On Blasphemy: A wrong, a right, or both, or neither?

talib-al-kalim said:
I have read the accusations that have been brought forward against Aikenhead and I fully agree that what he uttered was blasphemy. He lacked respect not only to God, but also towards all prophets he knew and those who trusted them. To me, this is repulsive and disgusting. In my belief, he has committed a major sin.
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What is it that is SO awful? His honest thoughts?
That would be almost like saying people don't have a right to speak against what they think are false religions.
Is it ok to speak against false religions? If it is, then it is okay to speak against ANY religion because there is ALWAYS going to be somebody who thinks it is false.
And there are people who literally do think every religion is false (you do not have to be an atheist to think this)
Or, is there a double standard, where some religions are not to be contradicted but it is okay to call all other religions false? Or SOME other religions false?
Or are ALL Religions protected by limiting someone's/everyone's freedom of speech?
If so, who are you protecting? The feelings of the religious people? Their feelings are more important than the feelings of those who feel another way? Is G-d himself (or other entities, in the case of nonAbrahamic religions) being protected from the harm caused by mere words?
What if someone is really offended by a religious claim?
What if a religious claim profoundly contradicts your own religion? Is it okay to say it is wrong? Or just bad form?
Should a forum like this, or the people on a forum like this, be afraid to speak their minds because their honest thoughts go against something that matters to somebody else?
talib-al-kalim said:
The other thing is whether it is right to kill him.
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NO.
 
talib-al-kalim said:
According to Sunni Sharia, a person who committed kufr (which is broader, but includes blasphemy) should be given a period of 3 days to revoke and repent, else he would be put to death.
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Yikes.
They did that in Europe too for a time, killed people for saying things contradictory to the preferred religious system of whoever was in power.
It's happened elsewhere in the world too.
I do not think it should happen AT ALL.
 
talib-al-kalim said:
The other thing is whether it is right to kill him.
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I mean seriously!!
Murdering someone because you do not like what they say?
Barbaric.
What good is religion if for one thing, it doesn't know right from wrong, and for another thing, you have to defend it from free thinking?
Is it considered blasphemy that I said that? If the right/wrong people knew, should I be afraid for my life? 🧐 😖😡
talib-al-kalim said:
To me, this is repulsive and disgusting.
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The murder of the young man was, yes.
Not his having an opinion.

I cannot believe I am even having this conversation.

In this day and age.

But humanity hasn't changed. Not really.
It seems we had become more advanced - maybe we never really had, or maybe we are going backwards. 🤕

Maybe you're not actually advocating murder, but you seem very cool about it and not exactly horrified.

When religious people say, every human life is precious, do they mean it?
Maybe not all religions believe that?
Or your life becomes less precious when you say the wrong thing.
I guess maybe that is it. :oops: 😢
 
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I do apologise. I was laughing at what I assumed your comic pomposity.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Murdering someone because you do not like what they say?
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(To bring that into the topic's frame)

That's the point, yes. Seaking badly about something good and a matter of respect, because one does not like, understand it.

"Free speech" isn't different to "free bodily deeds". It's simple an idiotic idea of pseudo-liberalism that doesn't sees though own bias and defilements.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Is it ok to speak against false religions?
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Fist of all one needs to prove and investigate carefully, since not knowing isn't a protection against bad effects, but actually it's reason. When investigated well, and good to cross-check it with wise people, than it's certain not wrong to blame of what's worthy to blame, praise what's worthy to praise. It even leads to heavens. Yet one should anyway consider whether talking out might harm others or oneself, and speak only with a mind of goodwill, never with intention of harm. Further, if oneself is not free of faults, or in dependency, it's also a improper occassion.
In any case, good to show signs of disregard and of course don't mentally approve wrong (if knowing what's wrong), wishing "may they come to mind, or may they meet somebody brings them to mind.

In cases one hasn't really proved and investigated, follows preference, bias, wrong understanding, and then actually blames what's worthy to praise, praise what's worthy to blame... that's the straight highway to misery, to hell.

If actually not knowing, best to be silent. If "just" disliking, because maybe not understanding, better to avoid touch till there might be place to get deeper in certain matter.

Since this matter is a topic common people aren't easy able to approach right, there are (at least before the pseudo-liberal idiotic) usually rules in society, protecting from conflucts and unrest, such as rules of who's required to be respected at first place, and what or who should be not touch-able by common folk.

It's importand to understand that misuse of rules doesn't make rules wrong, and it's wise not to reject things because of personal preferences. And that deeds of individuals or even groups might not necessarily reflect the good they use as their means of relay.

Good to consider, in this relation, that actually all beings are worthy of not being harmed and deprived from the basics. Even the "bad" guys.
 
TheLightWithin said:
I mean seriously!!
Murdering someone because you do not like what they say?
Barbaric.
What good is religion if for one thing, it doesn't know right from wrong, and for another thing, you have to defend it from free thinking?
Is it considered blasphemy that I said that? If the right/wrong people knew, should I be afraid for my life? 🧐 😖😡

The murder of the young man was, yes.
Not his having an opinion.

I cannot believe I am even having this conversation.

In this day and age.

But humanity hasn't changed. Not really.
It seems we had become more advanced - maybe we never really had, or maybe we are going backwards. 🤕

Maybe you're not actually advocating murder, but you seem very cool about it and not exactly horrified.

When religious people say, every human life is precious, do they mean it?
Maybe not all religions believe that?
Or your life becomes less precious when you say the wrong thing.
I guess maybe that is it. :oops: 😢
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(III have been too busy the last days because I had to help a friend who was unjustly imprisoned in France. She's free now.)
I think you got me wrong. I said that what that person said was blasphemy. I didn't say that I support death penalty, I am clearly against it. I am also against the application of Shariah penalty law today. God may punish or forgive as God wills. What is it good for to put someone to death when he sinned against God, rather than make him see his error and repent?
 
All wrong going is based on wrong view, short ingratitude, denying debt and duty.

“And how is one made impure in three ways by mental action (greed, hatred, delution)? There is the case where a certain person is covetous. He covets the belongings of others, thinking, 'O, that what belongs to others would be mine!' He bears ill will, corrupt in the resolves of his heart: 'May these beings be killed or cut apart or crushed or destroyed, or may they not exist at all!' He has wrong view, is warped in the way he sees things: 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is how one is made impure in three ways by mental action.
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Cunda Kammaraputta Sutta: To Cunda the Silversmith
 
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