Spirituality within the context of Philosophy

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How do you know that? Fencing in spirit to an ONLY way is not the way of liberation, is it? Sound more like imprisonment, to me.

Imprisoned where? In one's own mind?

If mind transplants could be done for criminals ---we could release them and raistheir taxes into the bargain, No?

When you said "Fencing in spirit" ---I thought you were gonna talk of "Action in Motion as Meditation (ala, Zen)".

I did NOT include "Liberation" ---that's like me suggesting:
"Go to College and earn a Higher Degree . . . so that you will never have to work again in your life"

What I said was that the Internet (and the self-help books) is filled with arm-chair poetry passed off as Enlightened Mantra Recitation ---ESPECIALLY AS DONE by the novice Advaita-Monists philosophers.

Stop the notion of One-ness-ism chants ---and return to YOGA BASICS ---Meditation!

In the world of Yoga, Zen, Taoism ---even if it would be called by any other name, it would still be known as:

Old School Silent Mantra Meditation.

What else does one think the Lotus-Position is for?
 

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Imprisoned where? In one's own mind?

If mind transplants could be done for criminals ---we could release them and raistheir taxes into the bargain, No?

When you said "Fencing in spirit" ---I thought you were gonna talk of "Action in Motion as Meditation (ala, Zen)".

I did NOT include "Liberation" ---that's like me suggesting:
"Go to College and earn a Higher Degree . . . so that you will never have to work again in your life"

What I said was that the Internet (and the self-help books) is filled with arm-chair poetry passed off as Enlightened Mantra Recitation ---ESPECIALLY AS DONE by the novice Advaita-Monists philosophers.

Stop the notion of One-ness-ism chants ---and return to YOGA BASICS ---Meditation!

In the world of Yoga, Zen, Taoism ---even if it would be called by any other name, it would still be known as:

Old School Silent Mantra Meditation.

What else does one think the Lotus-Position is for?

Oh gee wiz! How many mundane ways are there to communicate? Let's see, there's speaking, writing, hand signals, drawing a picture, sculpture, smoke signals, playing charades, leaving footprints, body language, marking your territory via scent signals, putting up fences, telegraph, putting up arrows for directions, and a whole lot more that might come to mind.

Why must mysticism be fenced in to only one method?
 

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How do you know that? Fencing in spirit to an ONLY way is not the way of liberation, is it? Sound more like imprisonment, to me.

Let's face [unless, you are joking, so as to provoke a response] ---ya'll ain't hip nor cool nor aware of the common concensus:

behold the "Glitterradi" of the movers and shakers of the working class artists that entertained the daily workers of the world for decades:

What cause could summon that elusive event, a more-or-less Beatles reunion?
Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr Reunite at Radio City on April 4, 2009


http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/paul-mccartney-ringo-starr-reunite-at-radio-city/

Half a Beatles reunion, or some approximation of it, took place Saturday night at “Change Begins Within,” a benefit concert at Radio City Music Hall for the David Lynch Foundation.
Paul McCartney was headlining; Ringo Starr was also on the bill, and yes, after letting the anticipation build, the two surviving Beatles did perform together, as they did in 2002 for a memorial after the death of George Harrison.

After an exuberant set of songs from the Beatles, Wings and his solo albums, with video clips full of Beatles footage, Mr. McCartney said, “At this point we would like to introduce somebody to you who you know, you’ve heard his name. He’s going to come out here and play you a little song this joyful night. Ladies and gentlemen: Billy Shears!”

And just as on “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band,” there was Mr. Starr to sing “With a Little Help From My Friends,” sharing a microphone with Mr. McCartney during the song and embraces afterward.

It had been clear something was up when Mr. McCartney’s band appeared onstage with a second, empty drum kit set up. And Mr. Starr, who had sung “Yellow Submarine” and “Boys” during his own set, wasn’t done after the one song.

As the concert’s entire lineup–including Donovan, Sheryl Crow, Eddie Vedder, Moby, Bettye LaVette, Ben Harper and Mike Love (from the Beach Boys)–filled the stage, Mr. Starr took his place at the second drum kit. And Mr. McCartney unveiled a song that could suprise even Beatles fanatics: “Cosmically Conscious,” an excerpt of which appeared as a hidden track on his 1993 album “Off the Ground.”

Mr. McCartney explained that he wrote it during the Beatles’ 1968 sojourn to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi‘s ashram in Rishikesh, India for intense meditation study; two other performers at the concert, Donovan and the flutist Paul Horn, were also there. “Maharishi would always say that he wanted everyone to be cosmically conscious and he’d do his little giggle.” Mr. McCartney reminisced onstage. “He’d also say, ‘It’s such a joy.’”

Afterward, Mr. Starr (who was wearing a Krishna T-shirt) flashed two-handed peace signs, jokingly upstaging Mr. McCartney, who upstaged him in return before the stage dissolved into rounds of all-star hugs.
What cause could summon that elusive event, a more-or-less Beatles reunion?
Peace, human rights, poverty, AIDS, the environment?
Well, no.

The David Lynch Foundation supports teaching Transcendental Meditation to a million students in their schools. “Every child should have one class period a day to dive within himself,” reads the manifesto at davidlynchfoundation.org.

“This is the way to save the coming generation.”
Although the Beatles’ 1968 trip to Rishikesh ended in disarray, Mr. Starr and Mr. McCartney prized their meditation mantras and have said they continue to use them.

The concert was full of testimonials to Transcendental Meditation–from Mr. Lynch, Laura Dern, Jerry Seinfeld and Howard Stern as well as the musicians–along with songs about spiritual quests and nostalgia for the 1960’s and the Beatles in particular.

Ms. Crow sang George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord,” and Mr. McCartney’s set included his elegy for John Lennon, “Here Today.”

No pre-announced reunion could live up to the Beatles’ legacy, so Mr. McCartney and Mr. Starr treated it as light-heartedly as they could: a few songs by old bandmates as mementos of vivid, bygone times.
 

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Let's face [unless, you are joking, so as to provoke a response] ---ya'll ain't hip nor cool nor aware of the common concensus:

behold the "Glitterradi" of the movers and shakers of the working class artists that entertained the daily workers of the world for decades:

What cause could summon that elusive event, a more-or-less Beatles reunion?
Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr Reunite at Radio City on April 4, 2009


http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/paul-mccartney-ringo-starr-reunite-at-radio-city/

Half a Beatles reunion, or some approximation of it, took place Saturday night at “Change Begins Within,” a benefit concert at Radio City Music Hall for the David Lynch Foundation.
Paul McCartney was headlining; Ringo Starr was also on the bill, and yes, after letting the anticipation build, the two surviving Beatles did perform together, as they did in 2002 for a memorial after the death of George Harrison.

After an exuberant set of songs from the Beatles, Wings and his solo albums, with video clips full of Beatles footage, Mr. McCartney said, “At this point we would like to introduce somebody to you who you know, you’ve heard his name. He’s going to come out here and play you a little song this joyful night. Ladies and gentlemen: Billy Shears!”

And just as on “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band,” there was Mr. Starr to sing “With a Little Help From My Friends,” sharing a microphone with Mr. McCartney during the song and embraces afterward.

It had been clear something was up when Mr. McCartney’s band appeared onstage with a second, empty drum kit set up. And Mr. Starr, who had sung “Yellow Submarine” and “Boys” during his own set, wasn’t done after the one song.

As the concert’s entire lineup–including Donovan, Sheryl Crow, Eddie Vedder, Moby, Bettye LaVette, Ben Harper and Mike Love (from the Beach Boys)–filled the stage, Mr. Starr took his place at the second drum kit. And Mr. McCartney unveiled a song that could suprise even Beatles fanatics: “Cosmically Conscious,” an excerpt of which appeared as a hidden track on his 1993 album “Off the Ground.”

Mr. McCartney explained that he wrote it during the Beatles’ 1968 sojourn to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi‘s ashram in Rishikesh, India for intense meditation study; two other performers at the concert, Donovan and the flutist Paul Horn, were also there. “Maharishi would always say that he wanted everyone to be cosmically conscious and he’d do his little giggle.” Mr. McCartney reminisced onstage. “He’d also say, ‘It’s such a joy.’”

Afterward, Mr. Starr (who was wearing a Krishna T-shirt) flashed two-handed peace signs, jokingly upstaging Mr. McCartney, who upstaged him in return before the stage dissolved into rounds of all-star hugs.
What cause could summon that elusive event, a more-or-less Beatles reunion?
Peace, human rights, poverty, AIDS, the environment?
Well, no.

The David Lynch Foundation supports teaching Transcendental Meditation to a million students in their schools. “Every child should have one class period a day to dive within himself,” reads the manifesto at davidlynchfoundation.org.

“This is the way to save the coming generation.”
Although the Beatles’ 1968 trip to Rishikesh ended in disarray, Mr. Starr and Mr. McCartney prized their meditation mantras and have said they continue to use them.

The concert was full of testimonials to Transcendental Meditation–from Mr. Lynch, Laura Dern, Jerry Seinfeld and Howard Stern as well as the musicians–along with songs about spiritual quests and nostalgia for the 1960’s and the Beatles in particular.

Ms. Crow sang George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord,” and Mr. McCartney’s set included his elegy for John Lennon, “Here Today.”

No pre-announced reunion could live up to the Beatles’ legacy, so Mr. McCartney and Mr. Starr treated it as light-heartedly as they could: a few songs by old bandmates as mementos of vivid, bygone times.

This is not evidence that TM has a monopoly on mysticism!
 

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Why must mysticism be fenced in to only one method?

Who spoke of Mysticism?

Is there Mysticism lying around somewhere to call your own?

Learn the Basics ---then speak.

Meditation is a very very specific thing.

It is an absolutely specific Thing.

Meditation as I refer to it is not a "Thinking" process.

It's for do-ers movers and shakers.

Otherwise, factory assembly lines will be set up to acclimate the common men to start them on the track to Proper old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation ---even if it takes life times to get around to.
 

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Who spoke of Mysticism?

Is there Mysticism lying around somewhere to call your own?

Umm, you did, here:
Any and all mystic insights & hightened preceptions ---are gained ONLY through Classic Silent Mantra Meditation.


Learn the Basics ---then speak.

Meditation is a very very specific thing.

It is an absolutely specific Thing.

Meditation as I refer to it is not a "Thinking" process.

It's for do-ers movers and shakers.

Otherwise, factory assembly lines will be set up to acclimate the common men to start them on the track to Proper old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation ---even if it takes life times to get around to.
Alrighty, Mr "Expert." ;)
 

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This is not evidence that TM has a monopoly on mysticism!


What is the point of this pointless proclamation?

TM has no monopoly on Proper old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

Monsato does have it on most Seeds, though.

Proper old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation is the path inward to experience one's own autonomy.

Proper old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation is free, done on owns own recognisance, in search of one's own silent presnce of being and soul.

What is the problem here?

Who is being trampled upon here?

Sales Territory issue?
 

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Umm, you did, here:

Alrighty, Mr "Expert." ;)


I am Not an expert. No expertise is required.

It's the "BASICS".

It's the "ABC's" of Yoga.

It's the "ABC's" of the repeated Chant & Public Proclaimation, "All-is-One".

If one practices old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation ---they are praying, chanting, bringing peace, resting the body ---all at the same time.

It's a good bargain for the time & energy otherwise spent growing old and ill.

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Mysticism ~ Mystic insights ... I meant "excuses for or token experiences" that allow one to consider that they have had a Mystical experience. Whereas, Mysticism is realm of interest by intellectuals.

It's Mystic for Olympians to jump and run and speed along at top speeds with finess ---it is far beyond most people's grasp.

Meditation as I refer to it, removes all pretences of prowess and outer skills ---leaving the seeker to find NOTHING BUT HIMSELF.

Meditation is about cleaning dust off the Mirror of that is the Soul.

So Mysticism as per meditation is Only for "Self-realisation" in contradistinction to gaining stuff & acquistions.

Meditation is about obtaing , 'atma-rama' status. 'Atma-rama' is self-satisfaction.

It's all in the Gita. I suggest taking time to investigate this, and prove it for one's self.


Oh, and BTW:
Come on! don't be mad at me. I don't know anything other way of responding.

Help.
 

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I am Not an expert. No expertise is required.

It's the "BASICS".

It's the "ABC's" of Yoga.

It's the "ABC's" of the repeated Chant & Public Proclaimation, "All-is-One".

If one practices old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation ---they are praying, chanting, bringing peace, resting the body ---all at the same time.

It's a good bargain for the time & energy otherwise spent growing old and ill.

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Ahh, so you DO admit that there might be other ways?

Oh, and BTW:
Come on! don't be mad at me. I don't know anything other way of responding.

Help.
LOL! Mad? ROFLMAO!
 

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Ahh, so you DO admit that there might be other ways?

Yes "Other ways".

The World is filled with "Other ways".

Each sporting event requires specific "Other ways" of training.

Look at all the Kung-Fu Schools.

Mystic Siddhis (mystic attainments) each require different paths ---the common denouminator is Meditation of Presence minus the distractions--- all the time cultivating inner focus and outer application simultaneously.

The common denouminator is what I have been speaking of.
The elementary lessons of Yoga is old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

TM is old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

IMO, it's enough to know this as a fact ---without venturing to prove it.
Proving it is left up to the taster.
 

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Yes "Other ways".

The World is filled with "Other ways".

Each sporting event requires specific "Other ways" of training.

Look at all the Kung-Fu Schools.

Mystic Siddhis (mystic attainments) each require different paths ---the common denouminator is Meditation of Presence minus the distractions--- all the time cultivating inner focus and outer application simultaneously.

The common denouminator is what I have been speaking of.
The elementary lessons of Yoga is old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

TM is old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

IMO, it's enough to know this as a fact ---without venturing to prove it.
Proving it is left up to the taster.

While I have nothing against sitting meditation, I'm pretty sure that it's not the ONLY way.
 

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While I have nothing against sitting meditation, I'm pretty sure that it's not the ONLY way.

Okay if I say?:

Meditation can be done in many other different ways other than just, old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

But other such applications of the term Meditation ---are similar & based upon, but different, from old-time Sitting Mantra Meditation.

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BTW, can anything be explained or conveyed . . . without finishing the sentence?

IE:
If you want to make a lot of money with no work, then simply mdsd lkashd sas jdhj.....................

I'm just wondering.
 

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Sound is narrow band of vibrations/frequencies within the larger/broader band of vibrations/frequencies called sonics.
I see you're going to be slightly difficult. ;)
sound (sound)n.1. a. Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.
b. Transmitted vibrations of any frequency.

In other words, sound relies on hearing.
"OM" maybe the sound of Universe, however, in using the word "sound" then what is meant that Universe creations a very narrow band of vibrations/frequencies that called sound that is associated only with what air-molecules hitting and entering the human ear.
Sound does not solely rely on the human ear to be sound, animals hear sounds way above and below our threshold.

OM: It has been called the Word in the Judeo-Christian Bible, Hindu Scriptures call it Naad and Shruti, Persian scriptures Sraosha, Kalma in Muslim scriptures, ‘the Sonorous Light' in Buddhism, Naam or Shabd by the Sikhs, in Patanjali Yoga Darshan, the God/dess Ishwara is a Being expressed by this original vibration (Pranav) and Madam Helen Blavatsky and the Theosophists call it ‘the Voice of Silence'.
The Universe, or least parts of the Universe, do produce sonic vibrations/frequencies that are not sound ex sonics that dogs here, or dolphins or bats or whales.
Your use of the word Sonics is misused.
son·ic (s
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1. Of or relating to audible sound: a sonic wave.
So, you see the definition of Sonics is sound that is audible, meaning there is sound that is not audible to us or any other living thing we know about.

All is indeed one, one finite Universe via mass-attraction aka gravity, minimally. Charged particles, like gravity, are not limited by distance.
I don't believe for a moment that All is One. We exist in an Objective Universe (the physical one) and a Subjective Universe (the non-physical one). We may be Quantumly one big fuzz ball of molecular soup, but our Subjective Universes are quite defined and unique, separate and purely personal.
 

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Etu, my comments are not in error but your first quote here is in error and self contradictory. That alone should set of some intellectual truth bells with you.

1a places a limit on the narrow band of sound--- a subset of sonics ---and the 1b states "vibrations of any frequency" being associated with "sound" specifically.
Again, you might want to take this up with the Oxford Dictionary because that is where my definitions come from.

That is incorrect and you or anyone should be able to clearly see the contradictions here.
When reading any dictionary, one is given several defining aspects of the word.

There is a much broader range mathematical frequencies associated with EMRadiation, than of sonics and its much narrower sub-set of sound. This is well known and documented facts and you apparrently have none done the sufficient research to clarify these truths.
I am fully aware of the full spectrum of frequency, as well as the science of acoustics and Musicology.

If you don't believe All-Is-One--- i.e. connected/related within our finite Universe ---then you lack understanding of mass-attractive gravity abililty to operate at any distance.
It is not I that lack comprehension in this field it is you, trust me. I stand behind what I stated (even if you misquote and misunderstand what I said, as you have).

These are the facts of truth that are well known and well documented. I think you need to broaden your search in these regards to get the facts on both topics and especially watch out for one statement following another that is contradictory to the previous or vice versa.
I think you need to read correctly and spell correctly, this is only my initial observations of you . . . more to come, I'm sure.
 

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It's all cool OS :D
I enjoy discussing this stuff, it keeps me sharp.

Now, since we've been discussing sound at only the physical limits . . . what could possibly happen in the spiritual realm?
Is our soul/spirit/Higher Self (whatever you may call it) capable of extended hearing and sight? Will there be a vast spectrum of colors seen that we are blind to while in the physical form? Incredible depths of sound that we will be able to hear?

Hmmm?
 

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I error as whether sound is

subset of sonic,
or
sonic is subset of sound.
the two used inter-change-ably so often.

I believed it was an error for humans to equate all vibrations/frequencies--- i.e. specifically EMRadiation background photons ---

with with sound/sonic.

dictionary clear to Bhatjan.


Again let me repeat, let's omit the term "Sonics" ---and get on with the "Symetry" that is so closely linked to "vibrations/frequencies".

Let's never mind for now about the definition of Sonics ---I have said this several times.

Now can we be on the same page? And BTW, can we now get back to and link this it to the OP?

EM expresses my thoughts exactly:

It's all cool OS :D
I enjoy discussing this stuff, it keeps me sharp.

Now, since we've been discussing sound at only the physical limits . . . what could possibly happen in the spiritual realm?
Is our soul/spirit/Higher Self (whatever you may call it) capable of extended hearing and sight? Will there be a vast spectrum of colors seen that we are blind to while in the physical form? Incredible depths of sound that we will be able to hear?

Hmmm?
 

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Funny, the term sound is so constricted. Bats use sonar (beyond our hearing) and elephants use sub-sonics (so low we cannot hear). If one "heard" (had aural sensations) in response to the freqencies of lightwaves, would it be "sound"? Similarly, would it be "sonics"?
 

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"beyond our hearing" ergo ultra and infra sound/sonics/sonar.

So . . . you are NOT talking about "SONICS"?

You are talking about something other than "SONICS"?

Did you say "Sonics" are different from what you are talking about? That is what I gathered from you ---That you are NOT talking about "SONICS" ---but you still fill your posts with the word "SONICS".

Do you notice this?

Is it "SONICS"?

Or is it "NO SONICS"?

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So far I got this: It's NOT about "SONICS". Correct?
 

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Originally Posted by bhaktajan
So . . . you are NOT talking about "SONICS"?
You are talking about something other than "SONICS"?
Did you say "Sonics" are different from what you are talking about? That is what I gathered from you ---That you are NOT talking about "SONICS" ---but you still fill your posts with the word "SONICS".Do you notice this? Is it "SONICS"?Or is it "NO SONICS"?
So far I got this: It's NOT about "SONICS". Correct?


half-cocked misunderstanding everything I've stated in this thread

or was it the sacred geometry thread.

Both seem to have overlapping topics,

with sound/sonics/sonar information.

Either way, your reading comprehension skils appeaer to be lackingin regards to my comments i.e. I I certainly dunno how you got off in this seeming skewed direction below.

I.e. more hot air exhalations. imho

Rybo

Yes. My Reading skills!


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So the answer to my question Is it "SONICS"?Or is it "NO SONICS"?
[aside from the OP] is:

overlapping topics with sound/sonics/sonar ---or does it just "seem" that way?



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IMHO, your seem to be speaking of "Geo-metry". Is that correct?

Is "Geo-metry" self-generative? Is "Geo-metry" an ex-pression of e-volution striving for self-intented Anthropo-morphism?

Is "Geo-metry" a biological machine that plateaus at Humans, and now, we humans pro-duce machines to our busi-ness, thus freeing us up to do . . . other occupations?


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Funny thing is:
I never thought of "hot air exhalations" ---you may be spot on on this one.
 
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