to walk freely in Gyd's house

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  1. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    the spiritual (in 58 words)


    this is written by the E-author of the Torah (the Elohist)

    while (overall) i prefer the J-author (the Yahwist)
    her or his very-fluid & slyly ironic storytelling
    (the distancing wit of a secular scribe , not a priest)
    really high-caliber narrative literature

    the narrative style of the Elohist is more plodding
    heavy , the self-conscious story-production of an
    all-too-serious Mushite priestess or priest

    but the Elohist has her or his moments
    the high-drama of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac (Genesis 22) , & though
    both J & E write a burning-bush sequence (Exodus 3) , the epiphany-moment
    the cathartic "i am who i am" (Exodus 3:14) is the Elohist's contribution
    (this is the stuff of Sophocles or Shakespeare)
    the Elohist knows how to smith-words to raise-the-stakes of a sequence
    & construct a powerful dramatic scene , when called-upon
    (this priest would have made a great playwright ! )

    & Yahweh's speech , above
    (ostensibly to chastise Aaron & Miriam
    for criticizing Moses' choice of wife) is , dramatically
    a searing exposition of Yahweh's love for Moses


    but to us modern seekers
    this speech means much much more

    to walk freely in Gyd's house , this
    (however a seeker might picture it) is
    the ultimate spiritual experience

    to converse (unmediated) with the Divine

  2. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    creature of flesh , creature of spirit


    what we call "life"
    is a particular kind of delusion

    u or i or the spider-climbing-the-bathroom-wall
    is just a well-organized combine of
    mechanical & chemical & electrical processes

    what "organizes this combine" , the ancient world
    wants to believe , is spirit

    "chi" (or masculine potency) in China , or
    "prajna" (or analytical acuity) in India , or
    "pneuma" (or wit or life-force) in Greece , or
    "ruach" (or breeze or breath-of-life) in Judea

    spirit is the enemy of "fate" , enemy of pessimistic gloom
    spirit is injected into the biological-combine to give it life , &
    when spirit is removed , life goes away (hence "death")
    (or so it is thought
    a creditable delusion with a catchy pre-scientific logic to it , but
    this is not how biology actually works , no
    what life is , is a closed feedback-system
    a discrete ecosystem capable of making decisions for the system's own benefit)

    if u are looking for (scientifically verifiable) truth about "life"
    spirit is pure delusion

    if u are a seeker of meaning ...


    Paul of Tarsus is using the word "spirit"
    in 2 different senses , here

    spirit-within the human-being (to Paul of Tarsus) is both
    the Greek sense of spirit (pneuma) as the "life-force" , &
    the Hebrew sense of spirit ("ruach") as "breath-of-life"

    by spirit-of-Gyd , Paul of Tarsus is referring to something
    brand-new , totally unprecedented in the ancient (& early-modern) world


    due to selective-breeding of animals & cross-pollinating of grains & of fruit-trees
    the Mesopotamians (& Israelites) know a thing-or-two about genetics

    their folklore traces the human-genome back to a single ancestor
    whom they call simply "Man" (Adamu , "Adam")

    (scientifically , this Semitic assumption is a credible hypothesis
    but most scientists now think that our homo sapiens genome
    first consolidated 40,000ya from one small migratory band of African hominids
    a gene-pool , numbering 2 or 3 dozen individuals)

    (but in Semitic folklore) Adam & his descendants (the "sons of Man") , i.e. all humans
    are creatures of flesh , are naturally-corrupt instinct-driven creatures
    (something reinforced by Hebrew theology , as Paul of Tarsus understands it)

    thus every "son of Man" needs
    Gyd's Law
    to keep her or him

    (& as reward , the bodies of the righteous will be raised-up at-the-end-of-time
    when Gyd establishes his kingdom on earth)


    a human-being is a creature of flesh , not a creature of spirit

    due to the "fall of Man" (stained by the sins of the flesh)
    Law is the only thing which keeps "Man" close to Gyd

    (this is accomplished
    via u suppressing u'r instincts
    via u following Gyd's commands instead)

    then (2000ya) ...

    Jesus the Galilean enters the picture
    & (whether real-world-fact or just startling-new-idea) , for Paul of Tarsus
    this changes everything

    to Paul of Tarsus
    Jesus walks about this corrupt world , sinless
    a creature (entirely) of spirit

    Jesus treads the planet entirely in Gyd's shoes
    (conducts himself not via the spirit-within
    his behavior is not genetically-driven
    he's not compelled to act via "life-force" or "breath-of-life"
    he's different than Adam , he is not a "child of the gene")

    Jesus conducts himself totally via the spirit-of-Gyd

    this new definition of "spirit" (this spirit-of-Gyd")
    signifies (for Paul of Tarsus) a new hope , a
    new way for a person to conduct her or his self in the world

    Law is good , but u
    no longer need Law

    u need (solely) to walk
    (not as a "son of Man" , not as a descendant of Adam
    not as a creature of flesh , but walk instead) in the spirit-of-Gyd
    (walk in Jesus' shoes)

    to follow Jesus' example , &
    tread the planet as a creature of spirit


    breaching nature's design


    how can this be realized ?
    thru grace
    the ego drops away
    & the door is open unto u

    to walk freely in Gyd's house

  3. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

    Jul 28, 2011
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    Your posts are so thoroughly enjoyable… they make me think.

    Pneuma-ruach-prajna-chi is but is not provable within the scientistic outlook. But without it all collapses to non-value and non-meaning.
    Interesting opposition. This is why I think “spiritual truth” is entirely
    Distinct from “formal operations truth”. Different thought processes, different experiences require different maps.

    “Vitalism” versus “mysticism”.
    Fueled flesh versus intuitive information.

    Must one include reward? The reward is in the action itself, in the moment itself. Redemption is the reconciliation or at-one-ment of Kosmos and Individual with the Divine. In that moment while becoming that action—there could lay the real reward.

    Yes Paul may be read this way. But while Christ is external-Spirit (from Gyd), it must also be true that Jesus is internal-Spirit (from life).
    Therefore, Christ Jesus is both “Son of Gyd” and “Son of Man”.
    Otherwise we are left where we started. The abyss between not filled.

    Yes. However the early Fathers saw the danger of Jesus being “spirit-of-Gyd” yet not “spirit-of-life”. In reality, either way works—Jesus as Divine Invasion. However, the Chalcedean “prosopon” (one-personhood of Christ Jesus), “hypostatis” (one-substance of Christ Jesus), and “inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably” (per the Confession of Chalcedon) was needed to unify the Church. We no longer have Jesus Wars (see Jenkins’ book of same name) over the issue and (IMHO) it is the product of scientistic thought, we can let hypostatis go. But we must acknowledge that it is a way.

    That is what H!/Sh! demands of us.
  4. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    to steer

    exquisite creature

    i know u still cleave to the faith (Society of Friends)
    but "spirit-within" , as u use the term (i.e. inner-light)
    while it does work for me , morally
    (as witnessing , an ego-free connection with another person
    connection beyond the emotion of compassion , beyond even empathy)

    light-within (however) does not work for me , spiritually
    (it is unsatisfying , no sense of breaching)

    & this (principally) is why i no longer attend Meeting


    to me , Paul of Tarsus is on-to-something

    in his Hebrew theology , "spirit-within" is just genetic-programming
    (innate instinctual behavior within all humans , within all sons of Adam/Man)
    just the life-force , the inner-wind which drives the human sails
    (the gasoline in our carburetor)

    the life-force leads to good-behavior & bad-behavior indiscriminately
    & here , the genuine power of the Torah displays itself by saying
    here is the line-in-the-sand
    that side is SIN , this side is RIGHTEOUSNESS

    what brings u close to Gyd , is the LAW (the line-in-the-sand
    & staying on Gyd's side of the line)

    if humans are only genetic-creatures (only animals , only creatures-of-flesh)
    then Judaic (Law-centered) theology , as Paul of Tarsus sees it
    contains the one-genuine-answer to the Big Question , of
    how to behave in the world

    but Paul of Tarsus finds himself reaching for something-more

    to him , a human is not just an (instinct-driven) "genetic creature"
    (a creature-of-flesh which need a braking-device)
    but this human is also a creature-of- ...

    but Paul of Tarsus does not have a "word"
    for what he wants to express
    so he uses the cobbled-together phrase "spirit-of-Gyd"


    u are a railroad train , speeding down the tracks

    a massive boulder lands , kerplunk !
    in the middle of the track-bed ahead of u
    (with the word "destruction" written-all-over-it)

    u can accelerate the engine & attempt to knock the boulder aside
    or u can hit the brake & hope to stop the 100-car train in-time

    but either way , u are probably screwed
    (just an act of fate , u'r "destruction" appearing inevitable)


    a human being
    (a "son of Adam/Man" , creature of flesh) is limited this way
    & Judaic theology (to Paul of Tarsus) portrays exactly this kind of 1-dimensional path
    a path , with only 2-options

    (according to Paul of Tarsus) , u may be slow to realize it
    but u are a "creature of spirit" , too ("spirit-of-Gyd")
    u are not on a railroad-track but u are on an asphalt highway
    u are not one unit in a 100-car train but u are a single-car automobile

    the boulder lands on the highway in front of u , & yes
    u can accelerate , & yes
    u can brake

    but u (also) can combine the two
    plus try
    to steer around the massive obstacle

    it's a tricky maneuver & u still may crash
    but , if u can awaken to see u'r self for what u really are
    awaken to realize that u are not a-train-on-a-track , with just two options

    u discover u are transfigured , & u realize
    u can steer a new course when the situation so demands it


    it's a clumsy phrase , "spirit-of-Gyd"
    but this (the above) is what Paul of Tarsus means by it

    u are a creature-of-spirit
    u have a piece of Gyd (not inside u , not outside of u
    but at u'r periphery) , u have a steering device

    Gyd joins u
    helps steer u on a new course
    when the situation so demands

    "steering" looks miraculous , but isn't
    (it only looks miraculous if u perceive u'r self as just
    a railroad-train on a set-track
    the 1-dimensional path , which
    Paul of Tarsus perceives Judaic theology to be)

    & to Paul of Tarsus , it is Jesus the Galilean who
    first tells humans that they are creatures-of-spirit
    Jesus the Galilean who first teaches humans how to steer


    this is "spiritual" , to me

    breaching my (innate) genetic-track
    learning to steer

  5. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    to steer

    (to be a partner of Gyd , not merely a servant)

  6. salishan

    salishan freesoul

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