King James was gay?

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How did I never hear this before?

And he was the same as US bible thumping gay bashing politicians...no pardons for sodomy, ordering judges maximum punishment, all the while knighting his own lovers!

. I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here, assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George.
 
How did I never hear this before?

And he was the same as US bible thumping gay bashing politicians...no pardons for sodomy, ordering judges maximum punishment, all the while knighting his own lovers!

Haven’t read it but there’s a book on this called King James and the History of Homosexuality by Michael Young that a colleague recommended.
 
I am personally cautious of using the term 'gay' retro-historically because it's a definition very much defined by the sociopolitics of our times, and I'd welcome the input from someone versed in the sexual sociopolitical outlook of his time.

Similarly I think all the terms for the varieties of gender orientation rather indicate the prevalence of increasingly narrow and closely-defined categorisation that obscures the more fluid and organic reality.

I'm not saying James was not homosexual, and while the man-woman thing was the biblical norm, he was a member of the English Aristocracy, and good grief, that outmoded institution the British Public School has been formative in the practice of buggering boys — both literally and figuratively — for centuries! James I? I have heard a strongly-endorsed rumour that the practice continues in the current royal family, and in our media-saturated age, one might ask why you've never heard this before either ... and the whole system is structured to be elitist, misogynistic, blah, blah, blah.

... and did anyone ever order pardons for sodomy? Or tell judges to lighten their sentencing? I'm not sure James was in any way different?

(In the 17th century, I recall a sociologist saying, there were more 'gay' brothels in Mayfair, a small area of the West End of London, than there are operating in London as a whole today.)

Look at the trial of Oscar Wilde. It was not so much about what he did, but that he did it flagrantly. before then, a regular feature in the Illustrated London News was on British army uniforms, and there would be a full page illustration of officers (obviously) in the dress of their regiments, often walking arm-in-arm and if not gay, then certainly looking very camp. It was as a direct result of the OW scandal that this stopped overnight, and that any show of affection between men became seen as 'bad form' and socially unacceptable. The trial probably did much to set the tone of the gender debate as it stands today.
 
Dang interesting and enlightening perspective! Having grown up in prudish america (where we hippie leaning types like to blame the Puritans) we are just becoming enlightened to that which you discuss so lightly.

As to OW yup it appears in polite society we want to keep our norms aligned... You can be homosexual ...maybe...if you don't talk about it, or display it in public. Liberace...well he was just a flamboyant entertainer...yeah that's the ticket.
 
Liberace...well he was just a flamboyant entertainer...yeah that's the ticket.
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I know! I can remember sitting with my folks watching Liberace on Sunday night prime time tv. And exactly that, he was an entertainer! Did people think he came offstage, put on a sensible suit, and went home to the wife and kids?
 
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