The Power That Prayer Does Not Have

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Ben Masada, Sep 22, 2012.

  1. Ben Masada

    Ben Masada New Member

    Oct 21, 2011
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    This might prove to be a time bomb, considering that approximately 95% of theists won't agree with me. Prayers cannot make God change His mind, that's the point. I mean, requesting prayers. That's not simply my opinion but my understanding of Numbers 23:19 in the Torah, where we have that God is not like a man to change His mind.

    Prayer, by definition, if we seriously think it through, is an attempt to make God change His mind. I mean, as far as requesting prayers are concerned. When we pray about something that is missing in our lives, whether in the health sector or something similar, we are simply trying to make God change His mind from the state of ignoring our condition or of being unaware of it into becoming reminded of something that has gone wrong with creation.

    Now, allow me to bring into your attention that this thread is not meant to vandalize with the building blocks of faith throughout generations of mankind's existence on earth. But if we are to pray for another who is ill, for instance, it might be effective, but we must let him or her know that we are doing so; otherwise, nothing will happen. Even if we forget it or change our mind, it will be good for both the praying agent and the one we are praying for.

    In conclusion, there are three different kinds of prayers: Requesting prayers, thanksgiving prayers, and song prayers. Most Jewish prayers are made by way of songs. But both thanksgiving and song prayers are very salutary. The only problem is with requesting prayers, which implies the pretense to change God's mind. This only causes anxiety. Thanksgiving prayers are good to preserve a happy spiritual mood; and song prayers contribute to elate one's heart into a condition of happiness. The Psalms are of the song kind. Hence, at the rivers of Babylon, when asked to sing, the Jews would decline on the basis that they could not sing songs of Zion in a foreign land. (Psam 137)

  2. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercur├Žn

    Sep 1, 2011
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    Prayer has become a "lost" magical art.
    It has become rote recitations or simple wish-making.

    Prayer originally was a process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energy, properly grounded to the physical through proper vocalization.

    The spoken Word became in essence praying, this was first understood by the ancient Egyptians in the way of Affirmations and made manifest in (Heka) vibrational magic. Efforts were made to align sound with the principles of a cosmic order (natural ordering of the universe) which perhaps could be seen as a LOGOS, the dialog with that part of your Self that has the ability to create any condition you need or desire.

    The invocation within a prayer unites our meditative state of consciousness with the power of the Word and our innate force of Will.
  3. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

    Jul 13, 2011
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    Didn't Moses' prayer cause God to change his mind in Exodus 32:9-14 ? That's how I read that scripture anyway... Ben, if you don't think prayer can cause God to change his mind, what's your interpretation of Exodus 32:14 ?

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