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Correction. There is no hostility involved. We simply love them to death.Brian said:
Sects among the Ummah
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I think I see what you are saying. The founders of the Faith grew up in Shi'a society. But they claimed to bring a new revelation. Would you say that Christianity was a Jewish sect? Jesus grew up in Jewish society and claimed to bring a new revelation, much the same way that the Bab and Baha'u'llah claim to bring a new revelation.
Wolfgang
ermmm no...
firstly i think we should destinquish between chrisitanity and the religion of Isa/Yehoshua (PBUH) as there is vast difference.. By religion i mean the name of the followers because obviously they are muslims =P
but i mean we should seperate pauline from ebionite
which are you arguing?
In my eyes Christianity IS a judaic sect that got far too out of hand..
(1) no where in the torah is the son of god coming.. Only the lineage of david.
(2) "think not that i come to destroy the law" Matthew 5:17/19
(3) Christianity in its current form didnt happen till paul thusly
(4) Making it vastly different to babism and to Baha'u'llah who where respectively self proclaimed prophets and a self procalimed DEVINE prophet.
(5) Baha'u'llah called himself a reincarnate of Isa ( no other prophet has said something of this scale and we know isa's second coming isnt true)
(6) isa denied divinity unlike Baha'u'llah (we can use either quran or injeel to prove this)
(7) Jesus never said he brought new revalation only was he giving interpreation to old law
(8) Baha'u'llah's prophecy was suspect as he was a babi follower who was alive at the time he was.. he knew what he said would bring. whilst Yehoshua was a rabbi
(9) The quran is a midquel by allah (swt) putting right the events which have been lost.
so whatever your stance on seal of the prophets why is there need for new faith when allah (swt) has proven the quran will be and has been untouched?
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sorry about the long reply
right
if the original religion that was followed by jesus' pbuh followers stood today, indeed why would there have been a need for a new revelation.
next. prophet calling you to be more religious vs trinity son of god and faith over actions
think about it
Nothing has been lost from the quran as
A) the oldest version we have only contain punctuation difference..
b) The great shcism happened shortly after the death of mohammad Pbuh therefore neither would agree in a difference in the Quran.
c) the difference in creed in islam comes from oral law
Compare this with the battle of pauline vs ebionite doctrines as sunni shia and quranite still exist today..
on another note brother i dont think you can mention bahais and saying Quran is incomplete in the same post.
the revelation of mohammad pbuh was never new teachings because a central tennet of quran is that new laws where written into the old books to benfit people.. as you quite rightly say..
but still remains other than qibla and inheritance laws i cant really think of whats different.. (remember your not talking to a asunni or a shia, so i know where your coming from)
The whole impact of phropcey welllll... like if someone says a new phrophet is coming and hes got loads of followers after his death, then it was pretty much a no brainer that one of em was gonna say it.
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if the original religion that was followed by jesus' pbuh followers stood today, indeed why would there have been a need for a new revelation.
next. prophet calling you to be more religious vs trinity son of god and faith over actions
think about it
Nothing has been lost from the quran as
A) the oldest version we have only contain punctuation difference..
b) The great shcism happened shortly after the death of mohammad Pbuh therefore neither would agree in a difference in the Quran.
c) the difference in creed in islam comes from oral law
Compare this with the battle of pauline vs ebionite doctrines as sunni shia and quranite still exist today..
on another note brother i dont think you can mention bahais and saying Quran is incomplete in the same post.
the revelation of mohammad pbuh was never new teachings because a central tennet of quran is that new laws where written into the old books to benfit people.. as you quite rightly say..
but still remains other than qibla and inheritance laws i cant really think of whats different.. (remember your not talking to a asunni or a shia, so i know where your coming from)
The whole impact of phropcey welllll... like if someone says a new phrophet is coming and hes got loads of followers after his death, then it was pretty much a no brainer that one of em was gonna say it.
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I have to admit, it is difficult for me to follow a fair amount of what you are saying. I do see that you have not mentioned several of the claims you made regarding the founders of the Baha'i Faith that I asked for clarification on.
I think I am just going to let this one be for now. But I would reccomend you examine several sources on the Baha'i faith as I do not think the information you currently have is entirely accurate.
Try the following : Baha'i Explorer or check wikipedia.
Peace!
Wolfgang