed, because in the image of God was man made."
    The Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin 56a/b, quoting Tosefta Sanhedrin 9:4) states that the instruction to not eat "flesh with the life" was given to Noah, and that Adam and Eve had already received six other commandments. The remaining six are exegetically derived from a seemingly superfluous sentence in Genesis 2:16.
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    The Seven Laws

    The seven laws (commonly rendered as Sheva Mitzvot Shel Bnei Noach) are:
    1. Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods.
    2. Shefichat damim - Do not murder.
    3. Gezel - Do not steal (or kidnap).
    4. Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, bestiality, male homosexual sex acts, i.e. sodomy, and adultery.)
    5. Birkat Hashem - Do not "bless God" euphemistically referring to blasphemy.
    6. Ever min ha-chai - Do not eat any flesh that was torn from the body of a living animal (given to Noah and traditionally interpreted as a prohibition of cruelty towards animals)
    7. Dinim - Set up a system of honest, effective courts, police and laws.
    The Talmud also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a). Any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as one of "the righteous among the gentiles". Maimonides states that this refers to those who have acquired knowledge of God and act in accordance with the Noahide laws.
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    Definition of Noahides

    According to rabbinic Judaism, as expressed in the Talmud, the Noahide Laws apply to all humanity through mankind's descent from one paternal ancestor who in Hebrew tradition is called Noah (the head of the only family to survive during The Flood). In Judaism, בני נח B'nei Noah (Hebrew, "Descendants of Noah", "Children of Noah") refers to all of mankind.
    Judaism holds that gentiles (goyim "non-Jews [literally 'Nations']") are not obligated to adhere to all the laws of the Torah (indeed, they are forbidden to fulfill some laws, such as the keeping of the Sabbath in the exact same manner as Israel [citation needed]). Rabbinic Judaism and its modern-day descendants discourage proselytization. The Noahide Laws are regarded as the way through which non-Jews can have a direct and meaningful relationship with God or at least comply with the minimal requisites of civilization and of divine law.
    A non-Jew who keeps the Noahide Law in all its details is said to attain the same spiritual and moral level as Israel's own Kohen Gadol (high priest) (Talmud, Bava Kamma 38a). Maimonides states in his work Mishneh Torah (The laws of kings and their rulership 8:11) that a Ger Toshav who is precise in the observance of these Seven Noahide commandments is considered to be a Righteous Gentile and has earned a place in the world to come. This follows a similar statement in the Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin 105b). However, according to Maimonides, a gentile is considered righteous only if a person follows the Noahide laws specifically because he or she considers them to be of divine origin (through the Torah) and not if they are merely considered to be intellectually compelling or good rules for living.[1]
    Noahide law differs radically from the Roman law for gentiles (Jus Gentium), if only because the latter was an enforceable judicial policy. Rabbinic Judaism has never adjudicated any cases under Noahide law (per Novak, 1983:28ff.), although scholars disagree about whether the Noahide law is a functional part of Halakha (cf. Bleich).
    In recent years, Noahide has come to refer to non-Jews who strive to live in accord with the seven Noahide Laws; the terms "observant Noahide" or "Torah-centered Noahides" would be more precise but are infrequently used. The rainbow, referring to the Noahide or First Covenant (Genesis 9), is the symbol of many organized Noahide groups. A non-Jewish person of any ethnicity or religion is referred to as a bat "daughter" or ben "son" of Noah, but most organizations that call themselves בני נח are composed of gentiles who are keeping the Noahide Laws.

    hope that helps.

    v/r

    Q
     
  20. james

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    i never said anything about dirt, and how is prostrating before your lord a humiliation.its better tahn sat down listening to someone reading the gospel, then eating some porridge tasting stuff that is meant to be god...
     

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