Proofing god by the ultimae sacrifice?

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Bulletcatcher, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Bulletcatcher

    Bulletcatcher New Member

    Dec 6, 2019
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    The universe, or at least the part we experience, seems to be amoral: it kills the good and the evil alike.

    But are humans minds really amoral? Because if they are not, evolution is not or at least not the only process that formed their minds ...

    Evolution can only explain an amoral form of goodness, an opportunistic form of building social groups and proscoial behaviour against and to the DISADVANTAGE other groups and species (problem of life and entrophy in closed systems). One proofen case of non-amoral, non-opportunistic behaviour would hence be sufficient to proof evolution wrong.

    Now some behaviours like ultimate self-sacrifice seem to qualify as such proof. Suicide does qualify as potential proof too (Because it could be simply be caused by a realistic assessment that the world and oneself is to evil to make life worth living. For this one needs an internal standard above evolution what is a worthy life and how one should be).

    Suicide is a conetntious subject so let's take the route over the ultimate sacrifice for others:
    Sciene makes a lot of bla bla of how this should work. It all boils down to make true altruistic behaviour some kind of mental error, where the behaviour that is extrapolated from evolutionary biology is set as standard as what is "mentally healthy". In short this is circular reasoning and hence a scientifically unfalsifiable claim.

    Now I have not proofed god, I just proofed that counterclaims explaining aways the ultimate sacrifice do not even fulfill the criterias for a testable hypothesis.

    It hence remains up to your choice and choose wisely: In an evolutionary and hence amoral version of this reality your life would have no value for no one but yourself. Because all the love your receive even from relatives is opportunistic.
  2. SæEagle

    SæEagle TreshroomInvertispec!GreentheGarden;WhatAssociate?

    Jul 5, 2020
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    Amoralism can be debated in the statement of
    ... of Which is true; but self preservation is necessary of Which the individual according to the sense of the ultimate sacrifice (ie. through the Rendition of Christ) comes closes in the definition to lay down his life for one's friends. Is as associate to the knowledge that in pure one may do so; but that it is also self assuring that the consent to which one is constructed in; is in the life layed down, and thus to be taken up again by oneself. As the scriptures bear witness off; so Sacrifice and ultimate, is a matter of condition of which one still by the atman causes self preservation into knowledge of which it causes.
    So one can not say that their is no self sacrifice or ultimate, when one goes by the claim 'opportunistic' in which all do; but some tain to associate no barrier to the lower regions of the conscience of Which this barrier of self preservation is atone to, so becoming a pure sacrifice Vs the latter, a knowledgeable sacrifice; of one doing it by sheer interstellar of faith; and the other of sense of observation and perseverance. I Conclude that all must attain to both of them; one of the younger age wherein innocence is still active; and that of the ladder of them who were OF adult, to construct it within the knowledge of the basis of truth; ie the relevance of Death, or the Cost of it depending on the ability and purchase of death. Or Pain.

    Whereas i don't consider Suicide to be claim of sacrifice; it sure is an intent to disproof Evil in the entity to be of an inappropriate manner to Consume; Whereas it is a Cry for help; it is more an visualization of evil and its entity rather then a sacrifice; Ultimate, but in the brief of reality, it is a dissection of what Form Evil can attain and theirfore is seen as such plausible to the content of the OP's Write.

    Life is amoral because of the lack of vision. That we learn in the duration of living life. Some by never facing the Reality of it; (life) outside of their Life; never come to the grobe Sense of Righteousness and thusby consider themselves by others of themselves as amoral. The Definition tho is seen by the virtual Entity of one's Life Span's Environment thus can not be justified or rebutted seen that the Cosmos Delegates one's Life into What HeriSpects one is seen in the Living of Carnation in their Lives. So we Can Conclude that them who Close their eyes shut are thus Preserved in their reality able to sacrifice in their ultimate if they thus do; but in the grobe scale of sacrifice is necessary a Conviction Which only comes by the Grace of God of Which only Those who Walk against the Karma of their evolutionary reincarnated Live's as a presence in their estate of their conduct to the dictated delegated Form of Life. So Whereas some are Secured from Opening their eyes, Some by Awakening Seek to Gather their thought by almost prone by Of life altering experiences or Witnessed of miraculous Moments come to the knowledge of What G-d Is and What of God they are to condone themselves into in their lifetimes as a Notion to the Conviction and approval in association with the Good. Some theirfore being amoral through the worldly conduct, never cease in their nature to wish for Good unless it is by the Moral Characteristics of Greed and Power, to Associate no moral Code into their Live; Albeit which, their conscience Might Speak to them OF Differ. Like the Possibility to Kill the Ego, one Also May Kill the Hearing of the Voice of conscience; Which then detained, is to conviction of Evil. Through this Definition, the Prior of the Sense of Sacrifice can not be anulled in SEEN that them who are amoral can still sacrifice, ultimate; the conduct of Which them who were once amoral can do good and turn towards the Light of which is in Christ; towards their inner self in Salvation; By the conduct towards the Atman of their जीव instated. These Parameter Don't Theirfore conclude that amoralism is a binding contract; but an ever persevering Conduct towards Which the Light of G-d is ever in this Universal Sense of Universe in Call (In Consideration) towards the Darkness in Dim Places of the Viles of the Serpent. Kundalini must theirfore be Activated for Ego to Numb and which; is the only Sense of True Enlightenment IE. Theirby a True Root of Good in the Alternation towards AGAINST the tree that bears evil Fruit's. According to (Mattai 7:18) one is Considered Via Conscience That Sacrifice of the Ultimate is Conducted; But be Not Deceived, Ye; He who has more, more will be Required; and Him Who has Little, Even that Will be taken from Him.

    The World is Ruthless, in Which it Desires it's Take (Luqa 12:48). But Even in the Consession of the World, it is Evolutionary to Learn of the Bad Seen that their is but one End to Bad; But a Myriad Unlimited Form of Good; The happy End. So Whereas all Wish to Desire the Ultimate Sacrifice in Some Sense, Not all Due it Do to the Most Utmost, Purity of the Soul of Which the Sincerity of the heart come's into Place; For Which, their is but one conduct through; That one must be pure in Heart for they shall see God. (Matthew 5:8)
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