Francis king
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however, Babylon can be a metaphor for many things...
some suggest Bablyon is Isis or Diana, and we, the peole, are being warned that Goddess worship is "evil", but some, like myself, suggest that Babylon is the Catholic church herself...
ask yourself this... what colour robes does the whore of Bablyon wear?
she wears purple and red. Now, ask yourself, what do purple and red represent?
well, look to the vatican. All those men in their red robes.... mm. And purple? Purple, in the old days, was the hardest colour to produce, and cost a lot of money. Peasants couldn't wear purple, as they couldn't afford it. So, who wore purple? Nobility. Kings, specifically.
Nor Isis or Diana ever wore purple. And they never wore red either. In fact, I can't think of many goddesses that do or did. For... Goddesses are not evil things...
we have fecund maidens of the corn, we have voluptuous mothers with pendulous breats full of milk, we have the lady huntress in green, the lady of the starry night clad in a velvet blue star spangled cloak, we have the goddess who spins, and weaves, and cooks, and keeps the home together, the goddess whose bravery saves the kingdom...
heroes for little girls before the days of Vogue...
pagan systems are not satanic- far from it... sure, there are gods like Pan who, with his horns appears to be a demon- yet he is not... Isis herself wears a horned diadem, yet she is hardly Satan...
to call all pagan systems satanic is to expose one's lack of understanding of paganism...
rather than, as you say, the church's trinity be adopted by the pagans I know it was the other way round- in celtic and norse traditions a trinity was also very important- and this was way before xtianity was ever seen in these lands...
the pagan trinity is not- god, jesus, mary, but past, future and present, or the goddess herself, three women in one, the maiden the mother and the crone... is this evil? then by subtle inference, all women are evil...
woo! back to the church again!
your egyptian Goddess has become a goddess in much the same way as Jesus himself became a god- by the decision of the real whore of Bablyon- the church herself...
check out your catholic history- jesus wasn't always considered a God. In fact, at the beginning, he was considered a man. His mother, Mary was a woman. It was only later did the bishops decide that Jesus was not just Man, and not just God, but a curious mixture of both...
after Jesus' status had been decided, then they went onto Mary, and hers. Originally Mary then, as the womb of God, was revered, but some people didn't like that, and so they demoted Mary, and relegated her from the pantheon. Mary herself was then barred access to heaven (technically, via the popes) until around 1956- when she became ascended... if you don't believe me, check out the church... all of the above is the reason why we have differences in the different "strains" of Catholicism- such as orthodox Grk and Russian, etc...
now... the clever scholar will realise this...
as christianity spread, the leaders decided it would be easier for people to make the switch over to christianity IF the new religion looked like the old- so various festivals were invented which were alike those which came before- easter, christmas, halloween... rather than destroy the old gods, the new gods looked a little like the old ones- and then, when the people were comfortable, things began to change-
no longer could we pray to the goddess, as there was no longer a goddess...
...there has been a rise in what you term Marian worship globally, in the past 200 years, but for a lot of catholics- myself included, Mary has always been an important part of the faith and will remain so, for a few simple reasons...
most of the people who comprise the faithful are not theologians, and many of them are women.
you see, we could pray to jesus, but we are told we can't pray to him for worldly things... we can offer him love and devotion, and that's it... we can't go to Jehovah, as he's a cold authoritarian, and no matter what we do we'll never be good enough... so, who's left?
well, what about Our Lady?
she's kind, she's a mum, she knows what it's like to have her heart broken, watch her son die, she knows what it's like to nurture a precious life, and now she's been entered into heaven she will intercede for us, she will speak to her son for us...
what's so bad about that? How is that satanic?
of course yes, the staunch theologians will tell us that- Mary is not Jesus... Mary has no power, no merit. If this is the case then Mary just a body that God raped and then cast aside. Do you want to worship a God like that?
If Jesus is real, and in the heavens, then why would he not want his mother with him? If he is a powerful being, then surely she would become so too, by virtue of his position?
these are questions the church has tried to answer over the years, and it's all there, in black and white... what the church had decided.
Unfortunately for the church, the Goddess lives on. Whether she appears as Mary, an innocent virgin, or as Bablyon the scarlet clad whore, she is there.
Unfortunately for the church, women come in more varieties than simply "virgin" and "whore", and thankfully those women who cannot find their expression within catholicism are able now to worship whoever they like...
result..!
have just realised this is a reply to an old thread, but still... am posting anyway...
some suggest Bablyon is Isis or Diana, and we, the peole, are being warned that Goddess worship is "evil", but some, like myself, suggest that Babylon is the Catholic church herself...
ask yourself this... what colour robes does the whore of Bablyon wear?
she wears purple and red. Now, ask yourself, what do purple and red represent?
well, look to the vatican. All those men in their red robes.... mm. And purple? Purple, in the old days, was the hardest colour to produce, and cost a lot of money. Peasants couldn't wear purple, as they couldn't afford it. So, who wore purple? Nobility. Kings, specifically.
Nor Isis or Diana ever wore purple. And they never wore red either. In fact, I can't think of many goddesses that do or did. For... Goddesses are not evil things...
we have fecund maidens of the corn, we have voluptuous mothers with pendulous breats full of milk, we have the lady huntress in green, the lady of the starry night clad in a velvet blue star spangled cloak, we have the goddess who spins, and weaves, and cooks, and keeps the home together, the goddess whose bravery saves the kingdom...
heroes for little girls before the days of Vogue...
pagan systems are not satanic- far from it... sure, there are gods like Pan who, with his horns appears to be a demon- yet he is not... Isis herself wears a horned diadem, yet she is hardly Satan...
to call all pagan systems satanic is to expose one's lack of understanding of paganism...
rather than, as you say, the church's trinity be adopted by the pagans I know it was the other way round- in celtic and norse traditions a trinity was also very important- and this was way before xtianity was ever seen in these lands...
the pagan trinity is not- god, jesus, mary, but past, future and present, or the goddess herself, three women in one, the maiden the mother and the crone... is this evil? then by subtle inference, all women are evil...
woo! back to the church again!
your egyptian Goddess has become a goddess in much the same way as Jesus himself became a god- by the decision of the real whore of Bablyon- the church herself...
check out your catholic history- jesus wasn't always considered a God. In fact, at the beginning, he was considered a man. His mother, Mary was a woman. It was only later did the bishops decide that Jesus was not just Man, and not just God, but a curious mixture of both...
after Jesus' status had been decided, then they went onto Mary, and hers. Originally Mary then, as the womb of God, was revered, but some people didn't like that, and so they demoted Mary, and relegated her from the pantheon. Mary herself was then barred access to heaven (technically, via the popes) until around 1956- when she became ascended... if you don't believe me, check out the church... all of the above is the reason why we have differences in the different "strains" of Catholicism- such as orthodox Grk and Russian, etc...
now... the clever scholar will realise this...
as christianity spread, the leaders decided it would be easier for people to make the switch over to christianity IF the new religion looked like the old- so various festivals were invented which were alike those which came before- easter, christmas, halloween... rather than destroy the old gods, the new gods looked a little like the old ones- and then, when the people were comfortable, things began to change-
no longer could we pray to the goddess, as there was no longer a goddess...
...there has been a rise in what you term Marian worship globally, in the past 200 years, but for a lot of catholics- myself included, Mary has always been an important part of the faith and will remain so, for a few simple reasons...
most of the people who comprise the faithful are not theologians, and many of them are women.
you see, we could pray to jesus, but we are told we can't pray to him for worldly things... we can offer him love and devotion, and that's it... we can't go to Jehovah, as he's a cold authoritarian, and no matter what we do we'll never be good enough... so, who's left?
well, what about Our Lady?
she's kind, she's a mum, she knows what it's like to have her heart broken, watch her son die, she knows what it's like to nurture a precious life, and now she's been entered into heaven she will intercede for us, she will speak to her son for us...
what's so bad about that? How is that satanic?
of course yes, the staunch theologians will tell us that- Mary is not Jesus... Mary has no power, no merit. If this is the case then Mary just a body that God raped and then cast aside. Do you want to worship a God like that?
If Jesus is real, and in the heavens, then why would he not want his mother with him? If he is a powerful being, then surely she would become so too, by virtue of his position?
these are questions the church has tried to answer over the years, and it's all there, in black and white... what the church had decided.
Unfortunately for the church, the Goddess lives on. Whether she appears as Mary, an innocent virgin, or as Bablyon the scarlet clad whore, she is there.
Unfortunately for the church, women come in more varieties than simply "virgin" and "whore", and thankfully those women who cannot find their expression within catholicism are able now to worship whoever they like...
result..!
have just realised this is a reply to an old thread, but still... am posting anyway...
