whats wrong with Paganism ?

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both islam and Christianity pretty much despise Paganism.

Now why is that ?


it seems quite nice and colourful be me.
 
both islam and Christianity pretty much despise Paganism.

Now why is that ?


it seems quite nice and colourful be me.

As far as Christianity and Paganism is concerned, it could be all the bad blood/history between them. You know, throwing the Christians to the lions for sport, and the later "witch hunts" by the so-called Christian organization.
 
As far as Christianity and Paganism is concerned, it could be all the bad blood/history between them. You know, throwing the Christians to the lions for sport, and the later "witch hunts" by the so-called Christian organization.

yeah could be that.
 
must say that i find Paganism in the form of Wicca really fascinating my fundamentalist brethren would probably have me burned at the stake :rolleyes:
 
It is my understanding that Wicca is relatively new...

Many of the pagans I know seem to disassociate from it. Being more of a panentheistic Christian than literal theism.... I see G!d in everything not as a being.... although I find an acceptance to various forms of paganism, my church as well shies away. We have an interfaith service every year and the board backs away from inviting a pagan or wiccan speaker, (although native american, african traditiional, shintoism....is accepted) all quite confusing to me.
 
As far as Christianity and Paganism is concerned, it could be all the bad blood/history between them. You know, throwing the Christians to the lions for sport, and the later "witch hunts" by the so-called Christian organization.

One problem is that the Roman Empire after forcing Christianity on its population, burned many records and made up many lies about the transition.

Rome tradition was the most tolerant of multiple religions. They could not care if some group invented another god to their already numerous pantheon. Persecution for simple failure to worship the Emperor seems like bollocks to me. Some may have been executed, but there is no proof of widespread persecution prior to 393 CE. Most executions were for political crimes, insurrection, and common crime such as theft. Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (penalty for treason or insurrection) with the sign "Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews." He was not criticised for claiming to be a god, which he never did claim.

Starting in 393 CE, Christianity had been in power over the Empire. Pagans were persecuted, temples closed or converted into Churches, holy springs desecrated, oracles were executed, and the Great Library of Alexandria was sacked by fanatical monks on orders of Saint Cyril. Hypatia the great Pagan Scientist and Philosopher taught the Greek science that differed from Jewish mythology. She was brutally murdered in a gruesome manner by Catholic monks on the orders of Bishop (SAINT) Cyril of Alexandria, in 412 CE.

Under Emperor Theodosius II, a widespread persecution and killing of Pagans as well as members of older Christian Sects who did not convert to Athanasianism. The number of Pagans, Jesus followers, Donatists, Arians, and Old Christians was likely in the millions. However, the Trinitarian Christian Empire destroyed all of the records as well as most of the gospels that it banned from the Bible. Many Pagans of course, and Old Christians converted out of fear for their lives. Others resisted, fled to the safety of Persia, the German Kingdoms, or recently freed Britain.

Paganism then and today was nowhere near as violent, hate filled, and genocidal as Trinitarian Christianity from 393 CE to the late Renaissance, and to some extent in America, a de facto Christian Theocracy.

Modern Pagans whom I have met along the Mersey River of England seem quite kind, friendly, generous, and really care about the Natural World. I love all Nature Religions. Christianity is an Anti-Nature Cult.

Wicca is a benign, nature loving faith, which I admire. It is a positive religion. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are NEGATIVE RELIGIONS.

Neo-Pagans, Wiccans, Old Celtic Pagans, Native American Nature religions all impress me with their positive attitudes. I am not a believer but I consider some religions to be hateful and evil (Catholicism and American Evangelism.) I abhor the pain and suffering caused by Catholicism and Protestantism.

Unfortunately, Trinitarianism successfully erased the convicting evidence of their genocides, religious wars, torture, execution of pagans, scientists, and heretics, and torture/execution of innocent women on the lie of witchcraft.

You should ask what is wrong with Christianity. What is clear about what we call Christianity has nothing to do with the moral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Christians have done things condemned by Jesus.

If Jesus, the real man, was brought back, he would be condemned and rejected as a political candidate by the Tea Party Republicans. Even the Democrats would not let him run because of his certain defeat in modern America.

Amergin
 
What is clear about what we call Christianity has nothing to do with the moral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
And you know this how? (since there exists NO records of the Nazarene's existence and NO writings from Him either.
 
both islam and Christianity pretty much despise Paganism.
Now why is that ?
Look at the word. Pagan derives from the same idea as 'heathen', and could be referred to as 'bumpkin'. As paganism is an umbrella term, you'd have to investigate individual aspects or instances, but generally, they find it somewhat naive ... but 'despise'? I think that's over-stating the case.

God bless,

Thomas
 
I don't think you were around back then. :p

All the people who did all this past religious persecution are long dead and buried.


yes but has this persecution finished ?

members from my old church went to the site of the coming Olympics to pray against due to the pagan origins of the Olympics and they went to pray against a pagan shop that opened up locally.
 
Look at the word. Pagan derives from the same idea as 'heathen', and could be referred to as 'bumpkin'. As paganism is an umbrella term, you'd have to investigate individual aspects or instances, but generally, they find it somewhat naive ... but 'despise'? I think that's over-stating the case.

God bless,

Thomas
That's what I was thinkin.....

Funny now how we accept some 'paganism' but not others....

It is easier for those who have cut and dry beliefs....interesting.
 
See the problem is with the bagage (memes and ideologies) that enter into the conversation. Only a minority of those who profess and Abrahamic Faith really react as hatefully as described here (especially if one adds the Bahai and Sikh and generally tolerqant groups). Just like only a minority of Neopagans or Wiccans believe in some on-going persecution.

No one holds a gun to a contemporary Christian's head and says "you must beliieve in the intolerant faith of the Burning Times and the Rhineland Massacres". No one chains a Jew up and beats him or her to drive home "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". And no one holds a sword to the throat of a Muslim (or related faith) and told to "kill those in shirk (traditional polytheism of Arabia)".

And we moderns go a little overboard in calling down out modern memes of Christianity has no realtionship to the moral teachings of Jesus or we have no words of Jesus or Trinitarian Christianity is the source of all evil. The truth (as always) probably lays outside of our ideas about the truth.
 
yes but has this persecution finished ?
Well, according to some US statistics, more Christians were killed since the start of the 20th century than in the 2000 previously, although these stats are God bless

Thomas
 
Look at the word. Pagan derives from the same idea as 'heathen', and could be referred to as 'bumpkin'. As paganism is an umbrella term, you'd have to investigate individual aspects or instances, but generally, they find it somewhat naive ... but 'despise'? I think that's over-stating the case.

God bless,

Thomas
Pagan comes from Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager.

As Christianity spread into Antioch, Alexandria, Carthage, Corinth, and Rome the word for "country dweller" became synonymous with someone who was "not a Christian," giving rise to the modern meaning of "pagan."

Heathen arose later from an interpretation of paganus as denoting a person who was outside a particular group or community.

There is no evidence that the term paganism was in use in English before the 17th century. The earliest citing is from Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776): "The divisions of Christianity suspended the ruin of Paganism."

Modern Paganism is usually used as a blanket term for the many re-constructionist religions and belief systems.
 
Funny now how we accept some 'paganism' but not others...
Common sense really, if you think about it. Some 'pagan' religions were quite enlightened, some quite barbaric, and some were enlightened and barbaric in equal measure.

Pagan is too broad a brush (like 'gnostic'). Plato was a pagan, and so was his philosophy (although hardly 'bumpkin'), yet he it was embraced by the Christians, nearly all the Fathers were Platonists ...

The more enlightened in every tradition look for truth everywhere, and see aspects of truth in everything. Many thought Plato must have read Moses. And then there's Aristotle, whose writings survive largely thanks to Moslem scholars. And Stoicism ... some thought Paul and Seneca were the same person, their writings so in tune. On the other hand, the 2nd century gnostic movements were excoriated by everyone for their flakey pick-n-mix philosophies ...

It is easier for those who have cut and dry beliefs....interesting.
You said it :eek: but it takes all sorts ... my father-in-law is a pagan, a shaman, in fact, God bless 'im! Any mention of the 'C' word sends him into apoplexy! Out comes all the old nonsense, "9 million witches ..." etc., etc.

God bless,

Thomas
 
Well, according to some US statistics, more Christians were killed since the start of the 20th century than in the 2000 previously, although these stats are God bless

Thomas
Maybe....but are you attempting to say the majority of those were persecuted???

Those Christians died going to war....often against other Christians!!!

I'm missing your point completely.

And of course it is more...it will always be more....

more in numbers....not more as in a percentage of the number of people or Christians...

We've got how many people on the planet now??

This is like how the weather channel touts that the latest hurricane is the most costly ever....as if they've never heard of inflation.
 
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