did jesus believe in the old testement?

[Thomas]

Hi Alex —

... So yeah some christians can be the believe or else, the end is nigh blah blah doomsday cults lol...

Without treading on too many toes, this does appear to be a peculiarly American phenomena. I know the proliferation of denominations in the US, combined with an intensely materialist/consumerist culture, has lead to a competitive expression, but really there is nowhere near as much of this kind of thing going on in the rest of 'the West' ...

... I know some very, very intelligent Neo nazi's...

I remember hearing a journalist recalling an interview with the leader of 'Shining Path', a Maoist outfit in Peru which had a reputation for brutality second only to Pol Pot. What horrified the interviewer most of all was that the leader was a suave and urbane type, with a degree in law and another in philosophy ...

... but let's not get too far from the point. Jesus Christ endorsed the Hebrew Law, and where he altered it, He was tougher — the rule against divorce, and command to forgiveness, two good examples ... the 'hippy' image of Jesus, with all that the idea entails, is itself a fabrication of the hippy movement and is mostly nonsense.

A far more accurate image, from His owns words, would be "My way, or no way... " — remember that He died, and His followers died, for refusing to make concessions.

That Our Lord made the supreme sacrifice of Himself for our salvation, that His Love and Mercy is both infinite and unlimited, is as a message in itself, entirely opposed to the hippy ideal of 'do your own thing' or 'tune in, turn on and drop out' ... in that sense His message of Universal Love was taken by the hippies as the call to 'Free Love' an excuse for a shagfest ... in effect they took a profoundly spiritual message, and reduced it to the most material/consumer/animal component, and then convinced themselves and everyone else they were into a deeply spiritual thing ... something that was in fact little more, in reality, than a mastabatory fantasy.

Thomas

 

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thomas

You’re in the US, right? Then yes, I would say there are a lot of misconceptions.

no i am in the uk, but it has just as many misconceptions.

The Christian one is about putting God and one’s neighbour first ... that’s the toughest rule, and that’s the one most often ‘reworked’ to suit a self-orientated outlook.

so true! yet many chirstians are so demonising of others. this is where i get so confused, the most salient feature seams to get overlooked when it comes to a neighbour who doesn’t fit into what one thinks is right ~ often silly little things.
...such is the nature of people rather than religion perhaps.

alex p

Example again, I know some very, very intelligent Neo nazi’s Would run circles around most in here, yet we are left to believe that they are all entire idiots and thugs... Every group has many groups within it’s group.

i have seen some good arguments for superiority over equality, not quite the same as neo nazism, but it points to why so many people are on the fringes. the arguments are usually overcome by reality, it is funny how history shows us things like that e.g. there was an argument stating that we are all racists and that some countries are better than others etc, the argument would be valid a couple of hundred years ago, yet due to the way we are all blended, it makes no sense.

i digress, what was i saying?

 

[bob x]

yet many chirstians are so demonising of others

Like thomas here, spending most of his energy demonizing the hippies, ironically on grounds that he think them more self-centered than himself.