Ascended Masters, Archangels and the Hierarchy

donnann said:
Ok well what do you believe?
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Lucifer is a Collective Name for Spiritual Freedom, it is about Gnosis, particularly Luciferian Gnosis.

Non-Theistic Luciferians, as myself, are not concerned about Abrahamic symbolism, they understand that archetypal images such as demons and angels or any form of god are merely symbols towards stirring the Psyche in order to help momentarily change the current objective universe.

Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan or ha-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning Adversary.
Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes who began referring to anyone not an Essene as the Shaiten. Still further on the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify Shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

If you are asking 'Do Luciferians Worship Satan' the answer is no.

We do not worship Satan nor even believe in Satan. The Adversary is a trans-cultural archetype which existed long before Christianity began in the form of Samael, Ahriman and the feminine aspect being Lilith.
 
Etu Malku said:
Lucifer is a Collective Name for Spiritual Freedom, it is about Gnosis, particularly Luciferian Gnosis.

Non-Theistic Luciferians, as myself, are not concerned about Abrahamic symbolism, they understand that archetypal images such as demons and angels or any form of god are merely symbols towards stirring the Psyche in order to help momentarily change the current objective universe.

Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan or ha-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning Adversary.
Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes who began referring to anyone not an Essene as the Shaiten. Still further on the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify Shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

If you are asking 'Do Luciferians Worship Satan' the answer is no.

We do not worship Satan nor even believe in Satan. The Adversary is a trans-cultural archetype which existed long before Christianity began in the form of Samael, Ahriman and the feminine aspect being Lilith.
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It means light or shining one. Lucifer does. Freedom from death and sickness ect if thats what your talking about well then I see your point. However I dont agree that heavenly beings do not exist. Just as humans exist as you do , so do angelic beings.
 
donnann said:
It means light or shining one. Lucifer does. Freedom from death and sickness ect if thats what your talking about well then I see your point. However I dont agree that heavenly beings do not exist. Just as humans exist as you do , so do angelic beings.
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Lucifer translates to 'Light Bearer'
Death and sickness is a part of life, no one is free from that.
What makes you believe there are heavenly beings?
 
Etu Malku said:
Lucifer translates to 'Bringer of Light'
Death and sickness is a part of life, no one is free from that.
What makes you believe there are heavenly beings?
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You would think I am a nut if I told you but I do know heavenly beings exist.
 
donnann said:
You would think I am a nut if I told you but I do know heavenly beings exist.
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You'd be surprised what I might think actually. If you've seen heavenly beings or something I am sure there is a logical explanation.

I practice a lot of ritual and summoning beings is a big part of that.
 
Etu Malku said:
You'd be surprised what I might think actually. If you've seen heavenly beings or something I am sure there is a logical explanation.

I practice a lot of ritual and summoning beings is a big part of that.
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I have had experiences all my life and have seen and experienced things without practiceing it, they just happen to me. Yes I have seen heavenly beings .
 
Etu Malku said:
You'd be surprised what I might think actually. If you've seen heavenly beings or something I am sure there is a logical explanation.

I practice a lot of ritual and summoning beings is a big part of that.
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I will give you an example let me see if you can give me a logical explanation:

I was going through some tough stuff. I kept looking up, saying I love you , making a motion with my fingers to my eyes and mouth. Some time after that I went to a church to talk to a priest. While I was waiting for the priest in the waiting room this huge perfect looking guy wearing an opus dei bishops outfit looking as if he had something else on underneath all of a sudden rushed in and did the same thing to me I had been doing prior to that. He pointed at his eyes while saying I then his mouth love then his heart you then to my heart. I could literally feel a spirit thing go from his heart to mine. In the mean time the secretary came in and asked him who he was there to see and appararently saw that he was an angelic being and she got scared and ran in the office and told the priest. THe big guy said a few other things to me which I dont remember. I then heard the priest on the phone in the next room speaking in italian and the only thing I understood him say was michael the archangeleous. The big guy after talking to me left rather quickly have not seen him since.I preceded to go in and talk to the priest on how angelic beings have gender and while I was inthere the priest had some kind of vision which looked like it scared him. Ok now where is the logical explanation for all of that. How did that big guy know of he gestures I was making when I was alone in my house , the same gestures he made to me. I was making those gestures in my house to michael the archangel when I was alone. If you can give me some logical explanation for that I am willing to listen. And yes I did see docs after that who told me I am nuts but I sure know that priest knows I am not crazy nor the secreatary who saw him.
 
donnann said:
I will give you an example let me see if you can give me a logical explanation:

I was going through some tough stuff. I kept looking up, saying I love you , making a motion with my fingers to my eyes and mouth. Some time after that I went to a church to talk to a priest. While I was waiting for the priest in the waiting room this huge perfect looking guy wearing an opus dei bishops outfit looking as if he had something else on underneath all of a sudden rushed in and did the same thing to me I had been doing prior to that. He pointed at his eyes while saying I then his mouth love then his heart you then to my heart. I could literally feel a spirit thing go from his heart to mine. In the mean time the secretary came in and asked him who he was there to see and appararently saw that he was an angelic being and she got scared and ran in the office and told the priest. THe big guy said a few other things to me which I dont remember. I then heard the priest on the phone in the next room speaking in italian and the only thing I understood him say was michael the archangeleous. The big guy after talking to me left rather quickly have not seen him since.I preceded to go in and talk to the priest on how angelic beings have gender and while I was inthere the priest had some kind of vision which looked like it scared him. Ok now where is the logical explanation for all of that. How did that big guy know of he gestures I was making when I was alone in my house , the same gestures he made to me. I was making those gestures in my house to michael the archangel when I was alone. If you can give me some logical explanation for that I am willing to listen. And yes I did see docs after that who told me I am nuts but I sure know that priest knows I am not crazy nor the secreatary who saw him.
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You were right . . . I think your nuts :p
 
donnann said:
Thats alright I think I am nuts too.
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I go through an incredibly long process of altering my state of consciousness when I am in ritual.
There have been plenty of times I think I've seen something, I've attached certain stigmas to coincidences, been a part of mass hysteria. The thing is that I eventually realize it is all in my subjective universe, I make it happen, I Will it to take place . . . but I am not deluded by it.
 
Etu Malku said:
I go through an incredibly long process of altering my state of consciousness when I am in ritual.
There have been plenty of times I think I've seen something, I've attached certain stigmas to coincidences, been a part of mass hysteria. The thing is that I eventually realize it is all in my subjective universe, I make it happen, I Will it to take place . . . but I am not deluded by it.
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I am not deluded just confused. I dont understand that situation fully. I was going through some reallly rough times at the time it happened so maybe it was some kind of comfort amidst the troubled times. We all need comfort when we are facing troubles. At least I didnt see anything bad thats a comfort.
 
donnann said:
I am not deluded just confused. I dont understand that situation fully. I was going through some reallly rough times at the time it happened so maybe it was some kind of comfort amidst the troubled times. We all need comfort when we are facing troubles. At least I didnt see anything bad thats a comfort.
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I'm using 'deluded' not in a derogatory way, sorry if it came off that way.
Your situation to me seems to be a common case of mass hysteria (again not madness or derogatory) everything in your life leading up to your group 'experience' worked in the sense that it enabled and actually fed into your experience.

As a Ritualist I create the same psychodrama through brain entrainment (mantra, sound recordings, etc.), through both sensory deprivation and overload, and other mind altering techniques for days or in some cases weeks before the actual Ritual.

Religion and religious experience serves two purposes, it creates a sense of community and it 'comforts'.
 
Etu Malku said:
I'm using 'deluded' not in a derogatory way, sorry if it came off that way.
Your situation to me seems to be a common case of mass hysteria (again not madness or derogatory) everything in your life leading up to your group 'experience' worked in the sense that it enabled and actually fed into your experience.

As a Ritualist I create the same psychodrama through brain entrainment (mantra, sound recordings, etc.), through both sensory deprivation and overload, and other mind altering techniques for days or in some cases weeks before the actual Ritual.

Religion and religious experience serves two purposes, it creates a sense of community and it 'comforts'.
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So have you ever seen anything really weird?
 
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