I converted to Jehovah's Witnesses

walter said:
Jesus created everything whether it was in heaven or on earth by his Fathers instructions and power. Which Jesus explains in detail in the gospels. Notice Jesus words in the gospels he gives the credit to his Father most of the time.
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I was always a little confused by that. I guess that has a scriptural basis, but I had always been under the impression that the Father was the creator and the Son was considered the Redeemer (and that theology evolved to be somewhat different than the Jewish conception of Mosiach/Messiah)
 
walter said:
Whether we both read the scriptures differently or not, is it really that difficult, we both speak English and the scriptures are written in English, if we let the words in the scriptures speak for themselves, how hard can it be?
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They're translated into English.
Words don't speak for themselves exactly - they often need to be restated or explained for individuals to understand better.
Definitions of words evolve over time, or have different meanings in different parts of the world (think of the vocab differences in modern times between the UK and the USA) or how often we say "What did you mean?" to anybody?
Also wasn't there a thing in the ancient world where a lot of people didn't necessarily trust writings because you couldn't talk to the author and quiz them or challenge them and ask them to answer your questions?
 
TheLightWithin said:
Also wasn't there a thing in the ancient world where a lot of people didn't necessarily trust writings because you couldn't talk to the author and quiz them or challenge them and ask them to answer your questions?
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The following speaks to the idea a little
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Plato's Argument Against Writing

The people who invent something new, create a new tool or technology are not necessarily the people who are going to understand what the social impact of those inventions are going to be.
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TheLightWithin said:
I had always been under the impression that the Father was the creator
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Yes I agree.
John 17:5 Jesus words in prayer with his Father says: glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Note: All these scriptures agree that Jesus was with The God before the world was and through Jesus: at John 1:2-3 This one was with The God in the beginning, 3 Everything, by his hand, was made,Without him, not a single thing was made.

John 5:19
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. New King James Version

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak from Myself; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works. Berean Literal Bible

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,...

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. American Standard Version

John 1:1 " In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word. 2 This was in a beginning with the God. 3 All through it was done; and without it was done not even one, that has been done.
Diaglott "Emphatic Diaglott New Testament 1864

2001 Translation of the Bible

A free modern translation of the Bible from the Greek Septuagint, and Greek and Aramaic Christian manuscripts.
2001translation.org 2001translation.org
1 In the beginning, there was the Word,The Word was with The God [Greek: ton theon],And [a] god [Greek: theos] was the Word.2 This one was with The God in the beginning, 3 Everything, by his hand, was made,Without him, not a single thing was made.

John 8:58
NSB(i) 58 Jesus said: »I tell you the truth, I existed before Abraham was born!« (Ex 3:14, 15)

Colossians 1:15
He who is the image of The Unseen God and is The Firstborn of all creation. Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Colossians 1:15
NSB(i) 15 He is the image (likeness) (representation) of the invisible God. He is the firstborn (Greek: prototokos: childbirth, offspring) of all creation.
 
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TheLightWithin

Thread 'Two Powers in Heaven'

Conversation we were having in another thread made me want to address a pre-Christian idea from earlier Judaism about there being two powers in Heaven
The original thread is called - I converted to Jehovah's Witnesses (this is the thread)

The idea may later have been regarded as a "heresy" in Judaism but apparently had acceptance for a time
Dr Michael Heiser was a very good Bible scholar and a committed believer Two Powers in Heaven - Dr. Michael Heiser

Two powers in Heaven: meaning & 8 verses examined | CsV This page alludes to the concept. Elsewhere on the site they...

Two Powers in Heaven
 
- Jesus is The Mighty God with The Almighty God before the world was. Jesus did not say he was the Almighty or the Most High.
- man is made in our image...
- all things are created through Jesus.
- the Son can do nothing of Himself.
- The Father glorifies the Son before the world was.
- Jesus is The Most High's first-begotten first-born First-Son in the heavens.
- Jesus says the authority and power comes from his Father, who Jesus calls God.
- He who is the image of The Unseen God and is The Firstborn of all creation. Aramaic Bible in Plain English Col. 1:15

Summary: Jesus is God's first born Son [ the first Angel ] of all creation in the heavens before the world was, after that Jesus by his Fathers direction and power created all other things everywhere, Jesus if you read the gospels gives his Father the credit for most everything.
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Jesus is King, Mighty God & God's Son Jn.1:1-3, Lk.1:32-33, Jn 10:34-36, Jn. 17:3,
1 Peter 1:3, Eph. 1:3, Rom. 15:6, Eph. 1:17, Jn. 20:17, 1Cor. 8:6, Jn. 5:19, Jn. 14:10, Jn. 8:28,
Matt. 16:16-17 Shouldn't we believe all the scriptures, to get a more complete understanding?
 
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TheLightWithin said:
TheLightWithin

Thread 'Two Powers in Heaven'

Conversation we were having in another thread made me want to address a pre-Christian idea from earlier Judaism about there being two powers in Heaven
The original thread is called - I converted to Jehovah's Witnesses (this is the thread)

The idea may later have been regarded as a "heresy" in Judaism but apparently had acceptance for a time
Dr Michael Heiser was a very good Bible scholar and a committed believer Two Powers in Heaven - Dr. Michael Heiser

Two powers in Heaven: meaning & 8 verses examined | CsV This page alludes to the concept. Elsewhere on the site they...

Two Powers in Heaven
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Hmmm..... I think maybe people cannot see the threads that are posted in the general Abrahamic area...and not under one of the three religions represented... but I put it there because it is pertinent to both Judaism and Christianity.
 
Caritas said in the opening post: “Ask me anything about my beliefs, if you want
I will do my best to answer”


Hi Caritas. I admit that I have always been more interested in historical and ancient Christianity more than the later, more “modern” Christian movements and so know little about the Jehovahs Witness Movement. Thank you for being willing to answer questions.


I have been talking with a Jehovahs Witness friend who mentioned that the Jehovahs Witness theology concerning death is that the intelligence and emotions and memories within an individual resides in the physical brain (as opposed to residing in an intelligent spirit within the body), and that, upon death and the complete decomposition of the body, nothing, (absolutely nothing) is left of that individuals prior intelligence, emotions and cognizance, other than memories of that person retained by others.

Is this correct?
 
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