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[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Sorry but I thought people said previously that the soul is carried in the blood, which is why people should not take blood? Does the Bible, in your opinion, diferentiate between human blood and animal blood?

lol.... He will try and twist it as best he can MW... Because JW's will not accept that an animal has a "soul" yet it says that in the bible in clear English... (Or whatever your prefered language.) That the soul of the animal is within it's blood.....

Also, if animals do not have a soul and do not go to heaven.. Screw heaven... Send me where the animals go... Much better company.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

well personally i dont consider any church that distances themselves from mainstream christianity any type of channel, or who purposely change words used in speaking about the bible so it differs from mainstream christianity, or who change the scriptures of the bible from mainstream Christianity to fit their central voice that dictates their thoughts, and anyone who reads the bible on their own, and has a different idea of god is disfellowshipped. its more about bringing together groups of people to worship our lord jesus christ under the umbrella of Christianity and in brotherhood and fellowship of the spirit, not side-step the Christian church, jesus christ, the holy spirit. Rather you point to the watchtower for instruction, the kingdom hall to distance oneself from the christian chruch and make self-proclamations of being a channel directly to god the father himself, rather than thru jesus christ, who is the only one between us and the father.

and who is it that feeds this faithful slave spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 it is JESUS . and we all know that Jesus does nothing of his own thinking but always looks to the father Jehovah , yes as you say our prayers are through Jesus christ, but as Jesus taught his followers in the model prayer, first things first . matthew 6;9-10 and yes i quite agree that any church that distances itself from the christianity that Jesus taught and calls itself the channel would be wrong .and yes i can quite plainly see that the mainstream have added on many manmade doctrines such as the trinity teaching , litral hellfire ect, ect, that is not good to change Jesus pure teachings into manmade doctrines and traditions and yes i also agree that changing the pure word of God to fit these manmade doctines is also a no,no, yes keeping the channel that Jesus is using clean in a spiritual and moral way is just what Jehovah and Jesus are after. i am glad to see that Jehovahs people are following the example of the first century christians in this , and yes bringing people from all nations togeather to worship in a clean and pure way is the thing to do and its good to know that there is a GREAT CROWD from all nations doings just that revelation 7;9-10 and the umberella protects them in a really good way . when the umberella is provided by the most high it would not be a rubbish umberella it would be the best around and it protects us in a fine way ....... nice and when these ones have the backing of the active force of God (holyspirit) many things are accomlished ,and what wonderful provisions are provided, and they are all for our benefit...... nice and its good to see that Jehovah has his people in congregations all over the world and they are all instructed in the ways of the most high . yes our leader is Jesus christ . and in these last days he is doing a very fine job of being a reigning king Daniel 7;13-14.... thrilling times indeed . but not all people listen to Jesus and his channel . i am glad to say that i open my ears to Jesus voice because it is the only way to salvation. ............ and yes it is very good

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Sorry but I thought people said previously that the soul is carried in the blood, which is why people should not take blood? Does the Bible, in your opinion, diferentiate between human blood and animal blood?

SOUL​

The original-language terms (Heb., ne´phesh [נפ?]; Gr., psy·khe´ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show "soul" to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

SOUL​

The original-language terms (Heb., ne´phesh [נפ?]; Gr., psy·khe´ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show "soul" to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

So lol.... a soul is either a human or the humans life? An animal or the animals life? That makes, no freaking sense Mee. So if you kill a human you kill the soul? If you capture a human, you have captured the soul?

Soul as in Indvidual? So you and me... There are two souls talking on this thread right now? Ok I can get that bit... But how is the soul the blood too? are your fingernails soul as well? Ah shucks! I just broke my soul!

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

So you say the soul can die, since it is not immortal. What do you consider death as? Do you see death as the end of our consciousness, thought, and perceiving? As if we just cease to exist? If such were true then why did Jesus say some will be banished to where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, or that a person will go on to ever lasting life?

Or do you mean that death is the absence of the living God (where all life comes from)? If that's what you mean you are probably referring to Hell, which is cut off from God (the giver of all life), and is sometimes referred to in the Bible as "death."

the bible tells us that a soul dies... Ezekiel 18;4 and the following verses in ecllesiastes 9;5-6
For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun........... that is what the bible teaches , but death is like a sleep because Jesus will resurrect people . when Jesus resurrected Lazurus he likened his death to sleep , even though he was dead . but we are not aware of anything at all, that is why Lazurus did not say hey , i will tell you where i have been . it was as if he had just woke up .As for the gnashing of the teeth of some, this was mentioned in matthew 24;48-51 and these ones used to be part of the faithful slave spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 but they are now known as an evil slave because they have turned on the faithful slave , but this evil slave is in darkness in a spiritual way because they are not fed by Jesus . but the faithful slave has great blessings indeed, because they have passed the test of faithfulness.
Some of the "other sheep" have imitated their unfaithfulness. (John 10:16) All such enemies of the Christ end up in the same spiritual "darkness outside."
In a comparable way, after the death of the apostles, "oppressive wolves" came from the ranks of anointed Christian elders.—Acts 20:29, 30.....yes we are now well along into bible prophecy and many things have happened and are happening right now
Nonetheless, the faithful and discreet slave went through the same tests as "that evil slave." Rather than becoming embittered, however, they were readjusted. (2 Corinthians 13:11) Their love for Jehovah and their brothers was strengthened. As a result, they have been "a pillar and support of the truth" during these tumultuous "last days."—1 Timothy 3:15; 2 Timothy 3:1.

 

[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Send me where the animals go... Much better company.

I second that motion.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

I second that motion.

yes there is an eventuallity of the animals and the humans and we are all going to the same place and that is to dust, with no concious thoughts at all.as the bible tells us .
For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust
Ecclesiastes 3:19-20.

 

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the bible tells us that a soul dies... Ezekiel 18;4 and the following verses in ecllesiastes 9;5-6
For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all

What about people who have near-death experiences. They are clinically dead. No activity at all in their bodies and they come back to life after experiencing the after life. They describe it just like the bible describes Heaven or Hell.

 

[Quahom1]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

yes there is an eventuallity of the animals and the humans and we are all going to the same place and that is to dust, with no concious thoughts at all.as the bible tells us .
For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust
Ecclesiastes 3:19-20.

Doubt it dude. Ecclesiastes was a bane by Solomon who lost his closeness with God. Taking Ecc out of context is plain silly. What Solomon was saying was that without a relationship with God, life meant nothing. Had nothing to do with dying and becoming dust and no consciousness or awarness of self.

We are far greater than the "beasts" of the earth. However they have an advantage over us...they'll never be judged, for they commit no sin.

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[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

yes there is an eventuallity of the animals and the humans and we are all going to the same place and that is to dust, with no concious thoughts at all.as the bible tells us .

So you don't believe there is a heaven? If that is the case, then what would be the point of denying blood to a dying child. If there is no heaven then surely there is nothing to answer for, we will just become dust?

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

So you don't believe there is a heaven? ?

yes i certainly do believe that there is a heaven , and it is in heaven that the heavenly kingdom that God setup in 1914, with Jesus as a reigning king is. Daniel 7;13-14
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44..................... its all happening not only down here but also in the heavens , but dead people dont go to heaven they go to dust just as the bible informs us . but as we all know Jesus will resurrect a limited number of 144,000 or a little flock to rule with him in this heavenly kingdom. they will be resurrected with a spiritual body ,so that they can be in heaven the same way that Jesus was resurrected by his father Jehovah with a spiritual body to go back to heaven. but for the rest of us we have the hope of being resurrected back to earth at a future time . and then we can see our loved ones again in perfect health. no not in heaven ,but on the earth which was Gods original purpose for man . and it will not be for 70 or 80 years it will be forever in a paradise earth. that is what the bible teaches but man has made up all sorts of things about heaven even though the bible does not teach those things . and many many people are misled by those manmade teachings

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

What about people who have near-death experiences. They are clinically dead. No activity at all in their bodies and they come back to life after experiencing the after life. They describe it just like the bible describes Heaven or Hell.

A near -death experience is not death , because they are alive again . if there was no Activity they would not come round from it .
How, then, can all the near-death and out-of-body experiences be explained? Basically, there are at least two possibilities—one is that presented by some psychologists to the effect that the still-active brain of the near-dead person recalls and forms images under the stresses of the near-death experience. These are then interpreted by some patients and investigators to be glimpses of life after death. In fact, as we have seen from the Bible, such cannot be the case, for man does not have an immortal soul, and there is no such thing as life after death as perceived in these cases. and it is a known fact that lack of oxegeon causes the light at the end of the tunnel syndrome .also remember that satan is the one that has used the immortality of the human soul (lie) down through the centuries which has ingrained peoples thinking and the brain stores all of these false teachings and satan makes good use of these things like near-death to promote it ,and get people to think that we never die . and the bible does tell us that satan is an angel of light . decieving people in all sorts of ways .
If he can perpetuate the basic lie that he has always maintained—"You positively will not die"—he can do it through the apparently most innocent and enlightening means.—Genesis 3:4, 5.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Doubt it dude. Ecclesiastes was a bane by Solomon who lost his closeness with God. Taking Ecc out of context is plain silly. What Solomon was saying was that without a relationship with God, life meant nothing. Had nothing to do with dying and becoming dust and no consciousness or awarness of self.

We are far greater than the "beasts" of the earth. However they have an advantage over us...they'll never be judged, for they commit no sin.

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(Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."​

(Job 10:9) Remember, please, that out of clay you have made me And to dust you will make me return.​

(Job 34:15) All flesh will expire together, And earthling man himself will return to the very dust.​

(Psalm 104:29) If you conceal your face, they get disturbed. If you take away their spirit,
"Their spirit (breath)." Heb., ru·cham´; Gr., pneu´ma; Lat., spi´ri·tum.
they expire, And back to their dust they go.

(Daniel 12:2) And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.......................... so how many other times in the bible do you dismiss what the bible says ?​

 

[Quahom1]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Doubt it dude. Ecclesiastes was a bane by Solomon who lost his closeness with God. Taking Ecc out of context is plain silly. What Solomon was saying was that without a relationship with God, life meant nothing. Had nothing to do with dying and becoming dust and no consciousness or awarness of self.

We are far greater than the "beasts" of the earth. However they have an advantage over us...they'll never be judged, for they commit no sin.

v/r

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(Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."​

(Job 10:9) Remember, please, that out of clay you have made me And to dust you will make me return.​

(Job 34:15) All flesh will expire together, And earthling man himself will return to the very dust.​

(Psalm 104:29) If you conceal your face, they get disturbed. If you take away their spirit,
"Their spirit (breath)." Heb., ru·cham´; Gr., pneu´ma; Lat., spi´ri·tum.
they expire, And back to their dust they go.

(Daniel 12:2) And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.......................... so how many other times in the bible do you dismiss what the bible says ?​

I didn't. I said we are greater than the animals...

 

[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

and it is in heaven that the heavenly kingdom that God setup in 1914,

The year 1914 AD?

 

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

A near -death experience is not death , because they are alive again . if there was no Activity they would not come round from it .

Yeah, but they do. People who are completely dead. Nothing going on in their body what-so-ever. Some are even dead for 2 to 3 days and they suddenly come back to life.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Yeah, but they do. People who are completely dead. Nothing going on in their body what-so-ever. Some are even dead for 2 to 3 days and they suddenly come back to life.

NEAR- death

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

I didn't. I said we are greater than the animals...

so why do you say that i am putting ecllesiastis out of context ? the point i was making was that the bible says we go to dust and the other verses are inline with that .

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

we are greater than the animals...

Shouldn't that be; YOU THINK you are greater than all other animals? Compared to most animals we are useless.... You could throw some insects and animals off the top of your empire state building.. They'd walk away, would you? How many other animals are arrgogant, spiteful creatures that have so much greed they are blinded and destroy the world we live in? How many other animals have brought TONS AND TONS of other animals to extintion? How many other animals kill just for the hell of it? I could go on... We are not at all that great lol... As I have said a million times and I will say another million times we are a jumped up animal with such a false high importance and too much intelligence for our own good... It makes me gigglez.... Because we ain't as great as we think we are.... On a scale we are porbally down the bottom of that list..

 

[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Ameen to that 17th