just an observation....

Quahom1 said:
Could be "Tabris" of Tokyo-3 (angel of free will), or part of his military designation. Never thought to ask.
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cyberpi said:
What does the number 17 mean to you... anything special?
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Heh... 17 is apart of something bad I have done.. 17 is the amount I owe. It is also involved in alot of dreams I have had where there are 17 angels that visit me... I used to have that dream for years, but it has now faded. Q is on the right tracks about me using rank... Simply my "military designation" :) But I think there is much more fun in leaving minds to be curious and come to their own conclusions to things... more exciting I believe...
 
He can no longer sit on the sidelines.

The eye for an eye as it was explained before did not refer to what should be done, rather maximum retribution by the judge, tribunal, council whatever.

Eye plus tenfold is beyond the pale and part of the problem with our worldwide societal notions today. We've tried this system for 10,000 years...and happily march on to war abusing whoever we decide and if they respond in what we deem a negative way we glady give them tenfold.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Forgiveness is not for anyone else, it is a completely selfish act, that will provide a thousand times better results than an eye for an eye. When we react in violence, vengence, or retribution, we never feel like we get enough. When we take the high road, we can sleep at night.
 
17th Angel said:
Heh... 17 is apart of something bad I have done.. 17 is the amount I owe. It is also involved in alot of dreams I have had where there are 17 angels that visit me... I used to have that dream for years, but it has now faded. Q is on the right tracks about me using rank... Simply my "military designation" :) But I think there is much more fun in leaving minds to be curious and come to their own conclusions to things... more exciting I believe...
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Are you absolutely sure there were 17 angels? It could have been 16 or 18. How do you count angels in a dream? Your mind isn't clear in a dream. Dreams are erratic. People go to weird places and do weird things in dreams. Dreams are a drunken reality.:)

But wait, if there are 17 angels, aren't you the 18th?

Sounds like Earl on T.V. The guy who's wronged a dozen people and has a list of things he needs to do to get even with himself for the things he has done.
 
Saltmeister said:
Are you absolutely sure there were 17 angels? It could have been 16 or 18. How do you count angels in a dream? Your mind isn't clear in a dream. Dreams are erratic. People go to weird places and do weird things in dreams. Dreams are a drunken reality.:)

But wait, if there are 17 angels, aren't you the 18th?

Sounds like Earl on T.V. The guy who's wronged a dozen people and has a list of things he needs to do to get even with himself for the things he has done.
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I am 100% sure there are only 17. This dream is far from unclear... I agree most dreams are here and there and seem to last a blink of an eye. But I recall every small detail of this dream.. Seeing I had the same one for years. And yup maybe it is drunken reality... But it still sticks in my mind.

Am I not the 18th? No these 17 are "apart" of me...

Never heard of "Earl on T.V" Sounds slighty interesting I suppose.. Don't watch television shows.
 
17th Angel said:
I didn't see this bit..... You know I grow weed? lol... We've talked before? uh... heh... before anyone mentions anything about short term memory loss with any connection to weed... thats an urban myth... ¬.¬ heh.
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Nuts! And I thought you were one of the hemp distributors for our ship's lines (rope for you land lubbers). A 21 strand 6 inch hemp line can hold a 15,000 ton ship to a pier in a force 4 hurricane...
 
17th Angel said:
When I was in Amsterdam, went to the Hemp museum... Unreal.... So many uses... yet when the 'H' word is mentioned... There is this odd reaction you can notice in peoples facial expressions heh.
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Not in the US Naval forces...it's when tetra hydra canibinal is mentioned that people get nervous...hemp itself is a Godsend.
 
Umm...hello y'all--I hate to be a bore, but I hadn't seen this thread before. Just read back through all of this. Interesting, I thought--first I read the last post, and then jumped straight to the first post. Of course, then, I had to wonder how did it get from names of God to hemp? LOL, JUAN?

Anyway, I do know that what wil and Thomas talked about are the usual (and technically correct) reasons for the different ways we type The Name. But I have been thinking about this quite a bit. And so now, since this thread has come to the forefront again, maybe I'll add this thought.

Maybe one reason that the name of (if I am going to talk about this, then I have to pick one, so I'm with you Thomas) Adonai is to be so revered as to not even speak it is that once we speak it, and we all start saying it differently, then many begin to argue, saying that it is not the same God?

I dunno. Not very theological or technical or anything. Just a thought I had.

InPeace,
InLove
 
17th Angel said:
I am 100% sure there are only 17. This dream is far from unclear... I agree most dreams are here and there and seem to last a blink of an eye. But I recall every small detail of this dream.. Seeing I had the same one for years. And yup maybe it is drunken reality... But it still sticks in my mind.

Am I not the 18th? No these 17 are "apart" of me...

Never heard of "Earl on T.V" Sounds slighty interesting I suppose.. Don't watch television shows.
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I think I remember now. It's actually called "My Name is Earl." It's about a guy who ends up in hospital and decides it must be bad karma. He goes around making up for all the bad things he's done to people.
 
Quahom1 said:
Not in the US Naval forces...it's when tetra hydra canibinal is mentioned that people get nervous...hemp itself is a Godsend.
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lol I couldn't imagine why... ;D

Saltmeister said:
I think I remember now. It's actually called "My Name is Earl." It's about a guy who ends up in hospital and decides it must be bad karma. He goes around making up for all the bad things he's done to people.
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lol, I was just thinking of this yesterday... Was walking through the tesco store here... and in the TV DVD section I saw this Earl dvd, is 'Earl' The guy out of 'clerks' 'dogma' 'mallrats' 'chasing amy' ? Sounds, interesting I may have to give it a go...
 
InLove said:
Umm...hello y'all--I hate to be a bore, but I hadn't seen this thread before. Just read back through all of this. Interesting, I thought--first I read the last post, and then jumped straight to the first post. Of course, then, I had to wonder how did it get from names of God to hemp? LOL, JUAN?

Anyway, I do know that what wil and Thomas talked about are the usual (and technically correct) reasons for the different ways we type The Name. But I have been thinking about this quite a bit. And so now, since this thread has come to the forefront again, maybe I'll add this thought.

Maybe one reason that the name of (if I am going to talk about this, then I have to pick one, so I'm with you Thomas) Adonai is to be so revered as to not even speak it is that once we speak it, and we all start saying it differently, then many begin to argue, saying that it is not the same God?

I dunno. Not very theological or technical or anything. Just a thought I had.

InPeace,
InLove
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I think it has to do with how the Jews in Old Testament times addressed the God of Israel. His name was so sacred, saying it at all was an act of disrespect but people who were not even worthy to say it. I think when they wrote it down, they made it so that it was a word that . . . didn't make sense or couldn't be pronounced, to remind people that they weren't supposed to say His name, but say something else as a substitute that represented it.

"G!d" I think is a bit like that. Methinks people don't want to say "God" directly in case it might be misused or uttered in vain.

I'm kind of thinking though, if "G!d" is a way of expressing the idea that God's name is sacred, and a way of avoiding "God" then the name "G!d" is sacred, not "God." That's because "G!d" is an expression of one's respect for God's name. A person who says "G!d" does it out of respect.

But that opens the door for God's name to be disrespected even through use of "G!d." Use of "G!d" may represent one's respect for His name, but this could also be done recklessly, foolishly or in vain. Someone with no respect for God could easily use "G!d" disrespectfully.

For me, saying "God" expresses the idea that even if I tried hard to respect God and His name, to keep the idea of Him sacred, I will always fall short of that standard and therefore I claim not to be able to do so.:D

In that sense, what's the difference? Either way, the moral principle of respecting God, His title and His name can be desecrated. I think I'd be safe not claiming I have honoured Him enough.
 
Saltmeister said:
I think it has to do with how the Jews in Old Testament times addressed the God of Israel. His name was so sacred, saying it at all was an act of disrespect but people who were not even worthy to say it. I think when they wrote it down, they made it so that it was a word that . . . didn't make sense or couldn't be pronounced, to remind people that they weren't supposed to say His name, but say something else as a substitute that represented it.

"G!d" I think is a bit like that. Methinks people don't want to say "God" directly in case it might be misused or uttered in vain.

I'm kind of thinking though, if "G!d" is a way of expressing the idea that God's name is sacred, and a way of avoiding "God" then the name "G!d" is sacred, not "God." That's because "G!d" is an expression of one's respect for God's name. A person who says "G!d" does it out of respect.

But that opens the door for God's name to be disrespected even through use of "G!d." Use of "G!d" may represent one's respect for His name, but this could also be done recklessly, foolishly or in vain. Someone with no respect for God could easily use "G!d" disrespectfully.

For me, saying "God" expresses the idea that even if I tried hard to respect God and His name, to keep the idea of Him sacred, I will always fall short of that standard and therefore I claim not to be able to do so.:D

In that sense, what's the difference? Either way, the moral principle of respecting God, His title and His name can be desecrated. I think I'd be safe not claiming I have honoured Him enough.
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Nice... abit like the eye contact thing? Example I like to lock onto peoples eyes... I will not move from staring into their eyes when in conversation I see it as way to show confidence, trust, respect, concentration and strength. Others would see it as uncomfortable and perhaps aggressive behaviour. Meaning that using that word for you is on the side of trust and respect for the diety... and believe that saying his title honors him? Cool.
 
Saltmeister--China Cat is fearless! Don't you know that?:)

Chris, the way I heard it (in church, as a matter of fact) was:

A dad was listening in on his little boy one evening as the child knelt beside his bed: "Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name."

Please, it's just a sweet joke about children. I don't think "Adonai" would mind.;)

(Well, mine's a joke, anyway--can't always speak for the Cat.):)

InPeace,
InLove
 
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