Babylonian treasures damaged by coalition troops

Pretty shocking news - - - but I thought that the ruins were some distance from the outskirts of Baghdad, and that Babylon was little more than earthworks and digs??
 
Well I would imagine the site is not historically correct as we here in the media, however it might well be, or for sure it will be part of Babylon. However Babylon Archeology is what they destroyed regardless.

It makes you wonder if it was destroyed on purpose because it’s a historical trade mark to destroy races heritage and history when you invade. Bring on Americanization...

Surely they would and could have been more careful. That’s world heritage!! The Greeks famously captured Babylon, it was the most beautiful city in the world at the time, it was like New York of the Ancient world.
 
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Well I would imagine the site is not historically correct as we here in the media, however it might well be, or for sure it will be part of Babylon. However Babylon Archeology is what they destroyed regardless.

It makes you wonder if it was destroyed on purpose because it’s a historical trade mark to destroy races heritage and history when you invade. Bring on Americanization...

Surely they would and could have been more careful. That’s world heritage!! The Greeks famously captured Babylon, it was the most beautiful city in the world at the time, it was like New York of the Ancient world.
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My word, If find it awfully ironic that this "flash" news suddenly pops up about the "lead feet" of the coalition, when two years ago natives deliberately "plundered" digs, sites and museums, resulting in "millions upon millions" of dollars and artifacts of priceless antiquity just "disappearing" by what, native thieves? Where is the uproar in that?

I guess the Germans and Japanese of WWII should by rights have screamed the same foul. Perhaps they weren't as smart as the middle easterners, or perhaps, the western media?

Things that make you go hmmm.

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So explain to me how the US troops "accidentally" damaged the stuff? What the Iraqis do and what the US troops are 2 totally different things. You’re taking about hungry and occupied people who were driven to it compared to invaders who know better with historical sense and millions of dollars of technology who should have been prepared to watch the stuff as there ethical responsibility by being the invader. At least the Germans and Japanese had a sense of history, espcially the Nazi Germans were infactuated with Ancient Romans and Greeks and other European culture.

Bring on Americanization. I wonder how long it will be untill Mc donalds opens in Iraq of which 5% of franchise earnings go to Mc donalds and then the US government takes a percentage from that for tax which applys to all franchise and most the international ones are from the US, making money from the other countries with there global brands funding more wars. We've already got Microsoft and other massive US companies in there, Stock holders from all walks of life including the people of Chrisitian religion and Judaism religion being company owners and they just opened up a new market in Iraq, paid for by Iraqi OIL, a fine line between stolen isn't there now? :) I'am too a western Christian so I put myself down.

People are ignorant and blind.
 
I wouldn't put it down to maliciousness - I would have though that old "pagan" cities would have little meaning for modern Iraqi Muslims, excepting as a means of tourist income. Destroying the statues of Saddam was the intentional attack on Iraqi history, but to damage ancient archaeological sites I would have thought more due to them being low on the US military priorities.

Here in Britain we're pretty brutal with our own archaeological heritage - the ancient sites around my current area have pretty much all been built over. The nearest Roman villa was ripped apart by quarrying. Possibly shows the general contempt archaeology has to put up with.
 
I'm sure nothing as significant as Babylon. Babylon would rank somewhere in the top 10 world heretage sites.
 
When the whole of Greece was under the Ottoman Empire the flipping Turks destroyed the Parthenon.. Apparently it was an accident, they used it as an arms storage place and they "accidentally blew up" Barbaric idiots.. The Parthenon is the Number 2 human archaeological heritage site of the world after the Pyramids then its Babylon and then probably the Colosseum in Rome this my personal view, however I believe Babylon is more important then the Parthenon sometimes.. These things DO NOT happen by Mistake!! The Ottoman empire was very jealous of Greek and Hellenic heritage and culture that they even wiped out a lot of Greek archaeology in western Turkey, they tried to play down that western Turkey was an Ancient Greek settlement.. They came from the Far East and kicked us out lol. The last Greeks of western Turkey were those of Smyrna, they slaughtered them and took the Greek settlement that is located on the coast and as the Greeks were running into the sea to save them selves, the Greeks seen royal navy ships looking down upon them and 3 American destroyers looked on too... This was in 1912 to 1922..



http://www.greecetravel.com/smyrna/

You can't say that even till this present day there is anti Hellenism in the media and Western Europe. And now they are further trying to screw the Greeks in Cyprus with a so called peace settlement. Basically we want both sovereign UK bases out of Cyprus and we want Turkish troops that occupy northern Cyprus out and to live peacefully with our Turkish Cypriot friends once again.
 
My Great Grandfather Michael lost his wife and 2 daughters in Smyrna, he was a priest and after church he went home and the city was being looted and invade. He believes they where shipped off to Turkey and converted. He managed to escape because priests were highly targeted for the execution. He dressed as a lady and spoke Turkish until finally reaching main land Greece :( .... Sad sad stories and the Jews think they had it bad.. More Greeks have died by the Turkish hands yet we get no international recognition.
 
Indeed, sad stories - but let's try and keep the discussions on topic, please. :)
 
Which is, Turkey was used by the USA as a buffer zone for Russia from getting into the oil wealth countries :) At the expense of the Greeks, Iraqis and Kurdistan.. Turkey is there friend, Israel is there friend.. Muslims are the enemies, Kurds are barbaric, and Greeks won't pull off the Olympics on times.. Greeks don't want peace in Cyprus ect ect... Turkish Cypriots were awarded 3 billion in compensation by the USA for the Greek Cypriot no vote.. Whn is anyone going to compensate the Greeks for Turkeys and UK actions? We lose half a country and and many lives.. The Turkish Cypriots even thought Turkish troops with us!

These people have lost there heritage and archaeology. Israel was also created for this purpose of keeping Russian domination low in the middle east..

Brian politics is a game of chess.. and you know what, this is nothing the Macedonias or Romes never did. Good luck to them, however, its the people that suffer from both sides. Poor soliders sent to war to fight for freedom.. The Freedome they are going to lose fighting and dieing for the old men with stocks. Show me a weapon of mass destruction... Just show me one!
 
Indeed, a game of chess - Turkey provided a clear military advantage, being on the borders of Russia - and the Russian oil supplies at the Caspian Sea.

But the Cyrpus issue - you point out that the Cypriots were happy to murder British, but that was okay; and even decades after partial invasion by Turkey, the Cypriots have no intention of making piece with Turks on their soil.

Somehow it makes Cyprus seem a little too much related to Corsica and Sardinia. :)

But if we get back to the original thread issue - did the US deliberately set out to destroy Iraqi national monuments? Not really - the US has been pretty insistent on setting up the Iraqi people above themselves from the beginning - the US military as a tool for allowing room for democracy.

Now, if the US were planning to install an American as head of the Iraqi people, and the Iraqi people were made to swear allegianceto the American Flag - then perhaps there would be room for some psychological conditioning by destroying a few points of national interest (as they did to Saddam's era by removing his statues in public view).

But that isn't what is happening. More to the point, as was raised, Iraqi's were already looting a number of archaeological sites - Ancient Artifacts Looted.

So did the US intentional damage some archaeological sites? It's hard to see that argument being borne out.
 
But the Cyrpus issue - you point out that the Cypriots were happy to murder British, but that was okay; and even decades after partial invasion by Turkey, the Cypriots have no intention of making piece with Turks on their soil.
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Already looking at this in the wrong state of mind.. Cypriots were not happy to murder anyone, as a matter of fact, many of the war heros also suffered from depression as would any person. There is no such thing as a terrorist in his ethnic country towards a foreign invader, reagardles what the British called them, they were war hero's. The British used to hang and torture the Greek Cypriots. Its not even denied by the UK, no conpsiracy it was practised a lot within the British empire.

Also the British had no reason to be in Cyprus other then the location of the Island and the resources.. The Greek Cypriots were fully democratic peaceful and friendly people with a good government structure relating to Greece. :)
After the British came, we suddenly found ourselves arguing with the Turks and wanted to unite Cyprus politically with Greece can't be too much of a coincidence. The used to kill Turks and blame it on the Greeks.. Seriously in them days it was a bad sabotage everyone knew what they were up to, you should read a book called Cyprus conspiracy.

But if we get back to the original thread issue - did the US deliberately set out to destroy Iraqi national monuments? Not really - the US has been pretty insistent on setting up the Iraqi people above themselves from the beginning - the US military as a tool for allowing room for democracy.
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That’s what the Turks said about the Parthenon.. Makes you wonder. Also I'm afraid for this no one really knows the true answer. But even Alexander the great used to destroy Persian heritage, as did the Persians to the Greeks. History shows that destruction of heritage is part of history and an intentional one. Do you know what the Romans did to the Goths?

Now, if the US were planning to install an American as head of the Iraqi people, and the Iraqi people were made to swear allegianceto the American Flag - then perhaps there would be room for some psychological conditioning by destroying a few points of national interest (as they did to Saddam's era by removing his statues in public view).
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Just because an American isn't head of the Iraqi people doesn't mean the Americans are not ruling.. When will the american troops leave Iraq? And 40% of the Iraqi people will not vote but we all know that this figure is wrong its the other way round, 60% of Iraqis that will not vote. So the 40% the minority that you US are protecting they are the ones which will vote for the leader in the US interests due to a bit of US political work. :)

But that isn't what is happening. More to the point, as was raised, Iraqi's were already looting a number of archaeological sites - Ancient Artifacts Looted.
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As long as the Iraqis are looting them the ethnic owners the people that are in desparation and they are not being destroyed are they now?.
 
Something unrelated and I forgot to mention, the British used to hang and torture Greek Cypriots now this was at a time when torture and capital punishment was not practised in the United Kingdom, The Greek Cypriots have preserved the place where the British used to hang and torture the war hero’s kind of like a memorial place. But what you will find very interesting is the Greek war hero’s that were lucky enough to simply be thrown in jail most of them used to be shipped to the United Kingdom and many found themselves locked up with Irish people of the IRA. Ireland and the IRA has had negative media, but if Irish people suddenly came in and occupied the Cumbria district of England and had done so for a 100 years successfully, I wonder if all people of England would sit down and say, fair enough, an other ethnic race can keep and govern my people's and ancestors land. :)
 
Funnily enough, England has been plenty invaded by other ethnic groups. :)

In fact, to be "English" pretty much means "bunch of Europeans who got stuck on an Island". :)

We have the Celts (Alps), Romans (Italy), Saxons (Low Counties), Vikings (Scandanavia), Normans (French)...

2,500 years of being invaded. :)

I figure Cyprus is similar? Only with a richer variety - Phoenicians, Syrians, Crusaders, Turks, Carthaginians...with the English simply as the last of a long line of administrators?
 
Cyprus sure enough has had a long history of settlement and invaders. But the Island was dominated by Greeks for literally many thousands of one ethnic and cultural back ground root.. Cyprus did have Jewish settlements, Italians settlements and Turkish settlements and even African settlements at one point. However, they ever interbreed with the Greeks simply because many times they drove them out or ghettoised them. The Greeks in Cyprus unlike the people of England had strong link with there history and ethnical roots, they knew who and where they came from that is why settlers were racially outcast and to be frank the Greek Cypriots often drove them out. The only surnames Greek Cypriots share are Italian, few Greek Cypriots with Italian surnames from Italian merchants which looked and shared similar views to the Greeks in Cyprus. In fact you will find that the south part of Italy from Rome downwards, Spanish, the Portuguese, Greece and Cyprus all share the same genes, from the Minoans which originated from Crete and Cyprus. That’s why the Spanish symbol is the bull, they got that off the Minoans. Northern Europeans and southern Europeans are like totally different breeds of people. I know this for a fact culturally and mentally they are like fire and water. Not many countries in Northern Europe say "Kali orexi" = "Good appetite" I think the French are the limit. Greeks also colonized the south of France, Marcelle was built by the Greeks, so was Rome and Venice and many cites in the Mediterranean Sea. Greek philosophers often said Greeks around the Mediterranean are like frogs in a pond.

The one mistake the British did when they went to Cyprus was underestimate the people there, Greek Cypriots have had a long history of defending the Island its engraved in there DNA, like many Greeks in the Islands, its not barbaric but defensive. I know this true with the Cretean especially :D
 
and you know what, Greek Cypriots and Cretans both hate the Athenians and main lands Greeks, we class them as two face. Exactly like the Ancient times. My parents have both told me to be wary of main land Greeks especially the Athenians.. Thing is we still love each other as brothers. This tradition of Greek, Greek hate and love is something going on today till from thosands of years ago.

 
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